Sooners04 v. Grappler13 (Legality of Searches Incident to Arrest)
IF YOU ORDER OR POSSESS ANY AAS EVER, YOU MUST READ THIS IN ITS ENTIRETY. IT COULD SAVE YOU 10,000S OD THOUSANDS AND YEARS IN JAIL. IT'S WELL WORTH THE TEN MINUTES.
I started the thread below a few months ago and an esteemed member of this board, who is also a police officer. We engaged in a heated but friendly debate regarding my interpretations of a legal event named "Search incident to lawful arrest." Sooners04 and I disagree as you will see from reading the first post below:
http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-lounge-off-topic-discussion/234144-law-how-avoid-coppers-other-ranting.html
First of all, I practise law and Sooners04 enforces the law. These are two different practice areas and our goals as professionals will necessarily differ and Sooners04 is sworn to uphold the law and I am sworn to force the state and its representatives to prove its case within the confines of the Consitution and applicable state codes (The US Constitution and federal law trump state law either through the Supremacy Clause or by a legislative intent to do so but that is besides the point. Sooners04 and I disagree and I'll be willing to bet that he attands court more in a wek than I do in a year. That being said, I am an atty and regardless of repitition of a particular action by the police or other enforcement branch, repitition of unConstitutional behaviour does not make it legal. This is not an attack on Sooners04 as he has been gracious in our back and forths (except when he questioned my really being an atty :wg:
The following is an easy to read posting that is well footnoted and I encourage everyone to read it: It can be found at:
http://www.acgov.org/da/pov/documents/sita.htm
which allows easier searching a review of the footnoting which is of paramount importance as a statement made can be limited to particular circumstances by the case law which is discussed in depth in the footnotes.
Sooners04: I still think that I am right in my interpretation of the Search incident to Lawful Arrest and look forward to a lively discussion.
BETTER READ AT THE LINK ABOVE SO FOOTNOTES ARE EASY TO LINK TO (unless someone can tell me how to associate a hyper link in side of a post).
Read this Thread If You Use or Possess AAS
I'm bumping because this is important. WHen Sooner04 gets here, we will hopefully get an inside look at the enforcement side of the equation (i.e. real life arrests and the circumstances revolving around them). When we come to the obvious conclusion that the branches of gov and the atty's who defend the indicted, then maybe we should form a PAC to force the gov. to reevaluate its stance on AAS possession.
To me, personal freedom in the US should extend to the far reaches of expansion until I pose a threat or perpetrate a harm on another. Drug laws are completely out of order when viewed rationally. We have a serial underclass and their masters that exist solely because of the illegality of drugs (AAS included). Meth sucks, Coke sucks, etc......... but the reasons (such as the "fact" that black men were more disposed to rape white women whilst under the influence of marijuana is not a recognized reason for its continued illegality. Accordingly, AAS use and the anecdotal harms that are associated with their use has been grossly exagerated to the point where AAS users are subject to imprisonment, future difficulties in finding employment, social stigma for being a felon....the list goes on. Serious AAS users are probably the most body conscious people alive and we're terrified to publicly proclaim and defend this because of our fear of going to jail. Today, if you are caught with AAS, you are f@#$%ed. You may not get to go to jail or the like, but if you cannot afford a competent atty (and we're talking 1000s and 1000s of legal fees, then 1) you have to become a rat (do you have the contacts to be a valuable rat?), or serve ome jail time as a felon. Not pretty.