Cycle Advise

[Greenzx10]

Hello All

After much thought and debate about going on my first cycle i have finally decided to man up and get on the bus...

I am not good with my stats, truth be told i have never taken a pic or measured myself.

I do know my BF% is about 15%, i am 34yrs old and my waist size is a 32" and i am 5ft 9"
hope that helps...

I have been working out for 2 yrs now with consistant schdules at the gym, actually i am there Mon-Friday with Saturday and Sunday off and every other Thursday. I have switched my routine many time to try to gain size then to cut then back to size. All this time i have noticed an incredible increase in strenght for someone who olny uses suppliments.

Well anyway, this is what i was thinking about doing, on the advise from someone at the gym...

10 week cycle

Week 1-5
500mg of sustanone250, 250mg twice a week
200-300mg Decca, 100-150mg twice a week

Week 5-10
500mg of sustanone250, 250mg twice a week
200-300mg Decca, 100-150mg twice a week
Winni Tabs 2 tabs per day for 50 days.

I am dedicated to my routine and diet, but i want to gain more then what i have gained over the last couple of years of hard work... I want the extra little punch to get me there.

So if someone would be kind enough to just let me know if this is a good cycle to start or is it to much, too little or am i way off here.

But, i have made up my mind to start a cycle and i am just checking with you guys on this forum for some good honest advise.

Thanks

[Panzerfaust80]

With all that info you forgot to mention ur weight man. Id up the deca to 400 mg /wk, or at very least do 300. and why the winny at the end?

[10nispro]

No need to jump into the deep water when learning how to swim. Keep it simple and stay with one compound. You don't even know how your body is going to react, and if so, what it is reacting to. Also, what are you doing for a pct?

[10nispro]

There are other things wrong with the cycle, but lets take it slow and answer the other questions first.

[Greenzx10]

forgot my weight, 187lbs

Not sure about the PCT yet, i was going to ask on this forum once i nailed down what cycle i am doing...

[Greenzx10]

regarding the winni. I was told that it will help keep most of my gains and cut me up at the end...

[ricker35910]

don't take sust twice a wk take 125mgs eod, that'll still give you 500mgs per wk and you'll have steady levels.

[CheddaNips]

don't take sust twice a wk take 125mgs eod, that'll still give you 500mgs per wk and you'll have steady levels.

yes sust is shot EOD. Since this is your first exp. either stick with the sust only or go to a long estered test for less shots.

[Greenzx10]

I am confused...

Can someone break this down for me.
I am being advised to take all 3 or at least the sus250 and the decca...

Please elaborate...
Since I am going through with this I want to do it right the first time to get the full benifits...

[Big]

No need to jump into the deep water when learning how to swim. Keep it simple and stay with one compound. You don't even know how your body is going to react, and if so, what it is reacting to. Also, what are you doing for a pct?

don't take sust twice a wk take 125mgs eod, that'll still give you 500mgs per wk and you'll have steady levels.

yes sust is shot EOD. Since this is your first exp. either stick with the sust only or go to a long estered test for less shots.

good advice here^. stick with one compound, either sust shot eod, or a long ester test shot twice a week.
Plan your pct and get all pct compounds on hand before you start the cycle.

[longhorn814]

first cycle..do nothing more than test and a proper PCT

[Greenzx10]

[QUOTE]good advice here^. stick with one compound, either sust shot eod, or a long ester test shot twice a week.
Plan your pct and get all pct compounds on hand before you start the cycle

This is what i am confused about.

What would be a better option for test other then sustanon250.... and why are all the guys here telling me that using one compound is a waste of time that i need to stack it with at least two.

As for PCT ( pre-cycle thearapy ) is that correct... can i get some advise with that as well.

[Big]

and why are all the guys here telling me that using one compound is a waste of time that i need to stack it with at least two.

who are "all the guys"? I just counted 5 of us in this thread alone telling you test only.

[Greenzx10]

who are "all the guys"? I just counted 5 of us in this thread alone telling you test only.

the guys at my gym... they have been advising me on what to take and how much...

I like your idea of one compound only for my first time since i am nervous as hell...

So.... what whould be my options then ?

[taiboxa]

[QUOTE=Greenzx10;3835931]

good advice here^. stick with one compound, either sust shot eod, or a long ester test shot twice a week.
Plan your pct and get all pct compounds on hand before you start the cycle

This is what i am confused about.

What would be a better option for test other then sustanon250.... and why are all the guys here telling me that using one compound is a waste of time that i need to stack it with at least two.

As for PCT ( pre-cycle thearapy ) is that correct... can i get some advise with that as well.

post cycle therapy.
and test is test just run sust like you would testE, the dosage ur going to run will be so small that the small esters will have lil to no impact on your hormonal fluctuation that would be any different than your normal hormonal fluctuation.
2ml sust = like 60mg of prop and 120mg PP on a weekly basis. since the long esters are going to stack on themselves and remain constant i wouldn worry to much bout EoD administration w/ sust just do every 3-4days

[Big]

good advice here^. stick with one compound, either sust shot eod, or a long ester test shot twice a week.
Plan your pct and get all pct compounds on hand before you start the cycle.

my recommendation^

[Greenzx10]

[QUOTE=taiboxa;3835961]

post cycle therapy.
and test is test just run sust like you would testE, the dosage ur going to run will be so small that the small esters will have lil to no impact on your hormonal fluctuation that would be any different than your normal hormonal fluctuation.
2ml sust = like 60mg of prop and 120mg PP on a weekly basis. since the long esters are going to stack on themselves and remain constant i wouldn worry to much bout EoD administration w/ sust just do every 3-4days

Can you please explain this more clear... I am confused now on what i am doing here

Sustanon250 or Test E... and do i stack with deca or do alone.

[longhorn814]

test is test, basically...if youve got the sust..use it..if not get some test e instead..no need to run deca or anything else your first time..some people will tell you you have to shoot sust EOD..but you can get by with shooting it twice aweek..will it make a difference??probably not

[Greenzx10]

test is test, basically...if youve got the sust..use it..if not get some test e instead..no need to run deca or anything else your first time..some people will tell you you have to shoot sust EOD..but you can get by with shooting it twice aweek..will it make a difference??probably not

Nice and blunt... thanks

I will run the sust250 only....
can you help me with the PCT please?

[longhorn814]

for PCT you could do basic clomid and nolva, 100mg and 20 mg respectively for 30 days..thats just one option..basically everybody is different and some people recover better than others using the same protocol..really you just have to try and find out what works best for you..read all the crap in the PCT forum so you know how the different compounds work and decide what you want to try first

[Greenzx10]

One last thing then i am good to go... i think !!!

My age (34yrs) is not to old to start doing this... if i continue to work as hard as i have been and diet like i have been, is going on sust250 going to make my look fat?

[legobricks]

Go to the PCT forum and read on what PCT is, why it is needed, and how it can be used with different chemicals. All PCT chemicals (besides HCG which you wont need anyways) can be found at our boards sponsor www.ar-r.com

Many have used this site as well as I and had great success with quality and receiving the product.

[legobricks]

One last thing then i am good to go... i think !!!

My age (34yrs) is not to old to start doing this... if i continue to work as hard as i have been and diet like i have been, is going on sust250 going to make my look fat?

Not at all. You may bloat up a little bit (water weight) but it will no where near be like fat weight. Also, diet and exercise will depict whether or not you gain some fat on this cycle.

[Greenzx10]

Thank you all for the help...

Running an accounting company and being a father of two younge children takes up most of my time. All my workouts are done in the early mornings from 6am until 8am... 1/2 hour of cardio every day...

I am horrible with technology but i would like to put up some before and after pics as i plan to start my cycle this week...

Once again... Thanks

[Big]

Don't forget one of the most important things, the larger you get, the slower your sportbike will be with you on it.

[Greenzx10]

Don't forget one of the most important things, the larger you get, the slower your sportbike will be with you on it.

haha... good one Big.

I just may have to trader it in for the zx14... isnt the saying something like this " go big or go home "

[mick86]

One last thing then i am good to go... i think !!!

My age (34yrs) is not to old to start doing this... if i continue to work as hard as i have been and diet like i have been, is going on sust250 going to make my look fat?

I dont think your ever to old to benefit from steroid use. In fact, testosterone replacement therapy should be mandatory for all men over 35, lol. If you do another cycle I recomend next time using a long single easter testosterone like enanthate or cypionate. Its eaiser to keep your blood level even on them. Best of luck with your cycle.

[Greenzx10]

Back again !!!

Decided after reading and reading and reading not to do the Sust250, kind of nervous of the side effects.

I have two questions that I hope someone can clear up for me.

about 7 years ago I had a problem with my pancreas. the doctors thought at the time it might be pancreatitis . it actually was just really high cholesterol and they put my meds. Fenofibrate 200mg every night for the last 7 years.

Since I have started working out and eating proper my last blood test was normal for all my cholesterols.

Questions 1, if I do a Anavar cycle is that going to be a issue with my meds and cholesterol ?

Question 2, after talking to a few folks and reading allot, it really looks like anavar is a good cycle to start with. I am not really looking to bulk up all that much and if I could cut and tone and shed a few more % of BF I will look much bigger and better..

Let me know if I am on the right track with this.

Hey BIG need to stay lean to keep the bike running at peak performance... haha

[taiboxa]

any oral aas is going to dick w/ your cholesterol and you would be much safer going w/ test