Could I possibly be making gains with just Enclomiphene????

[LiftingWeights]

My testosterone is naturally high.
But I'm doing a PCT and I swear it looks like I'm still making significant gains.

Is this possible?

[teedoff]

how long since your cycle ended? and what were you using?

[Cylon357]

My testosterone is naturally high.
But I'm doing a PCT and I swear it looks like I'm still making significant gains.

Is this possible?

Yes it is possible. Enclomiphene is an effective drug.

Go read this:

https://forums.steroid.com/hormone-r...formation.html

[LiftingWeights]

how long since your cycle ended? and what were you using?

8 weeks and it was Winstrol without test.

[redz]

Maybe you crashed your test and the test coming back is giving you a boost. Terrible cycle fyi.

[LiftingWeights]

Maybe you crashed your test and the test coming back is giving you a boost. Terrible cycle fyi.

My bloodwork during and after winnie never dropped below 500ng (I naturally have very high test levels.)

And before you ask... I know the winstrol was good. It wasn't the potency that it should have been but I've come to expect that sort of problem.

ps. I know that I should take test during a cycle but I'm not injecting anything that doesn't come from a real doctor and pharmacy.

[Cuz]

My bloodwork during and after winnie never dropped below 500ng (I naturally have very high test levels.)

And before you ask... I know the winstrol was good. It wasn't the potency that it should have been but I've come to expect that sort of problem.

ps. I know that I should take test during a cycle but I'm not injecting anything that doesn't come from a real doctor and pharmacy.

Lol, so what makes you think they arent risks in taking aas in pill form? You could be taking anything, chalk, aspirin lol. Sounds like you’re afraid to inject and just another one of those guys that think a cycle is just popping a few pills. Id suggest finding a new hobby before you hurt yourself.

[LiftingWeights]

Lol, so what makes you think they arent risks in taking aas in pill form?

1. I can get pills tested. I can't get illegal testosterone tested without a ton of questions

2. Pills take time to get into your blood stream but an injection is relatively instantaneous.

3. In the 70s there were some of the best bodies built and a ton of those guys never injected test.

4. I've made decent gains without using test and I've kept most of them.

You can troll me all you want but I'm not injecting anything that doesn't come from an actual doctor or clinic. In fact, trolling me only makes me more determined to avoid injections which don't come from a doctor

[Cuz]

1. I can get pills tested. I can't get illegal testosterone tested without a ton of questions

2. Pills take time to get into your blood stream but an injection is relatively instantaneous.

3. In the 70s there were some of the best bodies built and a ton of those guys never injected test.

4. I've made decent gains without using test and I've kept most of them.

You can troll me all you want but I'm not injecting anything that doesn't come from an actual doctor or clinic. In fact, trolling me only makes me more determined to avoid injections which don't come from a doctor

You know absolutely nothing. The only troll in this thread is you. Have fun.

[LiftingWeights]

You know absolutely nothing. The only troll in this thread is you. Have fun.

These days everyone is called a troll when they don't conform to the popular opinion or do things differently.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

You can troll me all you want but I'm not injecting anything that doesn't come from an actual doctor or clinic. In fact, trolling me only makes me more determined to avoid injections which don't come from a doctor

Nowadays I'd be hesitant to inject anything that isn't at least veterinarian grade. I injected all that underground lab shit for years and never got an abscess, but I know a guy in my gym who did get an abscess.

[teedoff]

Nowadays I'd be hesitant to inject anything that isn't at least veterinarian grade. I injected all that underground lab shit for years and never got an abscess, but I know a guy in my gym who did get an abscess.

What were you injecting all those years? You're like 150lbs soaking wet. Lol

[redz]

I’d advise against oral cycles I. General but you have made up your mind this is the way to go. There is plenty of safe gear out there. I inject up to 6cc/week no issues I’ve used countless ugl’s.

[teedoff]

I’d advise against oral cycles I. General but you have made up your mind this is the way to go. There is plenty of safe gear out there. I inject up to 6cc/week no issues I’ve used countless ugl’s.

He'll be back here in a few years asking what to do about his liver disease....

[LiftingWeights]

Nowadays I'd be hesitant to inject anything that isn't at least veterinarian grade. I injected all that underground lab shit for years and never got an abscess, but I know a guy in my gym who did get an abscess.

Fake reviews, UGLs changing their names, paid trolls and shills, fake lab test, etc..

Today there's just so much bullshit and so many scam artists that you really have to be super careful.
I'll bet that for every individual who hasn't had a problem that there are 10 others who have and we never hear about them.

There is plenty of safe gear out there. I inject up to 6cc/week no issues I’ve used countless ugl’s.

I can't find 'safe gear' and I'm not going to do anything that I'm not comfortable with.

I also don't respond to childish name calling or fear tactics.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

Today there's just so much bullshit and so many scam artists that you really have to be super careful.
I'll bet that for every individual who hasn't had a problem that there are 10 others who have and we never hear about them.

I reckon the ratio is the other way around. I'd say 14 out of 15 people don't have a problem, but 1 in 15 gets an abscess. I don't know the real numbers, I'm just guessing.

What it comes down to is how much of a risk taker you are. Are you willing to risk a 1 in 15 chance of an abscess?

In fairness I've probably injected myself in the buttock a few hundred times and never gotten an abscess, but for me it's more about being adverse to manufacturers cutting corners and trying to save money by making a less safe product. Why put 50mg anavar in a pill when you can put in 35mg and nobody will notice really? Or why spend the extra time and money disinfecting an oil?

I'd be happy enough with veterinarian grade stuff though.

[teedoff]

Fake reviews, UGLs changing their names, paid trolls and shills, fake lab test, etc..

Today there's just so much bullshit and so many scam artists that you really have to be super careful.
I'll bet that for every individual who hasn't had a problem that there are 10 others who have and we never hear about them.




I can't find 'safe gear' and I'm not going to do anything that I'm not comfortable with.

I also don't respond to childish name calling or fear tactics.

Yet you responded.....

But I don't see where anyone called you names or used fear tactics. Lol. Maybe all. those orals you've been taking are fake and messing with your reasoning and perception.

Get a script for trt, don't use it, build a stock pile enough to run a couple cycles with pharma grade test. Lol

[LiftingWeights]

I don't know the real numbers, I'm just guessing.

That's exactly the problem.
How can I make an informed decision when there's no information and/or untrustworthy information?