Training and cycling

**IronClydes** · 01-10-2015, 02:22 PM

Hey everyone,

I completed my first cycle dosage of test cyp a couple months ago. I was averaging 6-700 a week for about 8 months. During that time I put on over 20 pounds of lean muscle and transformed my physique. My baseline testosterone level is maintained on my TRT program by my doctor. Unfortunately, these past couple months I was not fully returned to a normal testosterone blood level, instead I maintained a level over 1300 on the 200/week dosage I was on. As result, I am only recently in the normal range on 150/week.

Looking back, this means I was at a cycle range for about 10 months, maybe longer and maybe too much dosing as well. Regardless, I put on the muscle and my doc is running full panels to rule out any damage to organs for that time.

Here is the purpose of this thread: for the past month or so, my elbow/bicep region has been throbbing. Waves of pain, more in my left than right, are nearly debilitating whenever lifting. I am concerned that my training while on this high dosage could be to blame?

I have heard that when cycling it is best to be training in higher volume and higher rep ranges for the wellbeing of your joints. I am not sure how true this is, but for over two months now, which is the timeframe my pain has occurred, I have been on a very low rep low volume training plan called Beyond Bigger Leaner Stronger.

While my body continues to grow and I have been breaking all of my personal records in the gym, my elbow and shoulder joints continue to hurt more.

I have heard it said that, when cycling, muscles grow faster than tendons and ligaments can adapt to. Could this be my problem?

I would hate to give up this training plan as it is working good for me. Higher reps and higher volume won't work well now that I'm finally back to normal test levels.

Can anyone offer me advice, insight, or knowledge to help me through my painful training circumstances?

Thanks!

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**Khazima** · 01-10-2015, 06:35 PM

Higher reps and volume would still be fine to maintain your current physique while you allow some time for your connective tissue to repair itself.

Look into TB-500 it's a healing peptide great for situations like these, plenty of members on the board swear by it including myself, use the search function and you should find plenty of info on it.

Not sure about the bicep pain though, it could just be connective tissue but the way you describe it sounds strange, best to consult the doc about it.

**Buster Brown** · 01-10-2015, 06:51 PM

Listen to your body ......tendon damage is no fun. I tore my bicep tendon sparring back in 08. My orthopedic at the time explained to me that your tendon frayes over time like a violin bow until it finally snaps. At that point nothing will speed the healing process up besides your p.t. so.....get it checked out.

**IronClydes** · 01-10-2015, 07:12 PM

Thanks guys. I saw a chiropractor about it and had ART done. Wasn't very helpful. I'll look into that stuff for sure.

In the meantime, during this first off cycle, everyone agrees I should go high rep high volume? Something like 10-15 reps and totaling 20ish reps a muscle sound about right?

As I plan to return to my second cycle and continue cycles should I always stay high rep high volume as a user of only testosterone in my cycles?

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**IronClydes** · 01-10-2015, 07:16 PM

And if we are just going high rep for my injury tissue recovery, then it is still advisable to do low rep low volume training for muscle and strength growth? Therefore, since my knees are fine, stick to heavy weights on legs? Or is it advisable as a user to stay high rep high volume overall?

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**Khazima** · 01-10-2015, 08:41 PM

Go relatively light and high rep/high volume on the injured area granted there's absolutely no pain to do so, any pain = more recovery time.

And yes keep doing what you're doing with legs, no need to change that if there's no pain and it's working.

**IronClydes** · 01-10-2015, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by Khazima

Go relatively light and high rep/high volume on the injured area granted there's absolutely no pain to do so, any pain = more recovery time.

And yes keep doing what you're doing with legs, no need to change that if there's no pain and it's working.

Thank you, Khazima.

Since it is my elbows and shoulders which are irritated, It would seem this would shift all of my upper body to the high rep high volume as they all act of these joints.

Is there truth to it being preferable to train mostly high rep high volume when on a cycle? While I really enjoy the satisfaction of lifting heavier than most, my goal is in the arena of physique, not power. The logic I was heard on the matter was that our ligaments can't adapt as fast as the muscles grow on a cycle. As such, lighter weights don't risk as much injury to their already forced adaptations.

Where is a good thread or place to look regarding ideal training when cycling? I had two prior trainers encourage high reps high volume when they had me cycling, but they never elaborated. So, I have been training on my own the past 6 or so months and made the most gains to date on the heavier low rep low volume side of things. Although, the injury's are making me doubt this was the smartest course.

Thank for your time and help on this.

**IronClydes** · 01-10-2015, 08:59 PM

I researched the TB-500. It looks promising.

I will search around some more on here. Need to figure out the best source to get it as well as dosing and injection site.

Thanks again.

**Khazima** · 01-10-2015, 09:32 PM

I can't really comment about training on cycle since i don't have any experience in the area, i've read the most important thing when it comes to the fact that your ligaments don't repair like your muscles do is to have a few years training before cycling so they have the strength to keep up with the rapid strength gains.

Make sure to take a look at your form on movements that irritate the areas as well, as well as using the process of elimination to find the exercises that aggravate it the most, and leaving them out of your routine.

**IronClydes** · 01-10-2015, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by Khazima

I can't really comment about training on cycle since i don't have any experience in the area, i've read the most important thing when it comes to the fact that your ligaments don't repair like your muscles do is to have a few years training before cycling so they have the strength to keep up with the rapid strength gains.

Make sure to take a look at your form on movements that irritate the areas as well, as well as using the process of elimination to find the exercises that aggravate it the most, and leaving them out of your routine.

I hear you. Thanks for the help. I've been lifting for nearly 20 years. Only started cycling test last year for my first (long) cycle. My left elbow is really the culprit, the other elbow and shoulders aren't so bad yet. Left elbows been bothering me ever since donating blood. Lady hit something it there (nerve baby) and it's not been the same since. My chiropractor thinks they she may have pierced a tendon to my bicep.

That TB-500 is pricey!