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    Braverman Test

    I highly recommend all of you go on here and take this test

    www.bravermantest.com

    I learned this from Charles Poliquin. I know some people hate the guy and think he's weird, but I've been studying his way of doing things and so I ran upon this test. It basically helps you learn which kind of neurotransmitter setup you most likely have, and then you train your body according to that.

    The funny thing is, it is so accurate, I don't care if someone calls it woo nonsense.

    Volume doesn't do much for me; HITT Dorian style did, but not enough...But a combo of both, is precisely why my neurotransmitter type needs. Being a dopamine dominant type I can handle High intensity and high volume. Considered the "fire" type.

    My work outs now consist of 10x3 for compound and 5x6 for isolation. For my transmitter type, anything above 8 reps is a waste of time. So those of you who get dopamine dominate, its best for us to train heavy with AND high volume.

    There are other types as well all discribed here https://www.t-nation.com/training/five-elements
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    Im a huge fan of Bravermen. And think his book The Edge Effect has alot of great science in it

    I too and Dop dom sonthank you for the workout correlation.
    How did you come by correlating?

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    The article https://www.t-nation.com/training/five-elements and some videos I've seen by Charles

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    Cool. Thx

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    Quote Originally Posted by JuliusPleaser View Post
    I highly recommend all of you go on here and take this test

    www.bravermantest.com

    I learned this from Charles Poliquin. I know some people hate the guy and think he's weird, but I've been studying his way of doing things and so I ran upon this test. It basically helps you learn which kind of neurotransmitter setup you most likely have, and then you train your body according to that.

    The funny thing is, it is so accurate, I don't care if someone calls it woo nonsense.

    Volume doesn't do much for me; HITT Dorian style did, but not enough...But a combo of both, is precisely why my neurotransmitter type needs. Being a dopamine dominant type I can handle High intensity and high volume. Considered the "fire" type.

    My work outs now consist of 10x3 for compound and 5x6 for isolation. For my transmitter type, anything above 8 reps is a waste of time. So those of you who get dopamine dominate, its best for us to train heavy with AND high volume.

    There are other types as well all discribed here https://www.t-nation.com/training/five-elements
    Great assessment! I hit 42 dopamine (1A) so I appear to be very dopamine dominant.

    Gf was (4A) GABA dominant but not by a wide magin at all. She had a split fairly even on all four.

    My assessment hit pretty square.

    Thank you for sharing!
    I recommend others this assessment. It was educational.

    I am simple as hell. My gf appears to be complicated as fuck just as I suspected. One thing I like about this is that you aren't generalized as you fall into other groups as well.

    I am dopamine dominant by a heavy majority and the assessment pretty much described me to a T.

    I will also add, don't lie. I answered as quickly as possible and gf and I didn't share answers as we agreed upon because it gets into private shit that I could see could cause issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    I am simple as hell.

    What's your point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by m.hornbuckle View Post
    You took it twice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    What's your point?
    I have confirmed what I always suspected...
    Why didn't you tell me if you already knew?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    You took it twice?
    no if you go down there a deficiency test as well,

    top portion dominance
    bottom deficient

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    Quote Originally Posted by m.hornbuckle View Post
    no if you go down there a deficiency test as well,

    top portion dominance
    bottom deficient
    Shiit! I didnt even see the deficiency part.

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    You're only supposed to take it once, otherwise you will probably get a different result.

    I am dopamine dominate and GABA deficient, which explains why melatonin knocks me out.

    Ever since I've been training this way, my workouts have been amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JuliusPleaser View Post
    You're only supposed to take it once, otherwise you will probably get a different result.

    I am dopamine dominate and GABA deficient, which explains why melatonin knocks me out.

    Ever since I've been training this way, my workouts have been amazing.
    training this way?

    I too showed dope dominant and GABA deficient.

    explain training to suit this to me please?

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    I was GABA dominant..... But also GABA deficient, wtf? Although I was only 33 in the dominant, which is hardly.... well, dominant IMHO. I was pretty evenly spread across all four categories. Still, interesting read, thanks.

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    Reminded me of school. Not sure I want to take this test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JuliusPleaser View Post
    You're only supposed to take it once, otherwise you will probably get a different result.

    I am dopamine dominate and GABA deficient, which explains why melatonin knocks me out.

    Ever since I've been training this way, my workouts have been amazing.

    Id love to see more evidence that the training elements types or workout programming could overlay our braverman results and be synergistic.
    Maybe we need to proctor a study
    Whats most important is that the bravermen results influence your lifestyle and nutrition so shore up your deficientcy.
    And if you simply do that will all training programs improve ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by m.hornbuckle View Post
    training this way?

    I too showed dope dominant and GABA deficient.

    explain training to suit this to me please?
    Accoding to this, since we are dopamine dominate, our neurotransmitters can take a TON of abuse. We need heavy weights and more sets.

    According to the article we are "fire types"...

    "The Fire type needs both high intensity and higher volume in terms of sets than the other elements. In other words, he would thrive on workouts that consisted of 10-12 sets of 1-3 R.M. What's more, their work capacity curve is phenomenal in that they can do 10-12 sets with a given weight with very little drop-off in performance.

    Any sets above 8 reps are a waste of time.

    The amazing thing about Fire types is that you can beat them into the ground, as long as you change the program often. If a Fire type does workout X, he will need to switch to workout Y after five days because he will already have adapted.

    Since they have a great capacity for training, variety in the program is essential to them. It is better to change the choice and order of exercise and the mode of contractions. Volume and intensities do not need to vary as much.

    An ideal workout for a fire type would include perhaps two lifts a day consisting of 10-12 sets of 1-3. He could superset two antagonistic body parts, for example bench and chins, and then perhaps do some remedial work at the end. He could easily do relative strength work followed by hypertrophy training in the same workout. They could easily train twice a day, six days a week, as long as they changed the exercises.

    How to Determine a Fire Type: A Fire type will invariably ask, "Are you sure this is enough work for me?" If he performed a German Volume Training program [essentially, 10 sets of 10 using the same weight], he would do fine on the first two sets of ten, but crash on the third. If you gave a Fire type an Earth type workout, his blood sugar would drop alarmingly. An alternate test would involve testing his max, letting him rest 10 minutes and then giving them 85% of max. Typically, he will only be able to pump out 1-3 reps."


    This is so TRUE for me I don't see any growth on high reps, I also would will lose reps if I did 10x10 or any high rep straight set routine. But I can do 10 x 3 of heavy as weight and not lose a rep with any exercises.

    So what I do now is I pick a compound movement to start the muscle group and do 10 x 3; then I pick isolation movements and do 5 x 6. I used this formula for legs, and I even did arms today doing this; still got a pump and felt great. Way better doing high reps for me.

    I grew with Dorians HIIT training, but it wasn't enough volume... this is plenty now, and I do as much as my body tells me it can handle. I only train once a week each group, 4 days split.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JuliusPleaser View Post
    Accoding to this, since we are dopamine dominate, our neurotransmitters can take a TON of abuse. We need heavy weights and more sets.

    According to the article we are "fire types"...

    "The Fire type needs both high intensity and higher volume in terms of sets than the other elements. In other words, he would thrive on workouts that consisted of 10-12 sets of 1-3 R.M. What's more, their work capacity curve is phenomenal in that they can do 10-12 sets with a given weight with very little drop-off in performance.

    Any sets above 8 reps are a waste of time.

    The amazing thing about Fire types is that you can beat them into the ground, as long as you change the program often. If a Fire type does workout X, he will need to switch to workout Y after five days because he will already have adapted.

    Since they have a great capacity for training, variety in the program is essential to them. It is better to change the choice and order of exercise and the mode of contractions. Volume and intensities do not need to vary as much.

    An ideal workout for a fire type would include perhaps two lifts a day consisting of 10-12 sets of 1-3. He could superset two antagonistic body parts, for example bench and chins, and then perhaps do some remedial work at the end. He could easily do relative strength work followed by hypertrophy training in the same workout. They could easily train twice a day, six days a week, as long as they changed the exercises.

    How to Determine a Fire Type: A Fire type will invariably ask, "Are you sure this is enough work for me?" If he performed a German Volume Training program [essentially, 10 sets of 10 using the same weight], he would do fine on the first two sets of ten, but crash on the third. If you gave a Fire type an Earth type workout, his blood sugar would drop alarmingly. An alternate test would involve testing his max, letting him rest 10 minutes and then giving them 85% of max. Typically, he will only be able to pump out 1-3 reps."


    This is so TRUE for me I don't see any growth on high reps, I also would will lose reps if I did 10x10 or any high rep straight set routine. But I can do 10 x 3 of heavy as weight and not lose a rep with any exercises.

    So what I do now is I pick a compound movement to start the muscle group and do 10 x 3; then I pick isolation movements and do 5 x 6. I used this formula for legs, and I even did arms today doing this; still got a pump and felt great. Way better doing high reps for me.

    I grew with Dorians HIIT training, but it wasn't enough volume... this is plenty now, and I do as much as my body tells me it can handle. I only train once a week each group, 4 days split.
    I will say this, this fits in with a lot of what I have learned through trial and error.
    I never do the same workout and shoot for 12 sets or more. Very interesting and there are way too many coincidences for it to be bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    I will say this, this fits in with a lot of what I have learned through trial and error.
    I never do the same workout and shoot for 12 sets or more. Very interesting and there are way too many coincidences for it to be bullshit.
    very true,

    this is spot on for me.

    I can do sets of 12-15 for days.

    as soon as I get that weight that's failing me at 4 or so reps, that's when I'm petered out.
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    He means 10-12 sets per exercise with low reps.

    Poliquin trains mostly athletes that aren't body builders. WE would have to do more sets with different angles.

    Here's an example of what I do for Leg day:

    10 x 3 squat
    10 x 3 leg press
    5 x 6 SLDL
    5 x 6 leg extension
    5 x 6 leg curl

    5 x 6 seated and standing calves

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    my typical chest workouts are

    10sets of 12-15 with dumbbell bench.
    5 sets of flat barbell bench at 12 reps, the 5 sets with weight I can get 8.

    10 sets of incline DB, first 5 sets for 20 reps, last 5 sets with 10 reps (weighted accordingly)

    5 sets flys

    then 5 sets of something nuts like 110 dumbs for 5 or sets of 1rm on barbell.

    I don't even feel warmed up till mid way.

    that's when shit starts moving good

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    Quote Originally Posted by m.hornbuckle View Post
    my typical chest workouts are

    10sets of 12-15 with dumbbell bench.
    5 sets of flat barbell bench at 12 reps, the 5 sets with weight I can get 8.

    10 sets of incline DB, first 5 sets for 20 reps, last 5 sets with 10 reps (weighted accordingly)

    5 sets flys

    then 5 sets of something nuts like 110 dumbs for 5 or sets of 1rm on barbell.

    I don't even feel warmed up till mid way.

    that's when shit starts moving good
    I think the point of being 'fire type' is to do less reps, but more sets. 10-12 is too high for us.

    Think about it, which would make you stronger: Moving a heavy rock 30 times (10 x 3), or moving a light rock 30 times (3 x 10)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JuliusPleaser View Post
    I think the point of being 'fire type' is to do less reps, but more sets. 10-12 is too high for us.

    Think about it, which would make you stronger: Moving a heavy rock 30 times (10 x 3), or moving a light rock 30 times (3 x 10)
    I run higher sets but shoot for 4-8 reps some days and go as high as 15 at times.
    I dont think anyone can be lumped into one group but I think this is definitely a thing to consider.
    Mind muscle connection is powerful. Probably the most powerful aspect of bodybuilding or lifting for strength.

    I started with Dorian Yates and later through trial and error started leaning towards more sets. The process of learning what works for you as an individual is long.

    I see so many guys wasting time and energy doing things by a book and studying their asses off on what worked for others then holding to a method. Nutrition is a prime example.

    Some will spend a thousand hours studying what proteins and carbs are "best for muscle mass".

    I hate to burst their bubble but food especially is a genetic only factor. Your diet will depend on you perfecting it and not a book.

    A doctor is a mechanic.
    If its a hard part of the body, they can change or fix most parts... Broken bones, joints, kidneys, livers, etc... They are mechanics.

    Once a person has a genetic issue or disease about all they can do is treat and hope... Cancer, disease, neurological disorders, etc...

    Now if a doctor is a mechanic, a nutritionist is the teenage kid at oriellys telling you what brand of oil is best for your engine.

    I enjoy studies and articles and new ideas. Fact is though, none of them can directly tie anyone to a certain diet or training method. Maybe someday they will but here in the stone age we will have to learn what works for us. An open mind to new ideas like this guy's is key.

    I always try new shit. I haven't had a mirrpr workout in a year. I change constantly. I am doing good by anyones standards because I didn't read one way that worked for someone or several people and fall into a routine. I constantly adapt everything to what is working.

    I really appreciate the assessment btw! Totally off the wall approach and things like that are the way I
    Learn new ways to experiment.

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    Indeed I agree.

    It probably also good to not always go heavy, and I'll probably switch rep ranges up and shorten rest periods. I just go how my body feels anyway; we are all different and I think listening to our body is the final stage of learning what's best for us.
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