In Need Of Dire Help!

[baylee73]

Here I go! I've done umpteen million cycles in the past. Being a youngin in my earlier years, I didn't know better, so I didn't have PCT. I've gotten smarter over the years. So now I suffer from residual gyno. the weird thing is... the last cycle I did, Prop/Tren/Anavar/Masteron w/femara (letro) gave me no gyno whatsoever (actually literally took it away). But on this cycle I just started 3 weeks ago, is giving me some crazy gyno reocurrences. my cycle consists of...

250 test enan/wk
200 deca/wk
50mg primo/eod
25mg d-bol/ed (FIRST TIME EVER DOING D-BOL)

w/this small amount of dbol and test, I don't get what's going on. tried combatting w/femara (letro) and still no help.

do you think I should up the femara (right now at .75mg)?
or
cut down more on the dbol?

I don't like the way i'm looking. I only have 4 more weeks of bulking til I start cutting for my show in June, but I just can't stand this gyno. PLEASE HELP!

STATS
5'6"
200LBS
15% BF
8 YEARS TRAINING
CYCLES: AT LEAST 7.

[Elexecution]

you really should be running nolva with that cycle.. i always do nolva it's great no sides no gyno and doesnt hinder gains

[baylee73]

I live in Hawaii. It's very hard nowadays to get anything oral. I had femara from a long time ago. any other ideas. I also have arimidex and clomid, but I've been saving that for closer to contest time.

[PT]

you really should be running nolva with that cycle.. i always do nolva it's great no sides no gyno and doesnt hinder gains

Who told you that? nolva can reduce igf levels therfore reducing gains

[legobricks]

No, nolva will increase PgR while running deca resulting in worse gyno. Try getting some caber, bromo, dostinex.

[PT]

Here I go! I've done umpteen million cycles in the past. Being a youngin in my earlier years, I didn't know better, so I didn't have PCT. I've gotten smarter over the years. So now I suffer from residual gyno. the weird thing is... the last cycle I did, Prop/Tren/Anavar/Masteron w/femara (letro) gave me no gyno whatsoever (actually literally took it away). But on this cycle I just started 3 weeks ago, is giving me some crazy gyno reocurrences. my cycle consists of...

250 test enan/wk
200 deca/wk
50mg primo/eod
25mg d-bol/ed (FIRST TIME EVER DOING D-BOL)

w/this small amount of dbol and test, I don't get what's going on. tried combatting w/femara (letro) and still no help.

do you think I should up the femara (right now at .75mg)?
or
cut down more on the dbol?

I don't like the way i'm looking. I only have 4 more weeks of bulking til I start cutting for my show in June, but I just can't stand this gyno. PLEASE HELP!

STATS
5'6"
200LBS
15% BF
8 YEARS TRAINING
CYCLES: AT LEAST 7.

that primo dose is way to low to do anything. personally i dont see results with primo unless i shoot 5-600mgs a week. maybe its the d-bol giving you the gyno since you didnt use that last time. try dropping it for a week. if you didnt have problems with the tren last cycle then i doubt that low dose of deca will effect you

[Elexecution]

Well when I ran it I gained wonderfully and reached all of my goals of the cycle, maybe if I wasn't taking it I would have gained even better but it didn't seem to hinder me much... i was on a low dose, and i was not on deca

[legobricks]

Well when I ran it I gained wonderfully and reached all of my goals of the cycle, maybe if I wasn't taking it I would have gained even better but it didn't seem to hinder me much... i was on a low dose, and i was not on deca

Exactly. This guy IS on deca and nolvadex during any 19nor cycle will be asking for trouble. Nolva is fine for test and things. YEs iIts been shown to reduce IGF1 levels but its very little. I wouldnt use nolva if I was using IGF and AAS tho, id opt for an AI.

[mick86]

Here I go! I've done umpteen million cycles in the past. Being a youngin in my earlier years, I didn't know better, so I didn't have PCT. I've gotten smarter over the years. So now I suffer from residual gyno. the weird thing is... the last cycle I did, Prop/Tren/Anavar/Masteron w/femara (letro) gave me no gyno whatsoever (actually literally took it away). But on this cycle I just started 3 weeks ago, is giving me some crazy gyno reocurrences. my cycle consists of...

250 test enan/wk
200 deca/wk
50mg primo/eod
25mg d-bol/ed (FIRST TIME EVER DOING D-BOL)

w/this small amount of dbol and test, I don't get what's going on. tried combatting w/femara (letro) and still no help.

do you think I should up the femara (right now at .75mg)?
or
cut down more on the dbol?

I don't like the way i'm looking. I only have 4 more weeks of bulking til I start cutting for my show in June, but I just can't stand this gyno. PLEASE HELP!

STATS
5'6"
200LBS
15% BF
8 YEARS TRAINING
CYCLES: AT LEAST 7.

I believe that not only does Masteron not aromitise, but it can also prevent other steroids from aromatising. I think that would have helped reduce the gyno but you were lucky to avoide the progesterone driven gyno from the tren(as its a 19-nor) Im not sure if Masteron can help with progesterone gyno, though I guess if it could effectivly keep estrogen levels to a minimum then even with some progesterone gyno wouldnt usually develop.

[Elexecution]

Exactly. This guy IS on deca and nolvadex during any 19nor cycle will be asking for trouble. Nolva is fine for test and things. YEs iIts been shown to reduce IGF1 levels but its very little. I wouldnt use nolva if I was using IGF and AAS tho, id opt for an AI.

I'm going to be doing that in my upcoming cycle this May, IGF along with the 19nors.. both of them actually

[legobricks]

I'm going to be doing that in my upcoming cycle this May, IGF along with the 19nors.. both of them actually

Nice bro! Yeah youll blow up nice! Make sure to have an AI on hand during cycle as well as some type of prolactin inhibitor like bromo, dostinex, or caber. Vitamin B6 at 100mg per day works ok as well.

Ok,

[Elexecution]

Yeah this will only be my 2nd cycle with something besides test added in, so I'm pretty excited... i am a bit concerned with the gyno but ive never been prone to it so a low dose AI should be fine

[baylee73]

Never had any gyno from deca or tren, but I definitely believe it's from the dbol. I just don't understand w/such a low dosage, why I'm getting that puffiness. I hate it and just upped my femara dosage, but I'll try like someone said, lay off for a week. Do you think it has anything to do w/the extra water and fat retention? Cause I know that when cutting on my last cycle, the gyno went down to practically nill.

To respond kindly to the bro who said the primo is too little. I respond very well and am very sensitive to low amount of AAS. That is why the test is on hte low side as well as the deca and dbol. As you can tell, I'm not responding well to the Dbols.

[baylee73]

Anybody w/any experience or knowledge on this matter w/the means that I have. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!

[coot589]

I think anavar helps with gyno not sure but I had nipple soreness and little bumps from last cycle and now I am on anavar to cut alittle before I start my next cycle and one of my nips is completely healed and the other is smaller and does not hurt not sure why but it is worth a try I think

[Phate]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758

this is the link for a PCT thread by Anthony Roberts, its very extensive and thorough, but at the end he shows what he thinks is the ultimate PCT and gives reasons why in the post, hope this helps.

[baylee73]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758

this is the link for a PCT thread by Anthony Roberts, its very extensive and thorough, but at the end he shows what he thinks is the ultimate PCT and gives reasons why in the post, hope this helps.

I see what ur saying but i'm not in PCT mode right now. I'm in mid-cycle, so PCT wont do the trick right now. I've read A.R.'s thread about PCT and anti-e's along w/A.I., but I just don't know why I've taken alot of test before and haven't seen this type of gyno. I think it's gotta be the d-bol. I guess my body's just not responding well to d-bol? go figure. I'll try halting d-bol use for a week and see what's the result w/that.

thanks for all the input guys. I don't think me + dbol = not good!

[dupa95]

CYCLES: AT LEAST 7 5'6"
200LBS focus on pct