i see some skinny guys lifting huge numbers and it really makes me wonder what is strength
i see some skinny guys lifting huge numbers and it really makes me wonder what is strength
^^^ I agree with BB
What is your definition of "strength"? Lifting static objects? Lifting and tossing resisting humans around (wrestling etc)?
It's all relative, you could take Johnny Jackson or whoever that is strong as an Ox and put them on a wrestling mat with a sub 200lb NCAA Div1 wrestler and they would be thrown around like a rag doll
Some people for whatever reason (Buster Brown i'm sure touched on some of them) just are dense and extremely strong for their size, and it's not always visible either which is scary. Some dude looks like he never hit a weight rack in his life yet would throw you around at will, crazy.
Then you also have your freaks of nature like Alexander Karelin
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As far as wrestling goes, I believe that has more to do with technique and leverage. I used to wrestle around with a guy my age back in the day who I outweighed by a good 30-40 pounds. He wasn't nearly as strong as me, but he had years and years of wrestling experience. I threw him around much more than he did me, but due to his skill level, we were pretty evenly matched as far as wrestling went. No matter how hard I tried, I just couldn't pin him!! But then again, he never pinned me either...
To take it one step further there are some big cats out there who technically are weak as shit. This totally blows me away when I see this. There is a Guy in my gym who weighs 275 and is stacked yet it see him doing working sets of 325 for 3 on the flat bench and struggling. I could go on and on but that's not the point. I learned something early on in boxing and it always stuck with me. Never underestimate anyone.....especially if you think they can't hang.
Yeah, it's def interesting to see
I see straight newbs come in the gym & bench 225 or 275
Yet, some(most) are the opposite
But, all look the same - Similar size & shape. . . . . . . Me being the "size" that I am, I am still super weak for my size. My muscle all around always seemed hollow & lack density. It's hard to describe, but that's how I see it. I have always had size, but it was just mush. It's getting better of course - but still, I am weak to weight. I am getting close to benching triple plates finnaly - But, I weigh almost 220 @ about 10% Bf.
cns is more responsible for strength, but yes if you have more muscles the more motor unit cns can use to move/lift objects
Short answer no. I say this from personal experience. I consider myself a decent size 6' 200 lbs, not huge by any means. Now i probably can bench 225 twice but i can squat 450 for reps. Its like i have genetically strong/ big legs. I can get upper body to grow but strength goes up very slowly, figure that out.
Size do not mean strenght.
strenght do not mean size.
Being bigger than someone dont makes you stronger.
HOWEVER, being bigger than you were, mean that you are stronger(obviously if your form just go down the toilet your strengh will sucks...).
more muscle on the same individual will always mean more potentiel strenght.
More strenght on the same individual will always mean more size.
if every other variable stay the same.
strenght is partly due to the muscle itself, bigger fiber can generate more force.
Nervous control, you get better at recruting muscle fiber.
Technique, allow you to use the right muscle to execute the task.
Mental, and alertness affext dramaticly all your lift.
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I've always wanted to comment in this thread but never did, because this is a very hard question to answer...
You see in powerlifting and weightlifting that the further up the dude is with weight class, the stronger he gets.
At the same time, you see swole guys who can barely bench 315.
Like Buster Brown said, TON of variables...........
Strength and size are related to each other and influence one another but strength is also about optimizing CNS/neural motor recruitment. Strength is also dependent on increasing the amount of contractile proteins in the muscle. All things being equal, the person with more lbm will be stronger or at the very least have the capability to be stronger.
Yes, strength is relevant to muscle size..
I didn't read the whole thread but I lost strength as I lost weight (fat).Originally Posted by Buster Brown
there are girls much heavier (more fat) that can push more weight then me so I too think there are more then 2 variables involved.
That was my case. I was cutting and lost strength but did gain some back with training.Originally Posted by Docd187123
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