well, obviously, i've found a system that works extremely well for me, on Oct. 23, 2003, i began my DC training routine and weighed in at 245, today Jan. 22, 2004, i weighed in at 258! and my waist went down an inch, all my weights have gone up signifigantly on basic movements, and guess what folks, my cycle doesn't begin for another month, so this was achieved naturally!