BOOZ, (and others) PLEASE CHECK MY HOMEWORK!!!

[SMAN12b]

OK Booz, I think I have put MOST of the pieces of my 4th cycle together. I would like your feedback (and of others as well) to tweek it if necessary.
THANKS IN ADVANCE for all your help!!

STATS:
AGE: 41
Height: 5' 11"
Weight: 220#
BF%- 15-17%
Years of Natural Lifting: approx 8
Years of HARDCORE lifting: 3
Cycles: 1st-Sust & deca , 12 wks 5 years ago
2nd-HGH for a month, 4 years ago ( I know...dont' say it)
3rd-Test & Deca, about 3 years ago
All with PCT and NO bad effects!

Goal: To add a little mass, harden up and get cut
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Proposed Cycle:
WEEKS 1-10 TREN @ 75mg/ED
1-12 TEST CYP @ 500mg/wk
1-13 HCG @ 250-300 iu 2x/wk (not sure which to go with yet 250 or 300)
1-14 B6 @ 200mg/ED
1-14 ARIMIDEX @ .5mg/ED
9-14 WINNY @ 50mg/ED
Possible addition of HGH @ 4iu/Day 5 on 2 off
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Proposed PCT:
Starting 18 Days after last Test injection(correct??)
CLOMID- Day 1 @ 200mg
Day 2-14 @ 100mg/day
Day 15-30 @ 50mg/day
NOLVADEX - Day 1-30 @ 20mg/day

Not sure about the ARIMIDEX for PCT. I read a thread from SWALE, an HRT doctor, that Kale posted on HCG & ARIMIDEX throughout cycle ( http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=238215 ) and I am still researching that one .
I also have HGH, not sure if I should throw that in or not @ 4iu/Day 5 days on 2 days off?????????????

SO, There you go, Tear it up or Tear it apart for me! All comments are welcome and will be greatly appreciated. THANK YOU !!!

[anaBROLIC]

looks good bro. i personally like clomid 100mgs/day the whole way through tho..

[SMAN12b]

looks good bro. i personally like clomid 100mgs/day the whole way through tho..

THANKS !!! the clomid dose came from Booz in a previous post to him. Thanks again!

[SMAN12b]

BUMP ....please

[IBdmfkr]

I like it, I'd keep the clomid protocol as listed. That is how I use it as well.
If you use GH, keep in mind you will want to start it a couple months prior to cycle and run it through PCT.

[C_Bino]

Seems like a pretty standard cycle man, all around straight forward and good doses, you did your homework which is nice to see. I would not advise using the HGH unless you are going to carry it on for another couple months after you finish this cycle. Just remember not to limit your PCT to 30 days, I usually will stop clomid after 30 but continue on with nolva for another two weeks. Just run it until you feel your sex drive back up or you get blood results back.

Good luck, Im sure booz will approve.

[SMAN12b]

Seems like a pretty standard cycle man, all around straight forward and good doses, you did your homework which is nice to see. I would not advise using the HGH unless you are going to carry it on for another couple months after you finish this cycle. Just remember not to limit your PCT to 30 days, I usually will stop clomid after 30 but continue on with nolva for another two weeks. Just run it until you feel your sex drive back up or you get blood results back.

Good luck, Im sure booz will approve.

THANKS C Bino, I havent' started the HGH yet and was planning for this cycle to start next week (but no rush, so it doesn't have to start then) I could run the HGH for a couple or three months after the cycle if you think that would be benificial??
Booz gave a lot of advice with most (but not all) of this cycle, so I hope you are right and he likes it too!
THANKS AGAIN !!

[marcus300]

Looks fine, good luck

[SMAN12b]

Looks fine, good luck

THANK YOU marcus300!!!

[Liftnainez]

well SMAN seems like you have done your homework.. i see you chose the winny over var.. looks good to me.. good luck bro

[Kale]

Love it !!!! . Thats going to be my fourth cycle as well but maybe with prop instead of Test E

[Booz]

you got my seal of approval mate....
like C-B and IBD have both touched upon with the growth...id start it at least two months prior to the start of cycle and run it throughout your pct also...........
you have done your homework.......very good..

[SMAN12b]

you got my seal of approval mate....
like C-B and IBD have both touched upon with the growth...id start it at least two months prior to the start of cycle and run it throughout your pct also...........
you have done your homework.......very good..

THANKS Booz,Kale and Liftainez! Much Appreciated. Couldn't have done it without your great teachings!!!
I will make sure to log everything and post pics throughout!!!
THANKS

[Liftnainez]

no prob brotha.. good luck on your cycle... and remember EAT BIG to GET BIG!! keep us updated

[G-Force]

the only thing i would question is whether its necessary to run the HCG
all the way thru the cycle

i wouldve thought in the middle and 10 days before the end wouldve been fine

but if Booz approves then i'm not gonna argue

although an explanation for those of us not as clued up on HCG would be good

[Kale]

G

I like this explanation best

written by SWALE, an hrt doctor.
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I frequent another board and posted this in another topic but thought alot of you may find this useful so i'm putting it here. This is from a poster who is an MD and uses gear himself. it is a protocol for using HCG during cycle and not PCT, he explains why HCG during PCT can actually inhibit natural test production and recovery.



"I advise my AAS patients to use small amounts of HCG (250IU to 500IU) two days each week, right from the beginning of the cycle. This serves to maintain testicular form and function. It makes more sense to me to keep the horse in the barn, so to speak, then to have to chase it across three counties later on. I am also a big fan of maintaining estrogen within physiological ranges. Both therapies have been shown to hasten recovery.

Any more than 500IU of HCG per day causes too much aromatase activity. Some feel aromatase is actually toxic to the Leydig cells of the testes. You are then inducing primary hypogonadism (which is permanent) while treating steroid -induced secondary (hypogonadotrophic) hypogonadism (which is temporary--hopefully).

If 250IU or 500IU on two days each week isn?t enough to stave off testicular atrophy, then I recommend using it more days each week (as opposed to taking larger doses). In fact, I wouldn?t mind having a guy use 250IU per day ALL THROUGH the cycle. Those that have tell me they thus avoid that edgy, burned-out feeling they usually get. They also say they simply feel better each day. Subjective reports, to be sure, but they are hard not to appreciate. Especially when HCG is so inexpensive.

The testes are then ready, willing and able to again produce testosterone at the end of the cycle. LH levels rise fairly rapidly, but endogenous testosterone production is limited by lack of use. I also want to make sure a SERM, such as Clomid or Nolvadex , is at effective serum dosage (around 100mg QD for Clomid, 20-40mg QD for Nolvadex) when serum androgen levels drop to a concentration roughly equal to 200mg of testosterone per week. That is when androgenic inhibition at the HP no longer dominates over estrogenic antagonism with respect to inducing LH production. Of course, if the fellow has been doing Clomid or Nolvadex all along the way (and I now prefer Nolvadex over Clomid, due to the possibility of negative sides from the Clomid), he is all set to simply continue it at the end (no need to switch from one to the other). BTW, I see no evidence of any benefit in using BOTH SERM?s at the same time. I used to think a couple of weeks of the SERM was enough; now I like to see an entire month after the last shot of AAS (and migration of long to short esters as the cycle matures). Tapering the SERM is probably a good idea during the last week, as well.

I want my patients to stop taking HCG within a week after the end of the cycle. The testosterone production it induces will further inhibit recovery, as will using Androgel , or any other testosterone preparation, while in recovery. There is no escaping this, as there is no such thing as a ?bridge?. Just because you are not inhibiting the HPTA for the entire 24 hours does not mean you are not suppressing it at all. IOW, you can?t ?fool? the body?it is smarter than you are.

I like Arimidex during the cycle (in fact, consider use of an AI while taking aromatisables a necessity) but it ABSOLUTELY should not be used post cycle (even though it has been shown to increase LH production) because the risk of driving estrogen too low, and therefore further damaging an already compromised Lipid Profile, is too great (this also drives libido back into the ground?and we don?t want that, do we?).

All this is meant to get my guys through recovery as fast as possible (the real goal, yes?). So far, all of them who have tried it have reported they are recovering faster than when they have tried other protocols.

Thought this would shed a little light on all the HCG questions during cycle."

[marcus300]

good read kale

[RA]

If this is your first go around with tren I would go with 50mgs/ed.

[G-Force]

G



I want my patients to stop taking HCG within a week after the end of the cycle. The testosterone production it induces will further inhibit recovery, as will using Androgel, or any other testosterone preparation, while in recovery.

so he is actually recomending using HCG 1 week into PCT

thats interesting

i know there are many ways to run HCG - its difficult sometimes to find out which is best

i know Booz recommeds using it for 10 days at the end of your cycle - stopping three days before

[SMAN12b]

Thanks Kale, you saved me from finding your post on the HCG once AGAIN...lolol

[MAXIMA5]

I started my Hcg at week 7 and plan on running it through end of pct.
That's just me though.

Good job.
This is exactly how this forum is supposed to work.

[Swifto]

I've used PCT successfully during PCT, which contradicts Swale's claim. I'm not doubting he doesnt know his sh*t as I'm sure he does. But....I used HCG during PCT and it raised my natural testosterone levels combined with Nolva and Proviron effectively. I had the bloodwork done 2-3 weeks after PCT ended and again 10-12 weeks later and they were still normal.

[Xprime]

aight, am gonna do that pct, that protocol looks very good, i can t bear HCG at high dosing.

[Booz]

so many different ways to utilize hcg .................

[MorganKane]

If you are going to inject ED why not use Prop.
Prop should give you less bloat and works great with Tren .

Good luck.

[SMAN12b]

If you are going to inject ED why not use Prop.
Prop should give you less bloat and works great with Tren .

Good luck.

NOT injecting the CYP ED, but I see your point. I had the CYP,(10ml) I may Switch it up to PROP. THANKS!!

[LatinoPR]

Looks pretty good...good luck and let us know of youre progres...!

[novicenovicen]

just mix with the tren . Prop and tren a winning combo.............

[Kale]

so he is actually recomending using HCG 1 week into PCT

thats interesting

i know there are many ways to run HCG - its difficult sometimes to find out which is best

i know Booz recommeds using it for 10 days at the end of your cycle - stopping three days before

He actually isnt, he says "One week after the end ofthe cycle" You will be doing Test C and PCT doesnt start until two weeks after the end of the cycle