immediate help prop/cyp cycle

[tyayo]

Ive only done one cycle before and i want to put on some weight before football. Ive got a 10 ml bottle of prop and a 10 ml bottle of cyp. I want to do eod shots. Which test should i start first prop or cyp and why?

[HORSE~]

I dont think you have enough of either to run a good cycle

But how many mg pr ml are each

Also if you cant put it together your self and then ask for a critque you probaly arnet ready to run a cycle yet

[tyayo]

ive been researching for about a year now and i just want to put on some weight i hear test is ok for shorter cycles especially test prop

[SMAN12b]

DITTO.. give us your stats including age, height , weight BF% cycle history, PCT knowledge
GOals for this cycle How is the test dosed??

[HORSE~]

ive been researching for about a year now and i just want to put on some weight i hear test is ok for shorter cycles especially test prop

Cool layout your prposed cycle and will critque it for you

[SMAN12b]

ive been researching for about a year now and i just want to put on some weight i hear test is ok for shorter cycles especially test prop

well you didn't research enough.....how short do you think you are going

[tyayo]

heres the deal i am 5' 8" 185 bf about 15%
max bench 305
squat 380
deadlift 455
I am for the most part all natty did some m1t and a short cycle of sust but fuked it up by being lazy and selling drugs. That was last summer. Now I just want to put on like 10 lbs up my squat and hopefully get a little speed before I go to football camp. I can get a bottle of prop and cyp today and start tonight. I am thinking about getting a third bottle not sure of what though. What do you think??

[tyayo]

I am also going to order nolva and should have it within 2 weeks

[HORSE~]

Cool layout your prposed cycle and will critque it for you

Ditto

[tyayo]

o my bad test prop eod for first 20 days
test cyp eod last 20 days
nolva 2 weeks after last shot for three weeks 20mgs/day

[HORSE~]

What is your age

What mg per ml is the test that is avalible to you

How many mg of test do you plan to use eod

[tyayo]

im 19 the test prop os 80mg/ml and the cyp im not sure i will find out later for sure

[alltherage]

EEEk!!! I'm only a junior member so apparantly I wouldn't know anything, but first of all the cyp is long acting, the prop is short acting. Prop is the best thing I ever did to kickstart a good test cycle, and I've heard the stupidest things from guys at the gym, like you inject prop once a week. That's why don't listen to guys at the gym. You need more cyp, more prop would be good, but if choosing only 1 cyp would be a good choice. Your cyp is probably 200mg/ml, hopefully your prop is 100mg/ml. Prop you do every second day, cyp once a week. Don't worry someone will rip my advice to shreds, but listen to what these guys tell you, cause that cycle won't do much, at least when the prop is gone. MORE TEST, MORE TEST!!!! 500mg a week is awesome for test, I haven't done the shit like crazy, but good pharmacy test kicks ass!!!

[tyayo]

what about adding another bottle of cypionate to the end

[tyayo]

what about adding another bottle of cypionate to the end

[SMAN12b]

You take this one Horse, i know he won't listen to me.....lolol

[tyayo]

whats your advice

[SMAN12b]

whats your advice

My advice that I know you are NOT even going to consider is that you are way too young to be screwing with yoru HPTA first of all. Second, at your age you have enough NATURAL hormones running through your body to make GREAT gains that would surpass what you are looking for IF and ONLY IF you are diciplined enough to eat correctly and train correctly.
BUt you think AAS is an easy solution to gain quickly. wht you dont' understand is if you are NOT eating and training right NOW, AAS will NOT make up for where you lack. You will risk screwing up your HPTA and could cause your hormones to be screwed up forever

Best advice for you is to get teh best Natural base you can until you are 25 then consider using AAS to assist in further development

[tyayo]

i understand that but i feel like ive reached my peak and cant pass it i eat properly chicken brown rice potatoes fruits vegetables protein shakes cheese and all that shit i am the biggest in my close family dads immediate side and moms immediate size and i just want a little help

[tyayo]

is talked to my friend and what i decided was to go with just the test propianate so i will have 2 10 ml bottles of test prop about 80mg-100 eod how does that sound

[SMAN12b]

is talked to my friend and what i decided was to go with just the test propianate so i will have 2 10 ml bottles of test prop about 80mg-100 eod how does that sound

It sounds STUPID !! Did you even bother to do any research on here to see wht you are sticking in your body?
Do you even have a clue what PCT is so that your dick will be able to get hard again after you shut it down completely by using AAS???
Prop need to be injected EVERYDAY !!! so you have enough for 20 days if that. THAT SUCKS !!!!!
Just enough to shut down your HPTA and do no good.
I will gaurantee you your diet is NOT as clean as you think.

Do you eat 6-8 meals a day one every 2.5-3 hours with quality Protein, good carbs and good fat in EACH meal?

What is your training like? how many days, what type of routine

You are just like every other IMPATIENT young guy who wants to take the short cuts and doesn't care how it screws him up for later in life.

This is why i started out with the post that you would NOT listen

[SMAN12b]

read:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=243772

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=212234

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=15197

[tyayo]

a bit harsh my man but i have read up on prop and i know for a fact it can be shot eod yes i do eat about 6 meals a day and have my diet in check i actually paid to have a diet made for me and i do a strength training routine from the football team 3 days a week abd speed and endourance 3 days a week

[HORSE~]

Good job SMAN !!

Dig the link's nice touch!!!!

To tyayo Sman has given you some good sound advice take it or leave it you wont get any better.

Here is the link to the deit forum post up your deit and let them help you get it spot on

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=6

And here is the link to the workout forum post up your workout routine and let them help you get it in check

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=3

If you do these two thing's and follow the advice given I promise you will grow

[SMAN12b]

a bit harsh my man but i have read up on prop and i know for a fact it can be shot eod yes i do eat about 6 meals a day and have my diet in check i actually paid to have a diet made for me and i do a strength training routine from the football team 3 days a week abd speed and endourance 3 days a week

Sorry if you feel it is Harsh, it is just the truth but you will still go and do AAs no matter what we say.

You still have not told any of us what your plan for PCT is and how you will run it


That alone makes you not ready to do this

Yes Prop can be shot EOD, it can be shot once a week , it can be shot once a month

BUT the best way to shoot it due to its halflife is EVERYDAY

GOOD LUCK with your cycle, and your libido

[tyayo]

thanks but i need to do it ive been waiting to long i wish u could help me because i am not changing my mind i guess im stubborn and young but itswhat i want to do

[SMAN12b]

thanks but i need to do it ive been waiting to long i wish u could help me because i am not changing my mind i guess im stubborn and young but itswhat i want to do

How can we help if you are not willing to listen to good advice.

It is not my job to stop you from using AAS, I do NOT get paid to give out advice on this stuff.
I care about people doing it SAFELY and not screwing themselves up.

you don't have enough Prop to do a decent cycle
you never said what the Cyp was doses at
how can we help you

[tyayo]

i said i am only going to use test prop 20ml possibly get a third

[Bigmax]

i understand that but i feel like ive reached my peak and cant pass it i eat properly chicken brown rice potatoes fruits vegetables protein shakes cheese and all that shit i am the biggest in my close family dads immediate side and moms immediate size and i just want a little help

Bro first and foremost you're wrong!!!!...you havent reached your peak...not close...your growth platelets arent even done yet.Now the guys are trying to steer you away from Fu**ing yourself up.Please listen.Go back and check your nutritional intake and your training.The guys know how we feel about advising youngs guys and AAS....what do you want to gain???/10 15 pounds???...trust me that can be done ona bulk cycle of FOOD and hard training.

[SMAN12b]

i said i am only going to use test prop 20ml possibly get a third

still not enough

a decent cycle would be 500mgs/week for 10-12 weeks do the math

if your prop is 80mgs and you do your EOD for 10 weeks, that is 35 shots or 2800mgs
at 12 weeks it would be 3360mgs

still say you shoudl go ED if you are gonna do it

[Bigmax]

Oh yeah and ive said it once and i'll say it again...anyone that will tell you to use AAS or advises you to do them should be hung by their BALLS!!!!!

[pumpd4lif]

i understand that but i feel like ive reached my peak and cant pass it i eat properly chicken brown rice potatoes fruits vegetables protein shakes cheese and all that shit i am the biggest in my close family dads immediate side and moms immediate size and i just want a little help

lol ur 19 how could u have even come close to ur peek .u def are not training or eating properly and if u dont know how to do that then u probably dont know much about aas.step back get ur training in line cause without great diet and dedication to working out and diet aas isnt shit bro.and y would u want to start tonight u dont even have everything what if u get thru this half a$$ cycle and ur nolva never comes in people dont plan to fail they fail to plan please dont be another satistic.

[SMAN12b]

PCT ????????

[Bigmax]

SMAN we're not even going that far!!!

[tyayo]

pct nolva 20 mg/ed starting 2 weeks after last shot

[SMAN12b]

pct nolva 20 mg/ed starting 2 weeks after last shot

Just nolva? no clomid, no HCG , no provirion??

Have fun with NO wood!!!

[tyayo]

all i am looking for is an edge a shortcut i guess you can say i want to go into football mean as hell or meaner than i am i know its not the greatest cycle its a straight test cycle for 6 ot possibly 9 weeks followed by pct using nolvadex i do understand why you guys are advising me not to do this have read your test levels increase until you 26 but this is what i want to do

[SMAN12b]

all i am looking for is an edge a shortcut i guess you can say i want to go into football mean as hell or meaner than i am i know its not the greatest cycle its a straight test cycle for 6 ot possibly 9 weeks followed by pct using nolvadex i do understand why you guys are advising me not to do this have read your test levels increase until you 26 but this is what i want to do

Well then you certainly dont' need any of our advice then.

Good luck. Hope its worth not being able to have sex!! I am sure your hand wont' mind...............

[tyayo]

so nolva and what else to keep my sex drive

[HORSE~]

Dude read this thread

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=212234

And check out the pct forum here's the link

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=77

If you take the time to read all the info that I gave you linke's to you youll be able to determine what to run even though it is a bad bad idea to start aas at your age

Bro if you are smart you will wait a few more year's before you decide to do a cycle

Good luck with what ever you do I am thru with this thread

Please be smart and wait a few year's to cycle