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    Our education system

    I have been thinking a lot about this lately. I worry about our country in the way of our education system.
    Why can't we be the leader of the world in education? Is it laziness? Is it our faults as parents? Is it the teachers? Is it our government? Is it Hollywood feeding our kids a full dose of shit in almost every show on television?
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    Its about control
    The education system for most people is a system on how to function in society meaning "be programmed since birth for slavery in a career"
    The majority of the stuff they teach you in school and what parents teach their own kids is false these days and its just simple programming

    Why doesn't it get better? Because they whoever is at the top has been dumbing down the population for the past few hundred years
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    They stopped teaching cursive, that's when I gave up...
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    Morals decline with society.

    The moral are the strong that build and we will pick up the destruction of these animals and watch them fade away. This wont be the first time this scenario played out.
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    new gov in florida just did away with common core.

    look that shit up and u will really think our school systems are fvcked.

    love the new gov in florida, guy is kicking ass

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    Core math?
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    Schools should be privatized, and let them compete against each other. I loved the idea of a school voucher. Take your tax money and let the free market compete for your kids and dollars. That would shape up the system over night. It wouldnít be a perfect system of course but heads above where we are at now.

    Secondly, I think the education needs to be more focused at the local level. Less federal red tape and PC cultural oversight. Be able to fire bad employees and be able to move troubled and at risk kids to other systems that would better benefit them. Imagine a system where kids actually faced consequence if they donít do their homework or show up to school. And parents too, the mom and dad need to take ownership of their kids development first and foremost. I see that being the major cultural change. It use to be Parents and teachers, worked as a team to develop their kids. Now it seems itís kids and parents Vs. the teach and school. Imagine if the average family just took an hour each week night to do homework and self study together. It would make a world of difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    They stopped teaching cursive, that's when I gave up...
    Yep. They don't need it to text.
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    You all bring up great points. This is a tough one. 20th year as a HS teacher here (public school, very good district). I'll certainly be seeing things a bit differently.

    Here would be a normal classroom today at my very good district. 35-40 kids forced into a class meant for 30. 5 students would not be fluent in English & have to modify for them. Maybe 1-2 speak little to no English and hopefully you have a translator and/or they show up.

    Many classes will have a deaf student needing a sign language specialist, so the teacher has to modify lecture plus come up with additional materials. Perhaps a blind student or one with significant visual difficulties (has a personal aide), but the teacher makes more adjustments. Perhaps 1 or more autistic students to the degree that they are crawling beneath desks (another aide) or screaming.

    More later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Proximal View Post
    You all bring up great points. This is a tough one. 20th year as a HS teacher here (public school, very good district). I'll certainly be seeing things a bit differently.

    Here would be a normal classroom today at my very good district. 35-40 kids forced into a class meant for 30. 5 students would not be fluent in English & have to modify for them. Maybe 1-2 speak little to no English and hopefully you have a translator and/or they show up.

    Many classes will have a deaf student needing a sign language specialist, so the teacher has to modify lecture plus come up with additional materials. Perhaps a blind student or one with significant visual difficulties (has a personal aide), but the teacher makes more adjustments. Perhaps 1 or more autistic students to the degree that they are crawling beneath desks (another aide) or screaming.

    More later.
    I taught high school science for a year doing an outr reach program. Mostly Taught college course both fresh/soph. I can’t imagine the changes you’ve seen over the last 20 years. I was fortunate in that once you get to the college level most of those kids wanted to be there. It was very challenging creating unique content, staying engaged and engaging the students. It was one of the most challenging and intellectually stimulating things I’ve ever done. I’ve got mad respect for teachers. I personally do not think teach get paid enough no matter what they are making...
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    Quote Originally Posted by KennyJ View Post
    I have been thinking a lot about this lately. I worry about our country in the way of our education system.
    Why can't we be the leader of the world in education? Is it laziness? Is it our faults as parents? Is it the teachers? Is it our government? Is it Hollywood feeding our kids a full dose of shit in almost every show on television?
    What issues do you have in particular Kenny? Anything needs improving, but got some definites? Can't speak much on AAS, but can definitely shed some light on this enormous can of worms.

    Hey, China is trying to bump us from the #1 spot in the world - yet they send their kids here for an education.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    I taught high school science for a year doing an outr reach program. Mostly Taught college course both fresh/soph. I canít imagine the changes youíve seen over the last 20 years. I was fortunate in that once you get to the college level most of those kids wanted to be there. It was very challenging creating unique content, staying engaged and engaging the students. It was one of the most challenging and intellectually stimulating things Iíve ever done. Iíve got mad respect for teachers. I personally do not think teach get paid enough no matter what they are making...
    TY. BTW, didn't want to come off as being defensive, thought you might be surprised what you find in a typical classroom. I've had 5 different languages spoke & no interpreter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Proximal View Post
    TY. BTW, didn't want to come off as being defensive, thought you might be surprised what you find in a typical classroom. I've had 5 different languages spoke & no interpreter.
    I didn’t take it that way. You summed it up perfectly. I hope I didn’t come off anti-teach or anti-school. Moreso I think when you have a large public school and a large bureaucracy. The Administrator and not the teach is the focus of the resources. When getting and retaining good teachers and having small administrator staff should be the focus. Which is why I would like to see a system based moreso on the free market principles. Which I would think would raise the wages of teachers, enhance resources but also demand more accountability out of both admin and staff.
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    This conversation is getting in depth....

    Thank God I never attended school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    This conversation is getting in depth....

    Thank God I never attended school.
    Well judging by some of your posts, I'd say you share some of that genius gene that your sister has.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    I didnít take it that way. You summed it up perfectly. I hope I didnít come off anti-teach or anti-school. Moreso I think when you have a large public school and a large bureaucracy. The Administrator and not the teach is the focus of the resources. When getting and retaining good teachers and having small administrator staff should be the focus. Which is why I would like to see a system based moreso on the free market principles. Which I would think would raise the wages of teachers, enhance resources but also demand more accountability out of both admin and staff.
    Didn't take it that way at all.

    On on hand it definitely could be improved, but on the other hand - considering the quantity of kids it serves of so many nationalities, personal limitations (so many kids now have IEPs or individualized educational plans) of flat out disabilities - I'm amazed on how it can stay afloat.

    We do have a smaller school district that I think keeps the quality higher & is more attractive to parents. The ironic side to that is now lower economic families try to eek out a living here to get there kids in our district, thus more kids that can't speak English, more kids that need free lunches & more personal problems (such as coming from homeless families or severely poor students). Those personal problems significantly impact the students ability to learn & function in a classroom. But the additional downside is how much more time and energy (and $) that needs to be spent on that one kid. The motto in today's educational system is that "no child gets left behind". The $ and time that that takes for those "special" kids drains those from the "normal" population and it is showing.
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    I can go the hard-core, almost fascist route here.

    Think of how many families immigrate here so that their kids can get a free education.

    Think of how many families use the schools as a free baby-sitting service so they can do what-ever the hell they want with their day, while we keep their kids off of the streets. And of course if they do work, particularly in the case of a single parent, having someplace safe for their kid to stay during the day is an absolute necessity.

    Think of how many kids are born frivolously with the knowledge that we the people will educate them for free. And also provide them with free sports programs & training facilities necessary for college scholarships & professional athletic careers.

    How many meals do we provide kids in schools, because their parents donít have the means?

    Maybe, just maybe, no longer make education free. Maybe, just maybe if the student requires more time, assistance & money in the case of language barriers, charge that family extra. Charge for sports programs. So, essentially, if you donít have the financial means to have a child, then donít.

    Knowledge is power & we are giving it away for free. Is it time to go draconian?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Proximal View Post
    What issues do you have in particular Kenny? Anything needs improving, but got some definites? Can't speak much on AAS, but can definitely shed some light on this enormous can of worms.

    Hey, China is trying to bump us from the #1 spot in the world - yet they send their kids here for an education.
    Well first off if all of our teachers cared the way you do we would be in a better place but there was no single point I was thinking of. Just if you look at the stats it seems we could be much better and I'm worried as time progresses that this is gonna come back to haunt us. It already is IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Proximal View Post
    Didn't take it that way at all.

    On on hand it definitely could be improved, but on the other hand - considering the quantity of kids it serves of so many nationalities, personal limitations (so many kids now have IEPs or individualized educational plans) of flat out disabilities - I'm amazed on how it can stay afloat.

    We do have a smaller school district that I think keeps the quality higher & is more attractive to parents. The ironic side to that is now lower economic families try to eek out a living here to get there kids in our district, thus more kids that can't speak English, more kids that need free lunches & more personal problems (such as coming from homeless families or severely poor students). Those personal problems significantly impact the students ability to learn & function in a classroom. But the additional downside is how much more time and energy (and $) that needs to be spent on that one kid. The motto in today's educational system is that "no child gets left behind". The $ and time that that takes for those "special" kids drains those from the "normal" population and it is showing.
    Good explanation here.
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    Our education system-img_0917.jpg

    17th out of forty is why I worry about it.
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    I see where you are coming from. This is an amazingly huge can of worms & there are SO many contributing factors.

    I think for what it is currently, considering how many kids it serves, it's pretty damn good. But then again, my district is pretty good.

    The Los Angeles School District, not mine, (second largest district in the country) just wrapped up a week long strike. Much of it was for things like nurses & counselors for the students & smaller class sizes.

    As I posted above, our benevolence towards educating every student for free despite handicaps, language deficits, etc. is enormously draining & is limiting the system to a certain degree.
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    Not American but I think it's a accumulation of a lot of factors, some perhaps more prevalent than others but ultimately causing the downfall of education. I personally find life in general is just too easy so society is becoming perpetually more stupid. Combine that with the overpopulation epidemic and the % of intellectuals stays the same while the less inclined grows substantially.


    Not sure how many countries have it implemented but here the teachers cannot hold kids back or fail them anymore up to grade 10 IIRC. The teacher can recommend to the parent for the student to repeat a year but the parent can continue to push the child further. They also have participation awards for everything, no more 1st/2nd/3rd gold/silver/bronze. Everyone is a winner regardless of performance. The curriculum has been compressed and dumbed down too. has Perceived value is at all time low even for simple things like memberships or rewards cards. Every single store has some type of "VIP Exclusive Rewards" system for shopping with them, whether it's a department store, gas station, hotel chain, etc. If anyone can sign up then (1) It's not actually exclusive and (2) You aren't very important.

    The other barrier to entry for education is there is a huge financial roadblock for University / College - fees, textbooks, tuition, etc. I think these institutes are run as a business first and educational facility second. To be able to afford a 3-4 year program without debt you either would have had to start working at 16 years old (or earlier), have rich/financially stable family, or get scholarships. Ironically, most of the jobs pay doesn't even scale with a the salary. If I graduated high school this year and wanted to be a chartered accountant for example, it would cost me 80-88k by the end of it yet the average base salary in the province is 56k. It doesn't take accountant to see how terrible that math is.

    They don't care about the students as long as the classrooms are full and the pockets are deep. Every single professor I had only taught the minimum required amount of hours set by the faculty. They had maybe 1-2 hours of office time in a week, so in a class of 100+ people, if 10 people needed help you had enough time to ask half a question. The rest of the support was done by "Teaching Assistants" who were really just master's students - so they had an extra year or 2 of education on you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Not American but I think it's a accumulation of a lot of factors, some perhaps more prevalent than others but ultimately causing the downfall of education. I personally find life in general is just too easy so society is becoming perpetually more stupid. Combine that with the overpopulation epidemic and the % of intellectuals stays the same while the less inclined grows substantially.


    Not sure how many countries have it implemented but here the teachers cannot hold kids back or fail them anymore up to grade 10 IIRC. The teacher can recommend to the parent for the student to repeat a year but the parent can continue to push the child further. They also have participation awards for everything, no more 1st/2nd/3rd gold/silver/bronze. Everyone is a winner regardless of performance. The curriculum has been compressed and dumbed down too. has Perceived value is at all time low even for simple things like memberships or rewards cards. Every single store has some type of "VIP Exclusive Rewards" system for shopping with them, whether it's a department store, gas station, hotel chain, etc. If anyone can sign up then (1) It's not actually exclusive and (2) You aren't very important.

    The other barrier to entry for education is there is a huge financial roadblock for University / College - fees, textbooks, tuition, etc. I think these institutes are run as a business first and educational facility second. To be able to afford a 3-4 year program without debt you either would have had to start working at 16 years old (or earlier), have rich/financially stable family, or get scholarships. Ironically, most of the jobs pay doesn't even scale with a the salary. If I graduated high school this year and wanted to be a chartered accountant for example, it would cost me 80-88k by the end of it yet the average base salary in the province is 56k. It doesn't take accountant to see how terrible that math is.

    They don't care about the students as long as the classrooms are full and the pockets are deep. Every single professor I had only taught the minimum required amount of hours set by the faculty. They had maybe 1-2 hours of office time in a week, so in a class of 100+ people, if 10 people needed help you had enough time to ask half a question. The rest of the support was done by "Teaching Assistants" who were really just master's students - so they had an extra year or 2 of education on you.
    100% true but one problem here
    The item in bold I have a serious issue with. No teacher or school should have the right to fail or push someone back to a lower grade. That is ridiculous since failure is never an option and what they should do is staff up properly and make sure nobody fucking fails. If someone is that fucking stupid they can't do a basic high school course than they have other issues and should probably be held back from life if you're that fucking stupid. Failure is not an option and that's what these teachers and the school boards need to understand, you have the same standards for everyone right so make sure they fucking do the work and if they don't. (I'm serious here but i hate to say this, I am anti-govt as they come but if someone is really failing as a parent and their kids are failing basic high school curriculum those kids need to be taken away because something isn't right in the home)

    you don't need to fail or hold them back just figure out whats actually wrong with them and make sure they have the proper support from the school and from their parents, those parent conference meetings should mean something to do damn parents!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EDCG19 View Post
    100% true but one problem here
    The item in bold I have a serious issue with. No teacher or school should have the right to fail or push someone back to a lower grade. That is ridiculous since failure is never an option and what they should do is staff up properly and make sure nobody fucking fails. If someone is that fucking stupid they can't do a basic high school course than they have other issues and should probably be held back from life if you're that fucking stupid. Failure is not an option and that's what these teachers and the school boards need to understand, you have the same standards for everyone right so make sure they fucking do the work and if they don't. (I'm serious here but i hate to say this, I am anti-govt as they come but if someone is really failing as a parent and their kids are failing basic high school curriculum those kids need to be taken away because something isn't right in the home)

    you don't need to fail or hold them back just figure out whats actually wrong with them and make sure they have the proper support from the school and from their parents, those parent conference meetings should mean something to do damn parents!
    You dont have any kids clearly.

    I have seven between me and my gf.
    All straight A's except one who can't learn shit without constant mentoring and even then it is a struggle to get her a C average grade. She struggles because she is not mentally equipped to learn like others. She has been to doctors and specialists. As of now all we know is she has a learning disability.

    I suppose she needs to be taken away from us and put into foster care so her grades can be fixed.


    I have a better idea.
    Don't let anyone who does not have kids have a say in education. They say dumb shit like you just did because they have never done it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    You dont have any kids clearly.

    I have seven between me and my gf.
    All straight A's except one who can't learn shit without constant mentoring and even then it is a struggle to get her a C average grade. She struggles because she is not mentally equipped to learn like others. She has been to doctors and specialists. As of now all we know is she has a learning disability.

    I suppose she needs to be taken away from us and put into foster care so her grades can be fixed.


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    Don't let anyone who does not have kids have a say in education. They say dumb shit like you just did because they have never done it.
    That is true, I do not have kids and do not want kids. but since you brought it up, can I ask for my own knowledge what kind of learning disability and how this happens? What can you do to help her? Is it mentoring/tutoring or she can't focus and understand the material? Is she dyslexic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EDCG19 View Post
    That is true, I do not have kids and do not want kids. but since you brought it up, can I ask for my own knowledge what kind of learning disability and how this happens? What can you do to help her? Is it mentoring/tutoring or she can't focus and understand the material? Is she dyslexic?
    She writes words backwards sometimes which is abou 2-3 letters before someone corrects her.
    She can not focus (not adhd) she was put on medicine and it compounded the problem.

    She will learn a word write it for two months the right way and then forget how to write it.

    Not everyone was meant to be a rocket scientist.
    She will struggle the rest of het life to get a grade C because not all prople ate equipped the same.
    Her special talent is that she is compasdionate on a different level than most will ever be and she will be a great mother someday.

    She just got done with a three day mental evaluation and we are awaiting the results.

    A learning disability like she has never corrects much from my experience actually raisng kids and helping them with their homework.
    She will always struggle to keep up in school.
    I hope she can graduate.

    Meanwhile all the others are honor students and amoung the smartest in their schools for their age.

    Point is you cannot generalize anything off of educational performance other than intelligence.
    There are people with an IQ of 70 and some with an IQ of 200.

    Parents, schools, and enviornment are no more at fault for my gfs kid being a slow learner than it is for a kid with downsyndrome.

    Also...

    Are you aware of what happens to children when they are taken away from their birth parents?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    She writes words backwards sometimes which is abou 2-3 letters before someone corrects her.
    She can not focus (not adhd) she was put on medicine and it compounded the problem.

    She will learn a word write it for two months the right way and then forget how to write it.

    Not everyone was meant to be a rocket scientist.
    She will struggle the rest of het life to get a grade C because not all prople ate equipped the same.
    Her special talent is that she is compasdionate on a different level than most will ever be and she will be a great mother someday.

    She just got done with a three day mental evaluation and we are awaiting the results.

    A learning disability like she has never corrects much from my experience actually raisng kids and helping them with their homework.
    She will always struggle to keep up in school.
    I hope she can graduate.

    Meanwhile all the others are honor students and amoung the smartest in their schools for their age.

    Point is you cannot generalize anything off of educational performance other than intelligence.
    There are people with an IQ of 70 and some with an IQ of 200.

    Parents, schools, and enviornment are no more at fault for my gfs kid being a slow learner than it is for a kid with downsyndrome.

    Also...

    Are you aware of what happens to children when they are taken away from their birth parents?
    Yes maybe, I was simple saying in some cases certain parents are not involved in their kids life and the kids fail because of that and not some kind of learning issue. I did not mean any offense since it seems you took it that way. I'm simply saying in some cases parents aren't there for their children at all and thats why the kids fail

    what happens after the kids are taken away?
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    If you want something fucked up just hand it over to the federal or state government.

    Please read this EDCG

    When you look at those stats think about it...
    A government institution set up solely to "protect" children causes 10 times the amount of child sexual abuse, 4 times the amount of fatalities, and is a negative factor more often than parents across the board.

    Your safe... Cps has got you....?

    Education is fucked because the government has it. Everything they do turns into the exact opposite of its intentions because they dont have to compete or care. This is why socialism sucks and capitalism works.

    A kid is usually better off left with a crackhead birthparent than being raped in government custody.

    Think about it.
    They fucked up education so now you want to give them total custody of a child so they can be raped or murdered?

    Fuuuuuuuuuuuck the government.
    Anything they touch is doomed to limp along and get passed by private sector.
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    Heres the really fucked up part.
    I just ripped someone I know a new ass for posting a trash campaign on a guy who had allegedly neglected a child.

    Allegations were bruising on the childs genitals and "skin being removed from the childs eyelids"

    He did not seek medical attention.

    So I looked up the case.
    They had a cheap old front heay tv and this kid accidentally pulled the tv off on himself and got a bruise on his pelvis. The blood traveled downhill to the boys genitals. It did not require medical care and the doctors did nothing for the kid.

    The skin removed from the childs eyelids was from infantygo. The kid got a rash and some skin was dry and flaky on his eyelids.

    It was enough to get the kid put in state care and the man put in jail. There is a 1 in 1000 chance that kid gets sexually abused now. This kid is four times more likely to die in state care. Also a one in ten chance he get put in the home of someone looking for a paycheck from the state that does not give half a shit about him in comparison to his parents who were just stupid poor white trash.

    It will fuck the kid up for life.

    In the meantime that post is still floating around facebook with stupid sheep reading it shaking their heads and sharing it after passing their damning judgement.

    Media is always sure to find a detail and make it sound like they did with this guy. Everyone is picturing him brusing the childs genitals and peeling the skin off the kids eyelids with a knife.

    This is how CPS operates. They find a technicality twist it and they collect and the state pays a bag of shit to stuff four kids in a closet and give them bare necessities with zero love whatsoever.

    No more hugs from the woman that brought them into this world. No more familiar family. They grow up cold and alone and the cycle repeats.

    I am not shitting you one bit, 99% of kids taken by the government would have been better off with their parents.

    I had bruises across my ass in strips when I was a kid from a fat ass leather belt when I fucked up. I was in the woods alone with a 12 guage at 8. Driving county roads at 12 highways at 14 feeding cattle. I got hurt and sick a lot. Even bruised my genitals. Kicked by horses and stomped by bulls. I could make a fire in our stove at age 6, burnt myself a lot, (didn't go to doc) went hungry quite a bit, and did more dangerous shit than I can name and we considered it normal.

    We could have been taken from our awesome childhood home at any time for the thing we did and were allowed to do.

    I had great parents and my childhood taught me shit a dozen universities couldn't teach.
    Not a thing on the planet I can't fix and I didnt go to school to be an electronics tech or a mechanical engineer. I can outwork any four of the average today. Any job I take I will be the best at it or I will kill myself trying. I will survive and I tip my hat to my parents who the state would call negligent pieces of shit and have taken me and given me and my brother to different homes where we would truly have been mistreated.

    A child needs love from its parents. The rest really isn't that important.
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    If you want something fucked up just hand it over to the federal or state government.

    Please read this EDCG

    When you look at those stats think about it...
    A government institution set up solely to "protect" children causes 10 times the amount of child sexual abuse, 4 times the amount of fatalities, and is a negative factor more often than parents across the board.

    Your safe... Cps has got you....?

    Education is fucked because the government has it. Everything they do turns into the exact opposite of its intentions because they dont have to compete or care. This is why socialism sucks and capitalism works.

    A kid is usually better off left with a crackhead birthparent than being raped in government custody.

    Think about it.
    They fucked up education so now you want to give them total custody of a child so they can be raped or murdered?

    Fuuuuuuuuuuuck the government.
    Anything they touch is doomed to limp along and get passed by private sector.
    Yep the stats on abused and neglected children make me furious and sad. I hate to even think about it. These freakin adults that have no regard for children sicken me.


    EDCG, I know you probably didn't mean what you said the way it came out but yes there are children that just don't learn as easy or as fast as others. I definitely don't like the idea of everyone gets a trophy or no one fails but I would be referring to kids that aren't on a slower learning pace as others.

    I guess to try and explain I mean take a football team of normal everyday kids that have the same mental capabilities, if they lose to another team no they shouldn't get a "participation" trophy. They should be told they lost and they have to work harder to win.

    I also know that every kid just can't learn at the same pace.(I'm talking about school not sports in this statement)
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    Quote Originally Posted by KennyJ View Post
    Yep the stats on abused and neglected children make me furious and sad. I hate to even think about it. These freakin adults that have no regard for children sicken me.


    EDCG, I know you probably didn't mean what you said the way it came out but yes there are children that just don't learn as easy or as fast as others. I definitely don't like the idea of everyone gets a trophy or no one fails but I would be referring to kids that aren't on a slower learning pace as others.

    I guess to try and explain I mean take a football team of normal everyday kids that have the same mental capabilities, if they lose to another team no they shouldn't get a "participation" trophy. They should be told they lost and they have to work harder to win.

    I also know that every kid just can't learn at the same pace.(I'm talking about school not sports in this statement)
    My original post wasn't factoring in someone with mental issues. Plus I don't agree with the ideas of participation trophies and even if someone loses its just fuel to win.. I don't see a sports team loss as a big thing tbh
    Regarding the govt taking away children thats a different topic but I see what obs was saying..
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    Both the wife & I are so happy we will be retiring from this out of whack world. She deals with employees that are from this newer & empowered generation that needs praise for every "accomplishment " & cannot handle even the slightest adversity.

    It's actually taken me 20 years in the classroom to strike a decent balance between strict discipline & casualness (as to not frighten or offend). I still have my annual talks with administrators about me being too tough.

    Hell I had 2 teens that I didn't recognize enter my classroom without permission this year. Even after being told directly to get the f out, one walked towards my kids. I stepped in front of him & made a point of backing away to avoid contact.

    Administration had 3 issues: of course using the f- word, why I could assume that possibly the kid was a shooter or threat to my kids and finally the fact that I would escalate things by stepping in front of the teen.

    Things are not going to get better. We are so happy that we don't have kids, because frankly, we both feel current society is doomed & we can die peacefully, knowing it ends with us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proximal View Post
    Both the wife & I are so happy we will be retiring from this out of whack world. She deals with employees that are from this newer & empowered generation that needs praise for every "accomplishment " & cannot handle even the slightest adversity.

    It's actually taken me 20 years in the classroom to strike a decent balance between strict discipline & casualness (as to not frighten or offend). I still have my annual talks with administrators about me being too tough.


    Hell I had 2 teens that I didn't recognize enter my classroom without permission this year. Even after being told directly to get the f out, one walked towards my kids. I stepped in front of him & made a point of backing away to avoid contact.

    Administration had 3 issues: of course using the f- word, why I could assume that possibly the kid was a shooter or threat to my kids and finally the fact that I would escalate things by stepping in front of the teen.

    Things are not going to get better. We are so happy that we don't have kids, because frankly, we both feel current society is doomed & we can die peacefully, knowing it ends with us.
    How is that the younger millennial generations fault? The boomers fucked up this country and the world since WW2
    Than the millennias get blamed for being too soft or not hard workers because they cant handle the pressure, or they're expecting something in return for a few years of work. No shit, the boomers fucked up this country and than they blame the younger generations
    The 60s ruined everything and boomers have the nerves to say the younger generations aren't meeting some expectation. No shit, they raised us
    Call it a generational failure on raising children into adults

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    Quote Originally Posted by EDCG19 View Post
    How is that the younger millennial generations fault? The boomers fucked up this country and the world since WW2
    Than the millennias get blamed for being too soft or not hard workers because they cant handle the pressure, or they're expecting something in return for a few years of work. No shit, the boomers fucked up this country and than they blame the younger generations
    The 60s ruined everything and boomers have the nerves to say the younger generations aren't meeting some expectation. No shit, they raised us
    Call it a generational failure on raising children into adults
    WTF. I'm making a statement that is echoed by all of our friends in a multitude of professions. I'm not placing exclusive blame on them, but I'm not letting them off the hook. And since I am a boomer, as are my friends, we didn't parent this newest generation so you are off track on that one.

    Funny my grandparents said the same thing about everything going to shit after WW1. Shit you can take it back as far as you want pending the exact values you felt were best revered at that era. Essentially you are describing a decline of civilization which was my very point. Where and who started it, who the fuck cares, the point is that it's currently a mess & I'm glad my wife and I survived & we can retire, sit back & watch it crumble into dust.

    With respect to education, the point is that you are dealing with a group of kids that don't understand that no means no. If you don't have the parents backing (and from my experience we don't), teaching and maintaining any standards in the classroom becomes tenuous. Forget administration, because their jobs are on the line every year.

    Edit: so we don't get into what is a millennial vs. a new millennial, or a gen x,y or z, allow me to clarify that my friends and myself are specifically referring to this group that has just recently graduated college & the current batch of students.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Proximal View Post
    WTF. I'm making a statement that is echoed by all of our friends in a multitude of professions. I'm not placing exclusive blame on them, but I'm not letting them off the hook. And since I am a boomer, as are my friends, we didn't parent this newest generation so you are off track on that one.

    Funny my grandparents said the same thing about everything going to shit after WW1. Shit you can take it back as far as you want pending the exact values you felt were best revered at that era. Essentially you are describing a decline of civilization which was my very point. Where and who started it, who the fuck cares, the point is that it's currently a mess & I'm glad my wife and I survived & we can retire, sit back & watch it crumble into dust.

    With respect to education, the point is that you are dealing with a group of kids that don't understand that no means no. If you don't have the parents backing (and from my experience we don't), teaching and maintaining any standards in the classroom becomes tenuous. Forget administration, because their jobs are on the line every year.

    Edit: so we don't get into what is a millennial vs. a new millennial, or a gen x,y or z, allow me to clarify that my friends and myself are specifically referring to this group that has just recently graduated college & the current batch of students.
    WW1/WW2 was a different story (reason why we're dealing with this shit today is because of WW2). Those progressive eras where on a good track but the 60s generations ended up fucking so much up and I specifically mean the liberal power and control was increased drastically after the 60s. That boomer generation specifically born between the 50-60s ended up ruining all other generations in the future
    To make matters worse the post modernism and cultural Marxism didn't start in the 60s but it became much more accepted and it led to the fall of future generations.. don't get me started on the "progressive" policies which enslaved future generations into debt slaver and now what? The current generation has to do the same thing and get away with enslaving the next 2-3 generations of children into a debt slavery system just like the boomer

    I'm just saying the millennials aren't to blame for anything at all
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    Look EDC, I'm not placing blame on anyone in particular, nor do I care who did what. And yes, I definitely agree with you about not placing all or too much blame on the millennials, that was not my intent at all, apologies.

    I'm literally just an old fart that has seen significant changes in things through the years. In education, things have really accelerated for the worse over the past 5-10 years. My wife has seen the same things in her profession, as have our old fart friends, etc., etc.

    Education is really a mess, but I'm amazed the public schools can still do as much as they do for so many kids. I love the job, I wouldn't do anything else.

    I also apologize again, I got a little too nihilistic previously. I'm not that bitter about society, it's just I feel I've done my part, don't feel that I agree as much with how things are done now, and want to move on. Hey, how is everything at work doing? Things better or worse? F'n office politics, that I'm definitely done with, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proximal View Post
    Look EDC, I'm not placing blame on anyone in particular, nor do I care who did what. And yes, I definitely agree with you about not placing all or too much blame on the millennials, that was not my intent at all, apologies.

    I'm literally just an old fart that has seen significant changes in things through the years. In education, things have really accelerated for the worse over the past 5-10 years. My wife has seen the same things in her profession, as have our old fart friends, etc., etc.

    Education is really a mess, but I'm amazed the public schools can still do as much as they do for so many kids. I love the job, I wouldn't do anything else.

    I also apologize again, I got a little too nihilistic previously. I'm not that bitter about society, it's just I feel I've done my part, don't feel that I agree as much with how things are done now, and want to move on. Hey, how is everything at work doing? Things better or worse? F'n office politics, that I'm definitely done with, lol.

    I wasn't throwing blame at you or anything, I'm simply posting my thoughts on this
    The BOOMERS fucked everyone

    Education is a mess because of BOOMERS
    they changed the standards and began rolling out stupid fucking programs to destroy the future generations. Cultural marxism and post modernism is the destroyer of nations
    I wonder who at the top would roll these programs out into the US market since the 1880s.. hmmmmmm

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    I have to echo what Prox is saying in regards to education. And I 100% agree that the Boomers generation left us off far worse. Their parents were probably the pinnacle.

    What I have seen in College where I’ve taught since 2006 is very similar. Most of the downward trend is directly due to Gauranteed Federal Finacial Aid. It was once the college itself that loaned out money and they were on the hook if the kid defaulted. As such schools had admission standards. Academic programs and degrees had real world application and students were generally their to have a future. Not just party on the schools Dime.

    Now since the money is backed by the Government, they just admit everyone, have worthless academic degrees and programs and kids that shouldn’t have passed high school are in classes they have no hope of passing on their own merit. You can’t fail a kid for two reasons. One, the admin doesn’t want to lose a paying customer and secondly, the kid will go behind your back and get the grade changed anyway. Over time you’re just like fuck it, I’m getting paid so what’s it matter. The problem with that though is degrees are so watered down and don’t mean much in the real world anymore. Which I hate to say it, but the whole you have to go to college or you’re a loser is the biggest batch of shit any generation has sold to the younger ones...


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    Our daddy's won the war and came home to our moms
    They gave them so much love that all us kids were born
    We all grew up on Mickey Mouse and hula-hoops
    Then we all bought BMW's and brand new pickup trucks
    And we watched John Kennedy die one afternoon
    Kids of the baby boom
    It was a time of new prosperity in the USA
    All the fortunate offsprings never had to pay
    We had sympathy for the devil and the Rolling Stones
    Then we got a little older, we found Haggard and Jones
    A generation screaming for more room
    Kids of the baby boom
    Kids of the baby boom, we had freedom, we had money
    Baby boom, here in the land of milk and honey
    Counting our chickens way too soon
    Kids of the baby boom
    Now we all can run computers and we all can dance
    We all have Calvin Klein written on our underpants
    And at six-o'clock, like robots, we turn on the news
    Watch those third world countries deal out more abuse
    Remember the first man on the moon
    Kids of the baby boom
    Kids of the baby boom, we had freedom, we had money
    Baby boom, here in the land of milk and honey
    Counting our chickens way too soon
    Kids of the baby boom
    As our lives become a capsule they send to the stars
    And our children look at us like we came from Mars
    As the farms disappear and the sky turns black
    We're a nation full of takers, never giving back
    We never stop to think what we consume
    Kids of the baby boom
    Kids of the baby boom, we had freedom, we had money
    Baby boom, here in the land of milk and honey
    Counting our chickens way too soon
    Kids of the baby boom
    Our optimism mingles with the doom
    Kids of the baby boom
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    Quote Originally Posted by EDCG19 View Post
    ...Education is a mess because of BOOMERS
    they changed the standards and began rolling out stupid fucking programs to destroy the future generations....
    This shit started when we gave wimmen the vote. It just took most of a century to deteriorate to this level. It's like the parable of the frog in hot water. Turn up the heat slowly enough and the frog will be cooked before he catches on to the plot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beetlegeuse View Post
    This shit started when we gave wimmen the vote. It just took most of a century to deteriorate to this level. It's like the parable of the frog in hot water. Turn up the heat slowly enough and the frog will be cooked before he catches on to the plot.
    That's a separate issue but is noted. I actually don't have a problem with the greatest generations feminism movement but the 60s feminism movement ruined everything else

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