Pew poll on Muslim attitudes from around the world

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Five takeaways from Pew’s comprehensive study on Islam – CNN Belief Blog - CNN.com Blogs

Nothing really outside the realm of what we really already know; It is interesting to see how different America is from the rest of the world.

[panntastic]

I'm not going to waste my time reading this I have my own views on the world

[LGM]

I'm not going to waste my time reading this I have my own views on the world

lol, okay. Thank you for sharing that you're not sharing.


I found it interesting given the past threads and opinions espoused on the muslim population and the Boston bombings.

[panntastic]

I have nothing against any one any gender any persons sexual belief or any persons religious belief
In any walk of life, religion, colour, sexual preference there's people who go against the grain that's always going to happen.
Unfortunately the media has a hard on for the Muslim community right now because of goings on around the world.
But there's another thread going on right now in the lounge about two parents who decided god was better for their children than medicine was.
Its just Islam is the flavour of the day unfortunately and I think that's sad.

[LGM]

I have nothing against any one any gender any persons sexual belief or any persons religious belief
In any walk of life, religion, colour, sexual preference there's people who go against the grain that's always going to happen.
Unfortunately the media has a hard on for the Muslim community right now because of goings on around the world.
But there's another thread going on right now in the lounge about two parents who decided god was better for their children than medicine was.
Its just Islam is the flavour of the day unfortunately and I think that's sad.

You really should check out the article; it pretty much supports your thought process in Western nations; much more forgiving, understanding, and accepting even among muslims. It's when you get into the extremist nations who run under Sharia or extremist clerics that things go south fast. Sad.

[Metalject]

I have nothing against any one any gender any persons sexual belief or any persons religious belief
In any walk of life, religion, colour, sexual preference there's people who go against the grain that's always going to happen.
Unfortunately the media has a hard on for the Muslim community right now because of goings on around the world.
But there's another thread going on right now in the lounge about two parents who decided god was better for their children than medicine was.
Its just Islam is the flavour of the day unfortunately and I think that's sad.

The flavor of the day? You say that like it's all a made up mess. Are there terrorist from all walks of life? Of course, but lets be honest, the vast majority of terrorist attacks today are muslim related. That's just common sense. As for the media, you're right, they do have a hard on for them. They do all they can to ignore the terrorist problem. After Boston most in the media were begging for the terrorist to be a white tea part extremist or something like that. They couldn't stand the idea of another muslim related attack. They would have rather it been a U.S. citizen, one of their own then an outsider. That's pathetic.

As for your comment on the two parents, are you talking about the parents in CA who took their baby from the hospital because they wanted to go to another hospital? If so, those parents were 100% in the right. California has lost its mind.

[spywizard]

I have nothing against any one any gender any persons sexual belief or any persons religious belief
In any walk of life, religion, colour, sexual preference there's people who go against the grain that's always going to happen.
Unfortunately the media has a hard on for the Muslim community right now because of goings on around the world.
But there's another thread going on right now in the lounge about two parents who decided god was better for their children than medicine was.
Its just Islam is the flavour of the day unfortunately and I think that's sad.

what about pedo's and bestiality?? I mean these people don't have a choice oh what they are sexually drawn to.. and in many countires 13 is very legal for sexual activity..

not to throw you under the bus..

[panntastic]

what about pedo's and bestiality?? I mean these people don't have a choice oh what they are sexually drawn to.. and in many countires 13 is very legal for sexual activity..

not to throw you under the bus..

When I said sexual beliefs I meant homo/hetro sexuality not paedo or anything untoward

[cantstopkane]

I've been friends with lots of Muslims, saudi, indonesian, malaysian and filipino.

Side note (I was raised Catholic)

imho It really just comes down to education and indoctrination. If you were uneducated or atleast poorly so and you were taught your whole life to obey the religious leaders and any act or task they set you on is ritious, heroic and good, you might blow yourself up too. Its that easy.

The extreamists use of islam really isnt that much different then fascism. The people are indoctrinated and its too difficult to oppose it when everyone else around you follows blindly.

Show me a suicide bomber with a PhD and ill show you a fanatic

Show me a suicide bomber illiterate teenager and ill show you a pawn who never knew better.

[cantstopkane]

California has lost its mind.

This^ super double big time

[panntastic]

The flavor of the day? You say that like it's all a made up mess. Are there terrorist from all walks of life? Of course, but lets be honest, the vast majority of terrorist attacks today are muslim related. That's just common sense. As for the media, you're right, they do have a hard on for them. They do all they can to ignore the terrorist problem. After Boston most in the media were begging for the terrorist to be a white tea part extremist or something like that. They couldn't stand the idea of another muslim related attack. They would have rather it been a U.S. citizen, one of their own then an outsider. That's pathetic.

As for your comment on the two parents, are you talking about the parents in CA who took their baby from the hospital because they wanted to go to another hospital? If so, those parents were 100% in the right. California has lost its mind.

This is the tread about the parents
http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-l...-medicine.html

You say the majority of terrorist attacks are Muslim but they are the ones you know about.
Its all a media fuelled lie
You only know about what they want you to know about
Lets face it its not hard to turn a story around with a few choice words here or there and if anything Americas media next to our British media is as bad as a state controlled media

[Metalject]

This is the tread about the parents
http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-l...-medicine.html

You say the majority of terrorist attacks are Muslim but they are the ones you know about.
Its all a media fuelled lie
You only know about what they want you to know about
Lets face it its not hard to turn a story around with a few choice words here or there and if anything Americas media next to our British media is as bad as a state controlled media

OK, I wasn't aware of that story. I thought you were referring to this one: http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/a...tor-s-opinion-

Back to the terrorist topic and what you said about the ones we know about, well it's not too hard to know about what's right in front of your face. You can't hide a terrorist act and it's not hard to know who did it when nine times out of ten those responsible come forward and say "yep, we did and here's why."

As for British media, I'm not going to pretend I know anything about that. I don't know how they handle themselves. I have an opinion but I don't keep up with them. In the U.S. overwhelmingly the media seems to give the current government a free pass on everything. How many times have we heard guys like Chris Mathews say things like "DHS said this" and tell us that's the truth because they say it? The media questions nothing anymore. Our own president refuses to acknowledge the war on terror even exist, he claims it's over and refuses to acknowledge the brothers from the Boston incident were muslim fanatics...and no one or rather hardly anyone in the media questions this...they just give his administration a free pass.

Oh, and you can bet every dime you've got that if there were a terrorist attack implemented by any right wing guy in the U.S. or even anything that could slightly be deemed terrorism, the U.S. media would blow that thing up all over the news and crucify him for months on end. They beg for it now. Before we knew who the attackers were in Boston many here in the media were strongly suggesting it was probably a tea part supporter. There was no evidence of this but they wanted it so bad they just said it over and over.

[panntastic]

OK, I wasn't aware of that story. I thought you were referring to this one: http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/a...tor-s-opinion-

Back to the terrorist topic and what you said about the ones we know about, well it's not too hard to know about what's right in front of your face. You can't hide a terrorist act and it's not hard to know who did it when nine times out of ten those responsible come forward and say "yep, we did and here's why."

As for British media, I'm not going to pretend I know anything about that. I don't know how they handle themselves. I have an opinion but I don't keep up with them. In the U.S. overwhelmingly the media seems to give the current government a free pass on everything. How many times have we heard guys like Chris Mathews say things like "DHS said this" and tell us that's the truth because they say it? The media questions nothing anymore. Our own president refuses to acknowledge the war on terror even exist, he claims it's over and refuses to acknowledge the brothers from the Boston incident were muslim fanatics...and no one or rather hardly anyone in the media questions this...they just give his administration a free pass.

Its bad isn't it especially when we both love in free country's

[Metalject]

Its bad isn't it especially when we both love in free country's

I don't think the U.S. can call itself a free country anymore. Freer than many others but nowhere even close to where it was. The saddest or most bothering part about it to me, those who are in their early to mid-20's and younger have no idea what once was...they haven't seen it.

[LGM]

I don't think the U.S. can call itself a free country anymore. Freer than many others but nowhere even close to where it was. The saddest or most bothering part about it to me, those who are in their early to mid-20's and younger have no idea what once was...they haven't seen it.

LOL... Yeah; I long for the days when I had a few blackies pickin cotton and my wimmin were churnin butter, and not workin a job and voting.

Themz were the dayz, man. Themz were the dayz.

[Flagg]

I consider myself fairly tolerant but I just feel jaded by this wave of Islamic fascism, post 911.

The sad reality is politicians and the media won't give a shit about Islam the day the oil runs out.

[LGM]

I consider myself fairly tolerant but I just feel jaded by this wave of Islamic fascism, post 911.

The sad reality is politicians and the media won't give a shit about Islam the day the oil runs out.

The reality is that when we as a nation are "off the juice", the wealth will dry up, and the extremism will get worse. That's a scary thought.

[Flagg]

The reality is that when we as a nation are "off the juice", the wealth will dry up, and the extremism will get worse. That's a scary thought.

The west is addicted to oil. I'm not sure America would go backward, I mean Europe is much older and we're not as religiously inclined as the U.S with the exception of places like Ireland, Spain and Italy.

[LGM]

The west is addicted to oil. I'm not sure America would go backward, I mean Europe is much older and we're not as religiously inclined as the U.S with the exception of places like Ireland, Spain and Italy.

Recent studies have the US being net exporters of oil (and no ME imports) in the next 20 years. Of course, there's always China and India and other developing areas that will buy oil, but if we stop buying from them, their wealth will tank.

I think the ME extremism grows because of the decreasing wealth among the middle class, not necessarily the elites and royal families.

[Flagg]

Recent studies have the US being net exporters of oil (and no ME imports) in the next 20 years. Of course, there's always China and India and other developing areas that will buy oil, but if we stop buying from them, their wealth will tank.

I think the ME extremism grows because of the decreasing wealth among the middle class, not necessarily the elites and royal families.

Have you ever seen the film ...Syriana? Very familiar to what we're talking about.

[Granovich]

im a muslim and i was praying that the guy who did the explosion in boston wont be muslim because alot of people already are afraid and hate Islam because of 0.1% radicals who believe killing innocients is from religion while God stated it very clear in Quran that " if you killed 1 person with no reason ( innocent ) is as of you killed the whole world and if you save life of 1 person is as of you saved the whole world"
all these acts are not from islam , i cant believe how some radicals give green light to kill Christians and Jews while quran mentioned that the are believers and mentioned Jesus and Mouses 100 times more than Mohamad. ( jesus about 25 times and mouses >40 times while mohmamad only like 3-4 times!
its sad and make me so mad
But all that been said i also hate how USA treat others and treat their own people. 2 people die in boston and the whole country is in attention while soldiers in afghanistan and iraq killed thousands by MISTAKE like what happened in Baghdad ABO GHREB prison!! killers who killed 10's of people only got discharged and sent back home.. REALLY!!!!
i remember when i was in Iraq how Soldiers killed 23 civilian in Falouja because their friend ( another solider) died during fight with iraqi army or something
and what they said was that soldiers were mad they lost their friend... 23 people ( women, kids, men) means nothing...
People are people whether american or arabs.. if america showed respect and left these people alone no one would have attacked... but some of these people lost families and they want revenge. so we need to fix our selves before blaming others

just like israel calling Palestinians terrorists while they took their lands and remove it and build settlements . look at pics of Gaza and israelie attacks.. SCARY
they killed so many kids its crazy!!!!
and they say that Palestinians started. well they want their ****in land back LOL...
Israel is a racist country, country based on religion ( jewish country)
how would people feel if there was christian country or muslim country or hindu country ?
its crazy
israel was made in 1948 with help of UK... they even invaded parts of syria "Goulan" that is still taken and israel demolished syran houses and built settlements and got russian jews from russia to live there....
its crazy world

[Metalject]

I've always found the argument that Israel didn't become a nation until 1948 a very weak one, primarily because that's simply not true. Regardless of religious beliefs or lack thereof basic history shows us the Jews occupied that land long before anyone else. Regardless of religious beliefs or a love or hate of Israel history cannot be ignored. Solomon was the king of that land around 950bc, any religious or secular historian knows this and he was the king of Israel. And there were other Jewish men who ruled this land before him, I simply mentioned Solomon because he's one of the most well-known. Based on that you can easily make an argument that in 1948 the Jewish people were the ones who wanted their land back.

[Knockout_Power]

The simple fact is that we will never know the true facts....

We only hear the information that is supportive of whatever the speaker wants their audience to hear.

No one knows where the original disagreement between 2 nations occurred. One side will state they were first shown aggression towards, the other side will state some random instance which was their "reason" to attack and so on...

Im pretty sure most of the shit that happens now adays was the result of someone looking at someone else woman and it was on....

[panntastic]

The simple fact is that we will never know the true facts....

We only hear the information that is supportive of whatever the speaker wants their audience to hear.

No one knows where the original disagreement between 2 nations occurred. One side will state they were first shown aggression towards, the other side will state some random instance which was their "reason" to attack and so on...

Im pretty sure most of the shit that happens now adays was the result of someone looking at someone else woman and it was on....

Exactly what I was saying
You never know what's happened but only what's reported

[tigerspawn]

I have nothing against any one any gender any persons sexual belief or any persons religious belief
In any walk of life, religion, colour, sexual preference there's people who go against the grain that's always going to happen.
Unfortunately the media has a hard on for the Muslim community right now because of goings on around the world.
Its just Islam is the flavour of the day unfortunately and I think that's sad.

I agree. Very well said. The media always has to pick someone to try and focus all the ugliness and negativity of humanity against. The Muslims are just the latest victim.

[Honkey_Kong]

I just find Islam to be bullshit. Just like I find Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, etc to be people thousands of years ago who were talking out of their asses. And I really can't respect somebody's beliefs in it either. I mean how can I respect somebody's opinion on religious matters, when they believe in The Invisible Man that nobody alive has ever seen or heard from.

I just wish fundamental Muslims, Jews, Christians, etc would all just STFU and keep their religions to themselves. If people would just mind their own business and let other people go to hell if they wish, we'd all get along a lot better.

[panntastic]

I just find Islam to be bullshit. Just like I find Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, etc to be people thousands of years ago who were talking out of their asses. And I really can't respect somebody's beliefs in it either. I mean how can I respect somebody's opinion on religious matters, when they believe in The Invisible Man that nobody alive has ever seen or heard from.

I just wish fundamental Muslims, Jews, Christians, etc would all just STFU and keep their religions to themselves. If people would just mind their own business and let other people go to hell if they wish, we'd all get along a lot better.

I agree with you to a certain extent and this conversation topic has been exhausted here so many times.
But for your average non extremist religious believer such as BG a devout Christian man, lives his life the way he sees he has to and doesn't force religious crap down your throat.
Infact i never realised we had so many devout religious people on the board and as long as they are happy then that's cool with me.

Its when somebody's religious or any other belief hurts/harms/endangers the lives of other people innocent to the event is where I draw the line

To many people in history have lost their lives or maimed In the name of religion and its stupid and pointless and a waste of life

[Honkey_Kong]

I agree with you to a certain extent and this conversation topic has been exhausted here so many times.
But for your average non extremist religious believer such as BG a devout Christian man, lives his life the way he sees he has to and doesn't force religious crap down your throat.
Infact i never realised we had so many devout religious people on the board and as long as they are happy then that's cool with me.

Its when somebody's religious or any other belief hurts/harms/endangers the lives of other people innocent to the event is where I draw the line

To many people in history have lost their lives or maimed In the name of religion and its stupid and pointless and a waste of life

That's exactly my point, if more people were like him and didn't push their faith down people's throats it'd be a lot better world we live in.

Still though, I just don't understand in present world how somebody can believe in anything. I really kind of would like to hear the Muslim perspective on this. Like why do they feel they believe?

[DSM4Life]

If panntastic doesn't have to read it then neither am I.

[panntastic]

If panntastic doesn't have to read it then neither am I.

You make your own mind up buddy but I hate any sort of small mindedness whether it be against a race a colour a gender or homosexuals in this day and age there is no need.
We are all the same regardless of belief.
We all bleed red

[Metalject]

I agree. Very well said. The media always has to pick someone to try and focus all the ugliness and negativity of humanity against. The Muslims are just the latest victim.

The majority of the negative attention is focused on them because they're the ones trying to blow up and kill the majority of people. Yes, the majority of muslims aren't trying to kill everyone but according to this and other studies more than 25% believe the radical jihad is just and 25%+ of 1.5 billion people is a whole mess of people.

What makes it worse or harder to spot is that often they're hard to spot. Think about it, every terrorist attack over the last decade when people are interviewed about them, people that know them they'll say he seemed like such a normal nice guy. That's what's always said.

[Metalject]

You make your own mind up buddy but I hate any sort of small mindedness whether it be against a race a colour a gender or homosexuals in this day and age there is no need.
We are all the same regardless of belief.
We all bleed red

Small mindedness is annoying, regardless of what the topic has to do with. We're supposed to question things, all things, even our own beliefs. However, your comment "this day and age" reminds me of a thought I've had for a long time. We often pride ourselves in being intellectually advanced. Throughout history every society has done this and we often look at our ancestors as being far more small minded than us, but I don't believe this to be the truth. Sure, we continually become more technologically advanced. Society is always learning new things and improving on those things but when it comes to the nature of man it's the same and has always been the same. The nature of man is not good, it's selfish and evil and has always been. It's only through self-regulation that man can do good things. Now how he self-regulates can differ but doing so is against his natural instinct.

Anyway...question everything. One of my favorite quotes of all time by Jefferson that says it all IMO: "Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear."

[Shol'va]

[QUOTE=cantstopkane;6521083]I've been friends with lots of Muslims, saudi, indonesian, malaysian and filipino.

Side note (I was raised Catholic)

imho It really just comes down to education and indoctrination. If you were uneducated or atleast poorly so and you were taught your whole life to obey the religious leaders and any act or task they set you on is ritious, heroic and good, you might blow yourself up too. Its that easy.

The extreamists use of islam really isnt that much different then fascism. The people are indoctrinated and its too difficult to oppose it when everyone else around you follows blindly.

Show me a suicide bomber with a PhD and ill show you a fanatic

Show me a suicide bomber illiterate teenager and ill show you a pawn who never knew better.[/QUOTE]

And what I find crazy also is that these teens think they are getting to heaven with 72 virgins awaiting them for their sexual pleasure. What they fail to realize is that once they get their, that they are in spiritual bodies and without the physical use or need of sex recreation or procreation. So those 72 virgins promised by their twisted mullahs are useless for those horned up boys. Wow what a surprise for them when they get there huh? But then that is why those mullahs use those illiterate kids for their dirty deeds so they wont think about the bigger picture and are only thinking about all that sex they will never ever have.

[Shol'va]

what about pedo's and bestiality?? I mean these people don't have a choice oh what they are sexually drawn to.. and in many countires 13 is very legal for sexual activity..

not to throw you under the bus..

[tigerspawn]

The majority of the negative attention is focused on them because they're the ones trying to blow up and kill the majority of people. Yes, the majority of muslims aren't trying to kill everyone but according to this and other studies more than 25% believe the radical jihad is just and 25%+ of 1.5 billion people is a whole mess of people.

“Who Speaks for Islam? What a Billion Muslims Really Think is based on six years of research and more than 50,000 interviews representing 1.3 billion Muslims who reside in more than 35 nations that are predominantly Muslim or have sizable Muslim populations. Representing more than 90% of the world's Muslim community, this poll is the largest, most comprehensive study of its kind. The results defy conventional wisdom and the inevitability of a global conflict – even as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan continue.”

“The study revealed some surprising findings. It showed that Muslims and Americans are equally likely to reject attacks on civilians as morally unjustifiable. Those who do choose violence and extremism are driven by politics, not poverty or piety. In fact, of the 7 percent of responders who did believe 9/11 was justified, none of them hated our freedom; they want our freedom.”

“The West will be pleased to learn that nine out of ten Muslims are moderates – good news for those optimistic about co-existence. Muslims say the most important thing Westerners can do to improve relations with their societies is to change their negative views toward Muslims, respect Islam and re-evaluate foreign policies.”

“The unfortunate news is that there is a large number of politically radicalised Muslims (the 7 percent previously mentioned, which translates to approximately 91 million individuals) that could be pushed to support or perpetrate violence against civilians. Challenges for the West will only grow as long as these Muslims continue to feel politically dominated and disregarded.”


FAQs for Who Speaks for Islam?
Here is video based on same Gallup poll

[Shol'va]

I think more Americans are enlightened to the fact that it isn't the entire koran loving muslims that want us all dead, but rather a minority of twisted stupid fvcks that use the koran out of context to justify their idiotic thinking of the way all life should be on earth. Funny thing is that these same stupid idiots never follow the koran at all and even go against it's very teachings in their every day lives as they watch porn and have sex out of wedlock and drink and do drugs. But yet they want to blow us up because we aren't following their religion? It's just another case of do what we say and not as we do.... What a bunch of losers. But they are still deadly and must be treated as such. Our biggest hope is to get the mostly moderate muslims to help us to point out and either lock up the radicals or kill them before they kill us. Or possibly educate them so they can see we aren't the enemy of their religion, even though their version is so twisted. The radical ones twisted version that is...

[Shol'va]

Now For Some Wild Posters...

[tigerspawn]

every day lives as they watch porn and have sex out of wedlock and drink and do drugs.

Are you saying that they are sexually frustrated? Then they get high and blow themselves up in order to have 72 virgins? They must be desperate if they want to have sex with virgins. I would rather have sex with an experience woman. They know how to work it. Who wants to have sex with a virgin that just lays there and complains that it hurts? How old are these virgins anyway? Most virgins are young. Does this mean that Muslims are pedophiles? Guess they could be adult virgins. Damn, have you ever seen an adult virgin? There is a reason they are virgins. Can you say FUGLY? Maybe that’s why they wear veils.

[Honkey_Kong]

Are you saying that they are sexually frustrated? Then they get high and blow themselves up in order to have 72 virgins? They must be desperate if they want to have sex with virgins. I would rather have sex with an experience woman. They know how to work it. Who wants to have sex with a virgin that just lays there and complains that it hurts? How old are these virgins anyway? Most virgins are young. Does this mean that Muslims are pedophiles? Guess they could be adult virgins. Damn, have you ever seen an adult virgin? There is a reason they are virgins. Can you say FUGLY? Maybe that’s why they wear veils.

Uhhhh isn't that the best part?

[Shol'va]

Are you saying that they are sexually frustrated? Then they get high and blow themselves up in order to have 72 virgins? They must be desperate if they want to have sex with virgins. I would rather have sex with an experience woman. They know how to work it. Who wants to have sex with a virgin that just lays there and complains that it hurts? How old are these virgins anyway? Most virgins are young. Does this mean that Muslims are pedophiles? Guess they could be adult virgins. Damn, have you ever seen an adult virgin? There is a reason they are virgins. Can you say FUGLY? Maybe that’s why they wear veils.

All good points..