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    Ok given the fact that I can't stand politics. Can someone please explain to me (without telling me blame stories from Media) why Trump is better choice for USA? And how a common middle class family would be better off with him as president. I don't watch news cause there is lot of propaganda and I loose track of who is right or wrong. Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by calgarian View Post
    Ok given the fact that I can't stand politics. Can someone please explain to me (without telling me blame stories from Media) why Trump is better choice for USA? And how a common middle class family would be better off with him as president. I don't watch news cause there is lot of propaganda and I loose track of who is right or wrong. Thank you
    Because trump is not a Democrat plain and simple. Middle class is raped of hard earned money and the money is handed to lazy no good pieces of shit. In the mean time I can't afford health insurance or go to a doctor period because of the AFFORDABLE CARE ACT. Donald will repeal the act and he will cut welfare. These little bastard are running around with everything handed to them while I bust my ass to buy it for them. He will form ********s with Russia rather than Piss them off the way hillary would have and hopefully he will build a big god damn wall between us and mexico. I can't afford to pay for the lazy fucks already here we don't need more. This country was founded on the simple principle that you are on your fucking own here and no one is gonna pay your way. Freedom is and always will be harder than socialism. I just want the non hackers to get the fuck out now so I can return to my beautiful capitalism and not be robbed by the pieces of waste and leeches. You are welcome.
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    I hear this outcry in this country... we are poor help us! No you are god damn lazy and no one should be forced to help you. Hack it or go to Canada. Canada already practices the shit you want.
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    Cause trump says fuck globalism and fuck bad American trade deals. He will run
    The US as a for profit business and the American people are the shareholders he is responsible too.

    If your are really interested checkout brietbart dot c o m
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    America as a for profit business... that makes me horny! Reminds me of the closing lines of Brad pitt in, " killing them softly"..... NOW FUCKING PAY ME!

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    Quote Originally Posted by calgarian View Post
    Ok given the fact that I can't stand politics. Can someone please explain to me (without telling me blame stories from Media) why Trump is better choice for USA? And how a common middle class family would be better off with him as president. I don't watch news cause there is lot of propaganda and I loose track of who is right or wrong. Thank you
    I will copy and paste a comment I made somewhere else. On that topic. It's hardly worth the finger strength anymore which all the bitter people around about it. Not on here but Facebook mainly
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    Quote Originally Posted by calgarian View Post
    Ok given the fact that I can't stand politics. Can someone please explain to me (without telling me blame stories from Media) why Trump is better choice for USA? And how a common middle class family would be better off with him as president. I don't watch news cause there is lot of propaganda and I loose track of who is right or wrong. Thank you
    To be frank neither candidate was a better choice when it comes to helping the middle class and it will continue to shrink over the new administration.

    The most important aspect of this election was Supreme Court appointees.

    There is currently a 4-4 liberal conservative split currently in the court and there is one vacancy.

    Over the course of the next few years there will be likely be another appointee for justice Ginsburg's position and possibly also for Kennedy's and/or Breyer's position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbere View Post
    To be frank neither candidate was a better choice when it comes to helping the middle class and it will continue to shrink over the new administration.

    The most important aspect of this election was Supreme Court appointees.

    There is currently a 4-4 liberal conservative split currently in the court and there is one vacancy.

    Over the course of the next few years there will be likely be another appointee for justice Ginsburg's position and possibly also for Kennedy's and/or Breyer's position.
    I respectfully disagree. Trump is much better for the middle upper middle and higher classes. He will be better for business owners especially small. As soon as the affordable care act is put down he will have already saved me a shit ton of money.

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    Do not confuse poor with middle. 100K per year and up is middle class. Less than that and they are just bitching about taxes they get back at the end of the year. It's when you watch 25 grand leave your pocket and go to the non hackers you start getting upset. Especially owning your own business. If you don't show a loss they will rape you. Trump is gonna shit on the "POOR".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    I respectfully disagree. Trump is much better for the middle upper middle and higher classes. He will be better for business owners especially small. As soon as the affordable care act is put down he will have already saved me a shit ton of money.
    Anything the new administration passes is only temporary besides appointing Supreme Court Justices.

    No offense but that's more important in the grand scheme of things than your taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbere View Post
    Anything the new administration passes is only temporary besides appointing Supreme Court Justices.

    No offense but that's more important in the grand scheme of things than your taxes.
    I agree the justices are very important. Taxes at this point though are just as important. A liberal will not be appointed under trump with the Senate we have. Under hillary that is all that would have been nominated. Money is what makes the political process. Taxes are always the top issue. Where are they coming from and who is controlling them. Justices define law via case history. The people making the laws and leaving or not leaving gray areas, are more important. Trump is better in every way for the middle class. I believe this grand twat can turn us back into a business, rather than continue as a slave driven charity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbere View Post
    Anything the new administration passes is only temporary besides appointing Supreme Court Justices.

    No offense but that's more important in the grand scheme of things than your taxes.
    I also disagree, lowering the corporate tax from 35% to 15% will bring trillions of capital and lost tax revenue back. Companies will no longer have to hide money off shore and show "loses," on the books to avoid an outrageously high corporate tax, which is by far the highest in the world.

    That money and new opportunity will make American corporations much more competitive with the rest of the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    I also disagree, lowering the corporate tax from 35% to 15% will bring trillions of capital and lost tax revenue back. Companies will no longer have to hide money off shore and show "loses," on the books to avoid an outrageously high corporate tax, which is by far the highest in the world.

    That money and new opportunity will make American corporations much more competitive with the rest of the world.
    That's great for large corporations.

    We'll have to wait and see if they pass those savings down to middle class workers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbere View Post
    That's great for large corporations.

    We'll have to wait and see if they pass those savings down to middle class workers.
    It's also great for small corporations. My business is an S-corp, if my tax rate was lowered even 10% I could hire another employee that I can't afford now and give myself a raise with what's left over.
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    Thank you guys now here is another twist what does it mean for Canadian middle class who is here on work visa? Yeah I pay my taxes and my own health care so now what it means for me ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by calgarian View Post
    Thank you guys now here is another twist what does it mean for Canadian middle class who is here on work visa? Yeah I pay my taxes and my own health care so now what it means for me ?
    I can't imagine it affecting you much if any.

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    Quote Originally Posted by calgarian View Post
    Thank you guys now here is another twist what does it mean for Canadian middle class who is here on work visa? Yeah I pay my taxes and my own health care so now what it means for me ?
    Nothing!!!! You are a legal worker

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    It's also great for small corporations. My business is an S-corp, if my tax rate was lowered even 10% I could hire another employee that I can't afford now and give myself a raise with what's left over.
    That's great and I hope you do pay lower taxes on your business, but the average American is not a business owner.

    Look, I voted for Trump purely with my second amendment rights in mind.

    I just think it's a stretch to say that he or HRC care for the middle class or will do anything to help their financial situation.

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    Trump is the man. He realises that forced multiCulturalism does not work. He realises that islam is a threat to world stability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by numbere View Post
    That's great and I hope you do pay lower taxes on your business, but the average American is not a business owner.

    Look, I voted for Trump purely with my second amendment rights in mind.

    I just think it's a stretch to say that he or HRC care for the middle class or will do anything to help their financial situation.
    What is good for business is good for the average American employee. Let me assure you if it hurts me my employees will get less. I'm not going to strive three times as hard as my employees and watch them do better than me. That is a socialistic mindset. I built my business. No one "did it for me" as Obama would say. It's my ass at the end of the day, My investment, and my employees will suffer with me. It's the frame of mind that the employee is the most important, that has totally fucked us up. The employee is replaceable quickly. The business that employs them is not nearly as readily replaceable. Business doing good is employees doing good and there is no other way. IMHO (I have no idea what that means but I'm pretty sure it means I can say anything and no one can be offended) Fuck a bunch of politics. Time to lift and eat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by numbere
    That's great and I hope you do pay lower taxes on your business, but the average American is not a business owner. Look, I voted for Trump purely with my second amendment rights in mind. I just think it's a stretch to say that he or HRC care for the middle class or will do anything to help their financial situation.
    Same here in regards to the second amendment and Supreme Court justices

    I also voted for Trump because of all the corruption behind Clinton plus her husband was impeached as our President. Would have been us slapping ourselves in the face if he was back in the White House

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euroholic View Post
    Trump is the man. He realises that forced multiCulturalism does not work. He realises that islam is a threat to world stability.
    Now the way you said that Islam is threat to world I have issue with. Did you mean to say radical Muslims? I don't think any religion is threat to anybody unless it's dealt with assholes claiming to belonging to that. Let's face it, Every religion have asshole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbere View Post
    That's great for large corporations.

    We'll have to wait and see if they pass those savings down to middle class workers.
    Now let me ask you a dumb question. Why would he lower taxes? He is a billionaire why should he care about middle class? Not trying to piss off anyone just asking question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    I can't imagine it affecting you much if any.
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    Nothing!!!! You are a legal worker
    So what's all the fuss about immegrents are bad and kick them out and what if they are legal immigrants and their religion happens to be Islam ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    It's also great for small corporations. My business is an S-corp, if my tax rate was lowered even 10% I could hire another employee that I can't afford now and give myself a raise with what's left over.
    Dang man we should talk I am turning my llc to Scorp next month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by calgarian View Post
    Now the way you said that Islam is threat to world I have issue with. Did you mean to say radical Muslims? I don't think any religion is threat to anybody unless it's dealt with assholes claiming to belonging to that. Let's face it, Every religion have asshole.
    Yes, all religions have zealots but just not to the same extent as Islam. Nor do other religions preach violence to that extent. I believe there are over a hundred verses in the Koran that preach violence to any non-believers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Yes, all religions have zealots but just not to the same extent as Islam. Nor do other religions preach violence to that extent. I believe there are over a hundred verses in the Koran that preach violence to any non-believers.
    I am just going to respectfully disagree and leave it that. Otherwise this thread will go to a different direction and I just want to know what all the fuss about Trump getting elected. Thanks You for your input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marsoc View Post
    I will copy and paste a comment I made somewhere else. On that topic. It's hardly worth the finger strength anymore which all the bitter people around about it. Not on here but Facebook mainly
    I think this is it...

    "Right I have no clue what's the truth or not or if any president will ever be effective. But with that said. Who cares what trump says. It sucks and I changed my ways from what we are born Into and hard wired for such as using racist terms and whatever. I believe we should make an effort each day do love. Help others and build relationships. With god , family and friends ..if nothing else. And expect nothing in return.

    With that said I can care less about someones harsh words if that means he will be productive and efficient in "making America good again " a place to be proud of. At least he says real shit opposed to Hillary that is corrupt and deceptive and can't believe anything she says. Cuz if her views are an example of us the people then that sucks ..she doesn't not represent anything besides the problem with this government I think

    Then again I don't know what to think. It's all bashing and all elections are the same. We end up with a scape goat with hardly any power. Fucking Congress. Or like someone told me they have all these plans and the moment they are elected ..they are briefed on all the top secrete Intel that only the president can get and then most their plans probably go out the Window. I hate debating politics cuz its a bunch of crap no one can be certain about. Pray for god's will and that it is good for us lol"
    This is kind of why I picked him. Because him compared to a lady who's life is politics and corrupts at that. Two face shit she says opposing what she said before. And deceptive garbage and all that. Saying she's against Wall Street yet they are the ones who fund her campaign. Blah blah. There's even a video of Obama trash talking Hillary and how she can't be trusted. But then here he is supporting her saying the opposite.
    She was kicked out of the office during water gate scandal because they said she tried to manipulate the system couldn't be trusted. Etcetc.

    Pretty much is why I don't. Trust her as far as I can throw her.

    I'll rather have a straight forward man. That's might say some harsh things. Opposed to that rotten garbage politician.
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    So what's all the fuss about immegrents are bad and kick them out and what if they are legal immigrants and their religion happens to be Islam ?
    You are a non resident working here. If you come here set up residency and have government assistance, I do not want you here either. Millions of people bringing their foreign ideals, drugs, cime, and leeching off the government, (me) is not ok. Never will be. I live in the United States not mexico. Been to Los Angeles lately and looked at the Hispanic population? I can't remember who did the vast majority of LA (or cali) vote for? Do you catch my drift? We are systematically letting freedom and capitalism and independence, be swarmed by vultures. They are carrying off my shit. That is the fuss. Yes build a big goddam wall loaded with Vulcan cannons, firing depleted uranium.
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    I can't believe I just seen a video of muslims attacking a chirstmass tree. Don't you dare want to come here to America and Trenton change it to better fit ur religion or your bullshit ideals. If that's the case. Don't leave your country. We can't say the pledge of allegiance in school but we can favor every ideal of muslims etc. fuck that. And tell you what . I sure hope trump puts his white ass American foot down on all that shit.

    They pray to Allah that I'm not around when doing shit like that to the Christmas tree ..I don't care if Christmas is Americanized or whatver. It's what I grew up with. Family and friends together celebrating and loving each other. Yes in christs name. Yes as an American ..polish American lol and that's goes for other things. Get it clear that i a man not what the media projects or what the government says. The real people of America are not shallow hollow garbage disposals. There are good humble hard working solid people of faith, love and family.
    Sure we all have are bad ones lol ya know
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    Quote Originally Posted by calgarian View Post
    Now let me ask you a dumb question. Why would he lower taxes? He is a billionaire why should he care about middle class? Not trying to piss off anyone just asking question.
    He'll lower taxes for the wealthy and large businesses because Republicans mostly believe in trickle down economics.

    Many great economists believe everyone would benefit if the corporate income tax were zero percent.

    Not to be facetious but he should care about the middle class because he's president elect of the United States.

    If you were in the middle class, but changed income levels, you're either wealthy or live in poverty.

    Unfortunately, it's likely the latter in today's society.

    It should be noted that in the last quarter job growth and economic growth are both up so he has positive momentum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    You are a non resident working here. If you come here set up residency and have government assistance, I do not want you here either. Millions of people bringing their foreign ideals, drugs, cime, and leeching off the government, (me) is not ok. Never will be. I live in the United States not mexico. Been to Los Angeles lately and looked at the Hispanic population? I can't remember who did the vast majority of LA (or cali) vote for? Do you catch my drift? We are systematically letting freedom and capitalism and independence, be swarmed by vultures. They are carrying off my shit. That is the fuss. Yes build a big goddam wall loaded with Vulcan cannons, firing depleted uranium.

    Haha right that's what I said. lol set up machine gun nests and turrets. Lol. The the aliens want to come here illegal Y and drain OUR welfare system and social security. Lol. Get the funk outa here ..believe me I'm all about helping and love but there comes a point where there needs to be order and kill the chaos of people taking advantage for their own selfish needs and ideals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbere View Post
    He'll lower taxes for the wealthy and large businesses because Republicans mostly believe in trickle down economics.

    Many great economists believe everyone would benefit if the corporate income tax were zero percent.

    Not to be facetious but he should care about the middle class because he's president elect of the United States.

    If you were in the middle class, but changed income levels, you're either wealthy or live in poverty.

    Unfortunately, it's likely the latter in today's society.

    It should be noted that in the last quarter job growth and economic growth are both up so he has positive momentum.
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    When America was being built. Aside form the start when the heads of the industry where starting and building the foundation. There was a point when the workers I.e the middle class demanded higher pay etc. I.e unions.

    When the big wigs started taking care of the middle class .aside from the start of the capitalism when they strengthened the middle class is when the big wigs gained most propet


    Middle class is very important. It's what the country is lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marsoc View Post
    I can't believe I just seen a video of muslims attacking a chirstmass tree. Don't you dare want to come here to America and Trenton change it to better fit ur religion or your bullshit ideals. If that's the case. Don't leave your country. We can't say the pledge of allegiance in school but we can favor every ideal of muslims etc. fuck that. And tell you what . I sure hope trump puts his white ass American foot down on all that shit.

    They pray to Allah that I'm not around when doing shit like that to the Christmas tree ..I don't care if Christmas is Americanized or whatver. It's what I grew up with. Family and friends together celebrating and loving each other. Yes in christs name. Yes as an American ..polish American lol and that's goes for other things. Get it clear that i a man not what the media projects or what the government says. The real people of America are not shallow hollow garbage disposals. There are good humble hard working solid people of faith, love and family.
    Sure we all have are bad ones lol ya know
    Polish eh? jak się masz? I do have problems like this. Here is my understanding things like xmas, eid(Muslim religious event) hunika(sp?) are for kids for families and helping poor and if I get a chance to do that I don't care whose religion it belongs to and I will do it. Here is the kicker Muslims believe in Jesus as well without they are not Muslim . That right there bunch of them attacking the celebration for his birth tells u how much they know.
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    Ok so let me sum it up. Please tell me if I am wrong. So you guys don't like immigrants who are burden on the system, trump promised to get rid of them. He wants to get USA out of agreements like NAFTA so the country is profitable like a business would. He would also lower taxes. So it's wait and see game. Did I get it right so far?

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    Quote Originally Posted by calgarian View Post
    Polish eh? jak się masz? I do have problems like this. Here is my understanding things like xmas, eid(Muslim religious event) hunika(sp?) are for kids for families and helping poor and if I get a chance to do that I don't care whose religion it belongs to and I will do it. Here is the kicker Muslims believe in Jesus as well without they are not Muslim . That right there bunch of them attacking the celebration for his birth tells u how much they know.
    I dont know much polish lol. My Grand parents parents were from there. I wasn't lol. i wish I knew it more fluently.
    No offense but it's just like the blacks here. All black people arent bad. But the culture they have. Teaches them the shit they act out on that's I cringe at. The culture. Just like the culture of muslims teaches their youth garbage.
    Yeah Jews believe in Jesus just that his role wasn't as important kind of. Yeh I don't get it people. But I guess I have to be open becuase to be Christian is all about my actions and I shouldn't hate because people aren't ignorant and arrogant
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    Quote Originally Posted by calgarian View Post
    Ok so let me sum it up. Please tell me if I am wrong. So you guys don't like immigrants who are burden on the system, trump promised to get rid of them. He wants to get USA out of agreements like NAFTA so the country is profitable like a business would. He would also lower taxes. So it's wait and see game. Did I get it right so far?
    Like I said. I have no idea what the presidents ever do or don't do. My teacher mentioned this possibly. I'm sure the president when elected and in office. They probably get briefed on all the top secrete stuff the president can only receive and when they get this Intel..I'm sure a lot of what they said when running their election campaign goes out the window. Cuz that intell changes things up. Ya know.

    Yeah we will wait and see. Nobody knows

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marsoc View Post
    I dont know much polish lol. My Grand parents parents were from there. I wasn't lol. i wish I knew it more fluently.
    No offense but it's just like the blacks here. All black people arent bad. But the culture they have. Teaches them the shit they act out on that's I cringe at. The culture. Just like the culture of muslims teaches their youth garbage.
    Yeah Jews believe in Jesus just that his role wasn't as important kind of. Yeh I don't get it people. But I guess I have to be open becuase to be Christian is all about my actions and I shouldn't hate because people aren't ignorant and arrogant
    See now u hit it. It's not Islam it's the culture that extremists created and its turning ppl against a religion or a in your example color but that's the discussion for another thread. Damn what kind of polish are you? I dated a polish girl and got that and "I love u" in polish and u don't even know that? Shame on u lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marsoc View Post
    Like I said. I have no idea what the presidents ever do or don't do. My teacher mentioned this possibly. I'm sure the president when elected and in office. They probably get briefed on all the top secrete stuff the president can only receive and when they get this Intel..I'm sure a lot of what they said when running their election campaign goes out the window. Cuz that intell changes things up. Ya know.

    Yeah we will wait and see. Nobody knows
    My thoughts exactly what was said during elections and what's done can be different but I m assuming that these are the reason ppl like him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by calgarian View Post
    Ok so let me sum it up. Please tell me if I am wrong. So you guys don't like immigrants who are burden on the system, trump promised to get rid of them. He wants to get USA out of agreements like NAFTA so the country is profitable like a business would. He would also lower taxes. So it's wait and see game. Did I get it right so far?
    Eh I could care less about immigrants as long as they're in school or employed.

    My biggest concern in this election was keeping all our second amendment rights.

    You should understand that short of executive order everything Trump wants to do has to first pass through the House and Senate before it takes affect.

    Since the Republicans control all three houses they can pass anything thay want as long as they work together.

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