Cardio Before Lifting? Cardio After Lifting? Or Both?

**MACKATTACK** · 05-12-2009, 07:49 PM

So I know alot of people have a different opinion on this topic so I was wondering what people thought. I wanted to optimize fat loss. I know that is done by low intensity cardio and keeping your heart rate down, but which type of cardio is the best you think?

i have been mixing it up lately doing some before and after and then just after or all before. Basically I do a total of 40mins of cardio everyday.

I usualy prefer to do it all after lifting since I get the most out of my lifting.

So what do you guys prefer or what have you heard in relation????

**MuscleScience** · 05-12-2009, 08:36 PM

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**MuscleScience** · 05-12-2009, 08:37 PM

Oh did I mention after!

**jbm** · 05-12-2009, 08:38 PM

Same here! AFTER....

**eatrainrest** · 05-12-2009, 08:41 PM

5-10 min low intensity warmup

than cardio....

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**spywizard** · 05-12-2009, 09:31 PM

and the reason is...

if you cardio before resistance training the glycogen that is stored in the liver and the muscle will not be there..

after, we hope that all the glycogen has been used from the liver and muscle, and cardio at 50% of max.. use a heart monitor to ensure..

if you go over 50% you will start to burn muscle... so stay slow, and stay lean, it will use stored fat as energy...20-30 minutes..

**eatrainrest** · 05-12-2009, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by spywizard

and the reason is...

if you cardio before resistance training the glycogen that is stored in the liver and the muscle will not be there..

after, we hope that all the glycogen has been used from the liver and muscle, and cardio at 50% of max.. use a heart monitor to ensure..

if you go over 50% you will start to burn muscle... so stay slow, and stay lean, it will use stored fat as energy...20-30 minutes..

you mean 70% HR spy, that is about the cut off line between aerobic and anaerobic cardio training

**spywizard** · 05-12-2009, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by eatrainrest

you mean 70% HR spy, that is about the cut off line between aerobic and anaerobic cardio training

nope, i advised that before the workshop i completed this past weekend..

current advice, at least from the speaker that was providing the workshop was 50%.. post workout.. 70% in the am on an empty stomach.. but hey, he currently competes and is 42...

***T-MOS*** · 05-12-2009, 10:52 PM

If someone didn't mention it yet.....

AFTER

**MuscleScience** · 05-12-2009, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by spywizard

nope, i advised that before the workshop i completed this past weekend..

current advice, at least from the speaker that was providing the workshop was 50%.. post workout.. 70% in the am on an empty stomach.. but hey, he currently competes and is 42...

You know I have three different exercise prescription books in my personal collection and all three say different things on this subject. I started splitting the difference between them and advice 55-65% of MHR....LOL

**Reed** · 05-12-2009, 11:23 PM

after

**TRT,MAN** · 05-12-2009, 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by eatrainrest

5-10 min low intensity warmup

than cardio....

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i agree, if you do before its gonna screw up you work out. you will feel all burned ot, then wont lift as hard. but at the same time 10minutes to get the blood flowing before work out is good.

**eatrainrest** · 05-12-2009, 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleScience

You know I have three different exercise prescription books in my personal collection and all three say different things on this subject. I started splitting the difference between them and advice 55-65% of MHR....LOL

lol yep i stay right at 60-65%, thats my recommended range and i dont want to ride up the ass of anaerobics so i play it safe...as i think 50% too low.

**eatrainrest** · 05-12-2009, 11:57 PM

DID SOMEBODY SAY AFTEr?

**jbm** · 05-13-2009, 03:53 AM

After!!!!

**collar** · 05-13-2009, 05:10 AM

Originally Posted by MACKATTACK

So I know alot of people have a different opinion on this topic so I was wondering what people thought. I wanted to optimize fat loss. I know that is done by low intensity cardio and keeping your heart rate down, but which type of cardio is the best you think?

i have been mixing it up lately doing some before and after and then just after or all before. Basically I do a total of 40mins of cardio everyday.

I usualy prefer to do it all after lifting since I get the most out of my lifting.

So what do you guys prefer or what have you heard in relation????

I dont think i have to say much.

**DSM4Life** · 05-13-2009, 05:40 AM

**MACKATTACK** · 05-13-2009, 10:45 AM

Thanks for the incredibly helpful answers......lol.........

So a 10 minute warm up is ok though im thinking.

What about heart rate is 130-145 too high of a heart rate or we more focused at 110 for a heart rate??

***SPIKE*** · 05-13-2009, 12:06 PM

Here's a good thread from a couple years back. Some good detailed info no when is best and why.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=240522

**eatrainrest** · 05-13-2009, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by MACKATTACK

Thanks for the incredibly helpful answers......lol.........

So a 10 minute warm up is ok though im thinking.

What about heart rate is 130-145 too high of a heart rate or we more focused at 110 for a heart rate??

do your warmup at liek 60-65% would be my recomendation, same as fat burning cardio

**countrybhoy** · 05-13-2009, 12:34 PM

i like never . i hate it . a 30 swim will do me . just as hard as any run uses more muscle and keeps you trim .

now i wait to be told off lol

**eatrainrest** · 05-13-2009, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by countrybhoy

i like never . i hate it . a 30 swim will do me . just as hard as any run uses more muscle and keeps you trim .

now i wait to be told off lol

im not sure what a 30 swim is but i assume you meant 30 minutes

uses more muslce aka using muscle as your primary energy source.. aka anaerobic cardiovascular training...aka throwin you in a furhter catabolic state while already in a glycogen depelted state aka...musce cannabalization...

**countrybhoy** · 05-13-2009, 12:53 PM

never did me any harm m8 and it beats the hell out of running and cycling . to things that bore me to tears .

**DEE151** · 05-14-2009, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by Reed

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**TODouble2** · 05-16-2009, 09:09 AM

i do the 5 min warmup then 30 to 40 minutes after

**DSM4Life** · 05-16-2009, 09:14 AM

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**xo3et** · 05-16-2009, 09:24 AM

weights then do 30 minutes cardio then have the protien shake??????????? or have the shake before you start the cardio????

**DSM4Life** · 05-16-2009, 09:27 AM

a f t e r

**TODouble2** · 05-16-2009, 11:51 AM

cardio then shake

**eatrainrest** · 05-16-2009, 12:55 PM

milk me

**Swifto** · 05-16-2009, 03:09 PM

What everyones thoughts on when to consume there shake when doing cardio PWO?

Should you take it after cardio (125-135HR 30-45mins), or before cardio immediately after resistance training?

Would the answer differ from, if the shake contained carbs, no carbs...?

MuscleScience...

**eatrainrest** · 05-16-2009, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

What everyones thoughts on when to consume there shake when doing cardio PWO?

Should you take it after cardio (125-135HR 30-45mins), or before cardio immediately after resistance training?

Would the answer differ from, if the shake contained carbs, no carbs...?

MuscleScience...

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=386548

**Swifto** · 05-17-2009, 04:33 AM

Originally Posted by eatrainrest

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=386548

Thanks.

**ghettoboyd** · 05-17-2009, 07:04 AM

i lift at night so most days its cardio before. at least 6-8 hrs before my weight training.usualy in the a.m. it dose not effect my workouts cus my body has plenty of time to recover before i lift. i think even though the general concensus is after your workout.if before is the only time you have to do cardio then its better than no cardio at all in imho.