How big can you stay off the gear?

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08-01-2005, 09:58 PM
catlovesfood

How big can you stay off the gear?

Ive done 2 cycles myself, and want to know how much bigger I can really get and hold that weight with my natty test? :scratch:
08-01-2005, 11:44 PM
*Narkissos*

How much muscle do YOU normally retain?
08-01-2005, 11:47 PM
catlovesfood

20 lb 2 months after pct
08-01-2005, 11:48 PM
*Narkissos*

IMO it's an individual event.

Depends on a lot of variables too.

Genetics..training...diet..rest...etc. in addition to natty test levels...as these other factors affect natty test levels.

What do you use when you're off?

For some, 'off' means slin/igf-1/gh/t3

For other 'off' means var/prohormones/creatine...

And for others 'off' means...nothing but food and non-hormonal supps.

What does 'off' mean to YOU?

~Nark
08-01-2005, 11:51 PM
catlovesfood

off cycle i use, creatine, alot of glutamine, multi, and 320 grams protein daily.
08-01-2005, 11:54 PM
catlovesfood

i am just tryin to find out what the average is, i mean i know its an individual thing, but just in order to get an idea, you know what i mean?
08-02-2005, 12:45 AM
rodge

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narkissos

What does 'off' mean to YOU?

~Nark

to me off means (just)500mg test :7up:

-rodge
08-02-2005, 12:51 AM
*Narkissos*

Quote:

Originally Posted by rodge nl.

to me off means (just)500mg test :7up:

-rodge

see what i mean? :D
08-02-2005, 12:54 AM
_Tiger_

lmao (just)...hahaha
08-02-2005, 12:54 AM
chest6

off to me means glutamin 300+g protein daily
08-02-2005, 12:57 AM
catlovesfood

but back to the question - how big could i get based on the average, with no juice to maintain the weight.
im 220 5,11 12%bf
08-02-2005, 12:58 AM
*Narkissos*

'off' to me means slin...and using slin...i retain AND gain.
08-02-2005, 01:00 AM
catlovesfood

wots your stats narkissos?
08-02-2005, 01:02 AM
chest6

i have gained about 10lbs naturally since my first cycle that ended in Oct...and by the way I was a dumbass and had a crappy/no pct..so took awhile to get back to normal test
08-02-2005, 01:26 AM
*Narkissos*

Quote:

Originally Posted by catlovesfood

wots your stats narkissos?

I'm 5'5"

Offseason.. i'm around 200 lbs at about 10% BF

I compete in the 170-175 range
08-02-2005, 01:28 AM
*Narkissos*

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narkissos

'off' to me means slin...and using slin...i retain AND gain.

What i should say is that i use slin mini cycles between cycles... I don't really use gear... I may run one short duration, low-moderate dose, cycle per year.
08-02-2005, 01:29 AM
*Narkissos*

I may do two-three contests per year... and 2 out of three of 'em will be drug-tested...so i generally can't run longer cycles
08-02-2005, 01:37 AM
Latimus

off means slin/igf ...and i also gain..
08-02-2005, 05:15 AM
rodge

Quote:

Originally Posted by Latimus

off means slin/igf ...and i also gain..

oh yeh, i forgot those.

-rodge
08-02-2005, 07:34 AM
Squatman51

keep the protein + calories high and clean