**Marcus's HIT Dungeon**

[hammerheart]

Yes sir, ECLIA can give skewed results vs LC/MS or MS/MS testing if I recall correctly. There's a thread in the TRT forum about it. I believe Chauffeur even posted some results comparing the 2 tests, but I may be mistaken. Check out post#16 in particular.

http://forums.steroid.com/hormone-re...st-method.html

Interesting to know, that's what my lab uses. I hope one week off tren ace is enough not to skew E2 reading.

[hammerheart]

Hmmmm whatcha think is causing this Bizz? It's always something but be glad your very in tune with your body!

I guess permanent damage has occurred in the nerve supplying the area, luckily is just a sensory nerve and not a motor one. No idea why it happens, but I was also underweight at the time and perhaps the non-existent fat pad let the nerve irritate. This mostly occurred when sleeping and laying on the side.

[NACH3]

I guess permanent damage has occurred in the nerve supplying the area, luckily is just a sensory nerve and not a motor one. No idea why it happens, but I was also underweight at the time and perhaps the non-existent fat pad let the nerve irritate. This mostly occurred when sleeping and laying on the side.

Interesting keep us in the loop buddy! I'm learning a lot just from what you go through man - keep that head up!

[NACH3]

I guess permanent damage has occurred in the nerve supplying the area, luckily is just a sensory nerve and not a motor one. No idea why it happens, but I was also underweight at the time and perhaps the non-existent fat pad let the nerve irritate. This mostly occurred when sleeping and laying on the side.

Tren doesn't aromatize though it can screw readings but nandrolone actually aromatizes(though it's only 20% of the rate of test) I think that's why it'll screw T readings???

[Kyle1337]

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Kenny if they're not noticing we are doing it wrong lol - what's the point in trying to hide it(job or just b:c of all the ignorant people out there?!

You thinking of linking a precycle prime to this next blast??

The Prime explained before cycling..

This will allow for a better recomp or lean bulk... if your bf% is around 10% backload some winny or for the last 6 wks - it'll harden you up big time & my strength goes way up(very anabolic)

That's true... haha. I'm sure people notice, but to much of pussies to say anything. The gym I'm at is filled with airheads that believe "natural" is the only way, yet the trainer there is full blown AAS for life, like 240# on stage... He's damn near his pro card. Missed it a few times... And guess what, they all worship him haha. I think they're just jealous and shitty towards AAS, because on AAS it's easy to blow them out of the water.

I've read that prime a couple times, and I was thinking of doing it this next cycle... Thanks for the link again I will study it. Got a little time before I'd need to do it.

[Marsoc]

Marcus o Marcus where art Thow...

[NACH3]

That's true... haha. I'm sure people notice, but to much of pussies to say anything. The gym I'm at is filled with airheads that believe "natural" is the only way, yet the trainer there is full blown AAS for life, like 240# on stage... He's damn near his pro card. Missed it a few times... And guess what, they all worship him haha. I think they're just jealous and shitty towards AAS, because on AAS it's easy to blow them out of the water.

I've read that prime a couple times, and I was thinking of doing it this next cycle... Thanks for the link again I will study it. Got a little time before I'd need to do it.

Hey Kyle I'm actually going to do the pre cycle prime right this time as well... meaning just implementing it lol - I can forsee big things doing this followed by a short but very intense blast - I'll be getting ready
Glad I could help in anyway buddy!

[kelkel]

Lmao, don't worry mate I'm only funny once a year and I spent myself already.

Then try and say something funny earlier next year. I hate being on the edge of my seat for over 11 months. Quite rude actually.

[kelkel]

Tren doesn't aromatize though it can screw readings but nandrolone actually aromatizes(though it's only 20% of the rate of test) I think that's why it'll screw T readings???

I've yet to have a problem with either low dose deca or tren (and both at the same time) skewing test results which indicates to me that it may be dose dependent.

[Proximal]

I'm 45 and have been training or playing sport my whole life. I refuse to accept my age in spite of what my body tells me sometimes.

Love the attitude, really do. However, it works until you're on a cane, destroying your kidneys and/or liver with meds and still can't get a decent nights sleep. Just saying, been there.

[hammerheart]

Tren doesn't aromatize though it can screw readings but nandrolone actually aromatizes(though it's only 20% of the rate of test) I think that's why it'll screw T readings???

I do understand the problem as "cross-reactivity" and that would be due to structural affinities. If you google assay specs you might find cross-reactivity data too, see below.

I've yet to have a problem with either low dose deca or tren (and both at the same time) skewing test results which indicates to me that it may be dose dependent.

Spectrometry or immunoassay?

This table is extracted from here

[hammerheart]

Love the attitude, really do. However, it works until you're on a cane, destroying your kidneys and/or liver with meds and still can't get a decent nights sleep. Just saying, been there.

I agree, drugs are only a trade in the end.

Myself I can't recall a nice sleep in years, but it doesn't matter, I will feel good one day.

[clarky.]

Morning fellas,GGR. Had a nice wk end myself, hope all is well with everyone.
No session the night, i'll catch up the night fellas.

[almostgone]

Marcus o Marcus where art Thow...

He's swamped with work, but will be back soon.

[hammerheart]

Tren has already left the building... not much appetite, muscle stamina and endurance are in the sink... just have to wait until Thursday when blood draw is scheduled. I will be doing HCG again (none atm, tried in summer but got way too hot ) and I hope to get the same feeling from endogenous P4 (progesterone), it's not like I can stay on Tren forever.

[Mr.BB]

Thought you were doing tren E ?

[hammerheart]

Thought you were doing tren E ?

I remember I've already told you, I think it's mislabeled.

I'm sure it isn't enanthate , it hits quickly and it leaves in less than two days, I can feel it. I have been pinning .3ml EOD so far.

[Mr.BB]

I remember I've already told you, I think it's mislabeled.

I'm sure it isn't enanthate, it hits quickly and it leaves in less than two days, I can feel it. I have been pinning .3ml EOD so far.

Sorry, sleeping pills facking my memory.

But its hard to know for sure...

[Proximal]

Morning all.

[Cuz]

Morning prox, mornin all

[almostgone]

Morning, everyone. Just finished egg whites and oats and am letting it settle. I may try to squeeze in a leg session here in a few. Massage coming up in a few hours.

[kelkel]

Dungeon time. Pounding coffee!

[NACH3]

I've yet to have a problem with either low dose deca or tren (and both at the same time) skewing test results which indicates to me that it may be dose dependent.

Interesting Kel... I'll have to start doing my own when I do low dose.... either compound again lol

[kelkel]

Not saying it doesn't happen, just that I've never detected it. And I have stacks of BW to compare and more at the end of this month. Fortunately my doc lets me write my own BW scripts. Love that guy.

[NACH3]

Not saying it doesn't happen, just that I've never detected it. And I have stacks of BW to compare and more at the end of this month. Fortunately my doc lets me write my own BW scripts. Love that guy.

Now that's a great doc/patient relationship right there! That's awesome you can talk without fear like many deal with - I'm sure you knowing more than most specialists helps

[DocToxin8]

Not saying it doesn't happen, just that I've never detected it. And I have stacks of BW to compare and more at the end of this month. Fortunately my doc lets me write my own BW scripts. Love that guy.

Had the same system with my previous doc.
Too bad he retired.

Hello all btw! Hope ur all well!
My personal life is even messier than usual right now,
So haven't checked in that much.
Got my fair share of lifting done though, problem is food.
Think I've found the most irresponsible solution to that however,
just take 10u Ultratard in the morning and if I don't get in enough cals I get the hypo shivers. Worked the last 4 days but today I'm taking a break.
Due to inconsistent training my HIT efforts have stalled, now I do up to three hour workouts instead. (Just depending on how many feel, doing light 1h20ish workouts if tired. With low weights as well, just "repair" training)
Hope to get thing settled a bit before Christmas.

Have a nice one people, never stop moving those plates!

[DocToxin8]

I'm partly joking bout the Ultratard thing. Don't try such an approach, lol.

[almostgone]

Ok, home from my 2 hour massage. The wonderful massage lady threw me an extra half hour because she cancelled on me twice due to her family being sick or her sons making it farther in the playoffs of their baseball league. She really is a sweetheart of a girl, but I could tell she was wiped out after working on me.
While doing her initial feeling, poking, and prodding, she found the spot where I pull the bar into my traps on squats almost immediately and asked what was going on there and when she was working on my hamstrings she noticed a small knot adjacent to a scar and asked about it. Said it feels like a piece or pieces of metal or something, which it is. Amazing how long if takes for stuff to work its way out of your body. She really stripped hard on the pecs and anteriors again because they were pretty tight from the lift 2 days ago. Weird thing, I've always had very coarse chest fibers. When they put the biventricular pacemaker in years ago, they had a hell of a time getting the pacer to sit in the pocket they cut into my l. pec. Frigging thing kept squirting out like a wet bar of soap, LOL. Which reminds me, I need to get a stress echo cardiogram scheduled before the end of this insurance benefit period in March. Cardiologist has called twice, I just need to schedule the damn thing. I'm willing to bet my EF% is 40-45%+, probably closer to 45%.
Feel really good.and loose right now. Am pounding down some water and scarfing down some steamed chicken, veggies, and rice.
Did a fairly compressed but intense leg session in prior to my.massage.

1 set of crunches
Leg ext. - 2 w/u, Work-20+,drop,12+,drop,9+. 5 count hold on partials.
Hacks-1 w/u, Work1- 7 - 4. Rested for 90 seconds and kept same weight. Work2- 5.
No reverse hacks since I was running short on time.
Leg press- 1 w/u, Work1 (wide stance)- 11 reps. Drop some weight. Work2 (narrow stance)- 11 reps.
Leg curls- Work- 14+,drop,5+,drop,8+ w/ 5 count hold on partials.

41 minutes not including crunches. Time to hit the rack. Have to be at work in a little over 7 hours.

[hammerheart]

Had a painful episode of calf spasm tonight. Enough to make me scream out loud... been happening for a couple of months I think, but never of this intensity. Gotta check electrolytes but I wonder if I'm just dehydrated, I don't feel the thirst lol.

[InternalFire]

Had a painful episode of calf spasm tonight. Enough to make me scream out loud... been happening for a couple of months I think, but never of this intensity. Gotta check electrolytes but I wonder if I'm just dehydrated, I don't feel the thirst lol.

Mag-fkin-nesium


On iherb site grab yourself "now foods" magnesium citrate bottle and have 2g a day split in two doses of course so to avoid bowel irritation.... you may wanna ensure you get enough potassium while on magnesium, in case you develop sensitive teeth... as magnesium tends to deplete potassium... Im spasm/cramp free for a long time ever since... hope this helps

[hammerheart]

Yes thanks I already know about the Mg, the problem is, I get sedation big time from it.

I wonder how could I stand a muscle relaxant lol.

[InternalFire]

Yes thanks I already know about the Mg, the problem is, I get sedation big time from it.

I wonder how could I stand a muscle relaxant lol.

Take it before retiring at evening / night... there you go - a great night sleep is almost on a schedule. Now, your call ... im sleepy as fck

Night every1

[kelkel]

lady threw me an extra half hour

Bet you wish you could say the same occasionally without having to knock 28 minutes off the clock.......

[almostgone]

Bet you wish you could say the same occasionally without having to knock 28 minutes off the clock.......

LOL, well played!

[Proximal]

Morning all. Strictly cardio and abs yesterday - thanks for the motivation Kyle, once again, great work.

Biceps just about recovered from a killer workout 8 days ago, the PB took its toll. Those and back later today.

[almostgone]

Mag-fkin-nesium


On iherb site grab yourself "now foods" magnesium citrate bottle and have 2g a day split in two doses of course so to avoid bowel irritation.... you may wanna ensure you get enough potassium while on magnesium, in case you develop sensitive teeth... as magnesium tends to deplete potassium... Im spasm/cramp free for a long time ever since... hope this helps

I've actually found 400mg of magnesium daily helped me improve my low potassium levels. I was able to cut my dose down to 20mEq of Klor-Con per day instead of 40mEq.

JASN | Mobile


https://ods.od.nih.gov/FactSheets/magnesium/
Early signs of magnesium deficiency include loss of appetite, nausea, vomiting, fatigue, and weakness. As magnesium deficiency worsens, numbness, tingling, muscle contractions and cramps, seizures, personality changes, abnormal heart rhythms, and coronary spasms can occur [1,2]. Severe magnesium deficiency can result in hypocalcemia or hypokalemia (low serum calcium or potassium levels, respectively) because mineral homeostasis is disrupted.

Also, I really like this site that Kel mentioned in the past:

https://examine.com/supplements/magnesium/

[almostgone]

Time to get horizontal. Will see how I feel later on. Not sure if this is a rest day or if I want to work in arms late this evening before work.

[NACH3]

Had a painful episode of calf spasm tonight. Enough to make me scream out loud... been happening for a couple of months I think, but never of this intensity. Gotta check electrolytes but I wonder if I'm just dehydrated, I don't feel the thirst lol.

Mix with about 5g of taurine?!

[NACH3]

LOL, well played!

Always is on his part lol

[clarky.]

Hi fellas,GGR. Did arms earlier, good session.

Standing db curls 1 working DD

Incline db curls 1 working DD

Db preacher 1 working 3 forced 3 neg a side

Incline lying db tri ex 1 working DD

Tri pd 3 sets. Sbar

Behind head tri ex 2 sets vbar

Done, hard and heavy.