I need you help guys!

[akuma04]

Hello everyone, this is my second thread I'm doing. I really need your help, I been reading a lot and there are so many people that done there first mini cycle. I want to start with my first cycle but i am confuse because everyone is using different things to start. I need someone that can help me with my first cycle. I am looking to gain muscle and then do another second cycle and then cut up for the next sprint of 2009 and just get ripped, you know how we all want that body. I need someone that can tell me what to take, how much, where to inject and before and after or ones a week. what diet should i follow. I been to so many forums that I know of and so far this is the best one. All I'm asking is a little bit of help. I don't want to make mistake that is why i read of a lot of other people thread but it's tuff to stay on track. I hope that you guys understand me. thank you for ready and for helping me.

[arenawarrior]

First cycle. should be your base.

Test E 250 a week 500mg a week total. For 10 weeks
Diet should be ( look at diet section)
whats your age, weight, body fat, Experience with trainning and all that

[redz]

People are not going to tell you everything. You need to do research for yourself I can give you some basics but if you dont know how to train you will not gain also you need to figure out your own diet people arent going to spoon feed you everything when it can all be found with the use of the search button. Having said that I will help you out a bit.

You should use Test E or Test C at about 500mg per week split into 2 injections spaced 3.5 days apart so say mon morning and thurs evening. This should be taken for about 12 weeks. I also noticed you didnt post anything about pct.

PCT is post cycle therapy and you HAVE to do one. The pct will start 2 weeks after your last injection and should include a serm and ai. This you will have to research on your own but some examples are:

Nolvadex
Clomid

arimidex (aka l-dex)
aromasin
letrozole

So read up on those things befor jumping into this. Also for injections check this site:

www. s p o t i n j e c t i o n s.com

I prefer quads and use a 25G 1" needle to inject for glutes you will need a longer pin say 1.5". That should give you some idea but you must research for yourself this is serious business putting chemical compounds into your body.

[arenawarrior]

Also.. PCT is a must. Go check out the PCT forums on Test E. Do a bit of research.

You should be using anywhere from 18-23 pins to draw from. and 20-27 to inject with. Most people inject in the Glute.. with a 1.5 pin.

[akuma04]

Age - 23
weight - 170
Body Fat - I think i have 14% to 16%
Experience with training - I been training on and off since i was 17

[akuma04]

Yes I am going to do more research, It just that it's hard to know what's the right choice for the first cycle. I know that nobody going to give me the whole recipes, but I'm just asking to start off. I'm tired of not having what i want. I notice that i waste to much money on gnc products that some of these things don't work at all. I might as well buy the real thing. I want to look fit for next year. by the way what's pct?

[Reed]

How is you training looking, have you been training solid for about a year now or just starting back. What about the diet, post your diet. Like people told you before you need to do research. And since you don't know what Post Cycle Therapy is you more than likely no where near ready for a cycle. Remember steroids are not the answer, its serious business and should only be taken by those who are serious and don't half ass. Also if your just trying to look fit your best bet is to get a good solid diet and train your ass off, steroids are not needed for that goal

[akuma04]

Right now i'm not going to the gym, because I am tired of not seen result. yes you are right i need to do more research before taking anything. when i train i work out i train really hard. monday to friday and sometimes sunday. my diet is always on point. I just want to look like ryan reynolds when he did the movie blade 3.

[Reed]

Well thats the first mistake, your not seeing results cause your not going to the gym. You could probably look like that without steroids. Post your diet and workout regiment.

[akuma04]

Monday and Wednesday - check and biceps
Tuesday and Thursday - back and triceps
Friday and Sunday - Legs and shoulders

Oat meail with 3 eggs white 9am
Nitro tech 2 scoops with water 11am
chicken with half cup of brown rice 2pm
2 can of tuna with salad or broccolii 4pm
Nitro tech 2 scoops with water 6pm
2 tea spoon of beanut butter and 1 scoop of nitro for snack 8pm
CHEATING MEAL on Saturday night which is mcdonalds

[Reed]

Schedule looks decent, but workout your bi's with your back and chest w/ your tri's. Your diet definately isn't the best. Add some more egg whites in the morning and when do you workout?

[akuma04]

I work out between 2pm to 4pm. So you think i don't need to do a cycle if i want to look like ryan reynolds. At lease clen and T4 to cut down right? Yeah I will change my scedule every 3 month so that my body won't get use to the same thing all over again. I also do 1 hour of cardio. they say to do 45 min at low level so you won't lose muscle, but when i do that. I don't see my self sweating! I dont feel like im doing cardio. you get what i am trying to say.

[legobricks]

#1 way too many protein shakes, not enough real food.

#2 diet needs a lot of work anyways regardless of the shakes

#3 on and off since 17 doesnt cut it, how long consistantly have you been training

[akuma04]

3 years, this year i use Clen, but that just about it. I know i need to eat more chicken. I don't like eating red meat. Not good for my stomach. can you guys give me a clean diet with a cheating meal on saturday? and what work out.

[mkrulic]

First cycle. should be your base.

Test E 250 a week 500mg a week total. For 10 weeks
Diet should be ( look at diet section)
whats your age, weight, body fat, Experience with trainning and all that

should you have more info before suggesting aas?

[mkrulic]

3 years, this year i use Clen, but that just about it. I know i need to eat more chicken. I don't like eating red meat. Not good for my stomach. can you guys give me a clean diet with a cheating meal on saturday? and what work out.

there are forums for this. read the stickies at the top of the diet forum, how to cut/bulk. I think those two. you'll see them tho
do you have a copy of the arnold s. encylopedia of bb?

[legobricks]

I would also like to add that you are putting yourself at risk for overtraining so just watch your workouts.

[akuma04]

no, I don't have a copy of the arnold s. encylopedia of bb.

[akuma04]

how am i risking my self from overtraining? should i work out 3 times a week?

[mkrulic]

no, I don't have a copy of the arnold s. encylopedia of bb.

this is a must have. read and follow this and you will gain more in three months then you will in three years.

[legobricks]

how am i risking my self from overtraining? should i work out 3 times a week?

Becuase you are lifting each muscle group majorlly TWICE a week and also lifting 6 days per week with 1 off day.

You still have to take into account the muscle group that is worked during other days. For instance you do triceps and chest on monday and wednesday, your triceps also get a good workout on shoulder day too. Im guessing this is your current routine in which you may be "fine" BUT when on AAS you desire and can go heavier but the harder you push yourself the more your at risk for overtraining which can happen while using AAS. I do single bodyparts on seperate days like chest day, back day, leg day, etc.... Seems to work very well for me.

Listen to your body and see how you react. It would be more beneficial to push harder on 1 chest day vs going lighter on chest for 2 seperate days.

[akuma04]

ok, i will try one body part per week. and i am going to buy the arnold book. what supplement should i take? i was reading about pct. i don't understand what it is!

[mkrulic]

ok, i will try one body part per week. and i am going to buy the arnold book. what supplement should i take? i was reading about pct. i don't understand what it is!

protien. get the book and read how to work every muscle. read nutrition. put together a plan. make massive gains and once plateaued consider aas

[one8nine]

ok, i will try one body part per week. and i am going to buy the arnold book. what supplement should i take? i was reading about pct. i don't understand what it is!

when you cycle your natural test goes down
when you stop you have hormone levels like a girl
pct makes your body start working on its own again


workout
http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=3

diet
http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=6

[akuma04]

so i have to get pct in order to start taking my cycle?

[Phate]

so i have to get pct in order to start taking my cycle?

yes, but you aren't ready to cycle yet, seriously, if you can't gain muscle and cut fat from diet and training alone, then your results won't be much better by using AS

here is a diet that i use to cut, try it or something like it for a a couple months and see how it works for you, though i currently increase the carbs to about 150-200 per day as my gains are better that way

DIET 2

Macros: Food/Calories/Protein-Carbs-Fat

Meal 1: 60g Oatmeal/225cal/8gP-41gC-2gF
turkey (99/1)/260/54gP-0gC-3gF
2 Tbsp Mayo light 40cal/0gP-2gC-3gF

Meal 2: 40g Oatmeal/150cal/5gP-27gC-1.5gF
turkey (99/1)/260/54gP-0gC-3gF
2 Tbsp Mayo light 40cal/0gP-2gC-3gF

Meal 3: 40g Oatmeal/150cal/5gP-27gC-1.5gF
beef (96/4)/300/50gP-0gC-8gF
2 Tbsp Mayo light 40cal/0gP-2gC-3gF

Meal 4: 10mL flax oil 90cal/0gP-0gC-10gF
beef (96/4)/300/50gP-0gC-8gF
2 Tbsp Mayo light 40cal/0gP-2gC-3gF

Meal 5: 10mL fish oil 90cal/0gP-0gC-10gF
Tuna 170cal/42gP-0gC-0gF
3.5 Tbsp Mayo light 70/0gP-4gC-5gF

Meal 6: Tuna 170cal/42gP-0gC-0gF
3.5 Tbsp Mayo light 70/0gP-4gC-5gF
beef or turkey 150cal/25gP-0gC-4gF

macros:Calories: 2615
Protein: 335
Carbs: 111
Fats: 74

[akuma04]

what should my first cycle be? And what sort of PCT should I use with this cycle?

[akuma04]

thank you for the diet.

[Phate]

what should my first cycle be? And what sort of PCT should I use with this cycle?

apparently your gonna use, so research and read EVERYTHING in this post

CARDIO

cardio is, but the type of cardio is what he's talking about, running is not the best for fat burning

for low intensity long duration cardio i would use a stationary bike or walk at 3.0-4.0mph on a high incline for 30-50minutes

for HIIT training i would use a stairstepper, elliptical or stationary bike and do this
5minutes warm up
1min at 40-50% of max effort
30sec at 85-90% max effort
1min at 40-50% of max effort
30sec at 85-90% max effort
continue that for 15-20 minutes or until you can't go any more
then cool down for 5 minutes

low intensity will burn more calories from fat but will also burn less total calories as the intensity isn't as high as HIIT

HIIT training will burn a lower percentage of calories from fat, though not by much, i think the study i read said 10-12% max, but will burn many more calories total and will increase metabolism for up to 24 hours after cardio, this is called the afterburn effect, where you burn extra calories because of an increase in metabolic output

to give you an estimate i wlll outline one of my cardio routines

low intensity
3.2-3.5mph 8%incline on treadmill for 30minutes burns 350cal

HIIT
using what i outlined above i burn close to 500cal in 20-25minutes plus the extra that i get afterwards



DIET HELP

here is the diet that i'm on right now, it's a good base to go off of, listed below are things to help you create your own diet off it

1) One thing that will help you drastically is called carb tapering, if you notice the bulk of my carbs are in the morning and after my workout, i don't eat hardly any close to when i go to sleep

2) Another thing is that eat meal is either protein/carb or protein/fat and the fats are good fats(EFA=Essential fatty acids) from flax oil or fish oil. Try not to eat fat with carbs as the fat will become, well, fat since your body is made to be energy efficient, by putting carbs, which are easier to break down for energy, in the same meal as fats your body stores the fat for later and uses the carbs for energy, not what you want.

3) try to eat every 2-3 hours, this is the amount of time it takes for your body to digest a meal and by giving it a constant stream of food you will ensure that your metabolism is kept high, also, calories are not the same, protein has the highest thermodynamic effect, which means that it takes more calories to digest protein than carbs or fat, this also increases your metabolism

4) You should try to get at least 50-60g of protein in every meal, this is about the max your body can take at one time

5) here are some tricks for making eating so often easier, i know it's hard, i go to school 8 hours a day and i'm not allowed to bring food into class so i have to work around that
a) Make a weeks worth of food on your day off, go buy a ton of chicken, lean turkey and very lean beef and grill it, then put it in ziplock bags and label with the amount of calories and protein per bag, YOU WILL NEED TO BUY A CHEAP SCALE FOR THIS, YOU CAN GET THEM AT GNC, MAKE SURE YOU GET ONE THAT WEIGHS IN GRAMS.
b) save grocery sacks or get a lunch box and put a full three meals or so in there, lots of chicken, jerky, tuna, those are gonna be the staples of your diet

6) Don't drink more than two protein shakes a day, there are liquid and don't have the thermic effect normal food does, normal food should make up 95% of your diet, though a shake after workout or in a pinch is perfectly fine

that should get you started, i'm sure you'll still have questions so just keep posting and i'll help you however i can, i'll be in austin though for the next couple days for a state competition, though i'll try to get on at the hotel if you post and answer when i can, here's the diet i'm on to model after

Meal 1 - 5 egg whites (cal 80, pro18), Oats 80g (cal295 carb51 pro12 fat5), 1scoop whey (cal112, carb2.5, pro23, fat1.5). sprinkle cinnamon. TOTALS - Cal 485, carbs 53 pro 50, Fat 6.5

WORKOUT

PWO - 2 scoop whey (cal224, carb5, pro46, fat3), WMS 80g (cal280 carb68) TOTALS – Cal519, carbs73, pro58 fat 3

PPWO - Tuna 1/2 tin (cal 72,carb0 pro15 ), Oats 80g (cal295 carb51 pro12 fat4) 1scoop whey (cal112, carb2.5, pro23, fat1.5) TOTALS – cal480 carbs53 pro50 fat5.5

meal 4 - 175g chicken (cal289 pro54 fat5) Coconut Oil (cal83 fat9g) TOTALS – cal372, pro54, fat14

Meal 5 - 175g chicken (cal289 pro54 fat5) Flax Oil (cal83 fat9g) TOTALS – cal372, pro54, fat14

Meal 6 - 175g chicken (cal289 pro54 fat5) hemp Oil (cal83 fat9g) TOTALS – cal372, pro54, fat14

Before Bed – Lean Mince200g (cal328 pro51 fat12) TOTALS cal328 pro51 fat12

DAILY TOTAL Cal 2928Carbs 179 Protein 360 fat 68.5

Each chicken meal served with a handful of fibrous green veg bringing carbs to approx 200g per day in total.

DIET 2

Macros: Food/Calories/Protein-Carbs-Fat

Meal 1: 60g Oatmeal/225cal/8gP-41gC-2gF
turkey (99/1)/260/54gP-0gC-3gF
2 Tbsp Mayo light 40cal/0gP-2gC-3gF

Meal 2: 40g Oatmeal/150cal/5gP-27gC-1.5gF
turkey (99/1)/260/54gP-0gC-3gF
2 Tbsp Mayo light 40cal/0gP-2gC-3gF

Meal 3: 40g Oatmeal/150cal/5gP-27gC-1.5gF
beef (96/4)/300/50gP-0gC-8gF
2 Tbsp Mayo light 40cal/0gP-2gC-3gF

Meal 4: 10mL flax oil 90cal/0gP-0gC-10gF
beef (96/4)/300/50gP-0gC-8gF
2 Tbsp Mayo light 40cal/0gP-2gC-3gF

Meal 5: 10mL fish oil 90cal/0gP-0gC-10gF
Tuna 170cal/42gP-0gC-0gF
3.5 Tbsp Mayo light 70/0gP-4gC-5gF

Meal 6: Tuna 170cal/42gP-0gC-0gF
3.5 Tbsp Mayo light 70/0gP-4gC-5gF
beef or turkey 150cal/25gP-0gC-4gF

macros:Calories: 2615
Protein: 335
Carbs: 111
Fats: 74


TEST BEGINNER CYCLE INFO

here, i'll lay out some stuff for you,
first thing, you need to get your diet in check, here is some threads on cutting, lean bulking and pure bulking to give you some info, but you need to post your diet for critiqueing, your wasting your money otherwise

Diet

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=113010
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=75729
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=143553
http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/calories/calories.html

only when you have your diet down should you think about cycling, a beginner cycle should look like this

1-12 test e 500mg/week
1-4 dbol 40mg/day ( this is used to kickstart the cycle and is optional)

take your test injections 3.5 days apart, like monday morning and thursday evening

split your dbol up throughout the day, this will keep your blood levels stable, which means less sides and more gains

if you take the dbol, supplement with liv52 to help you liver cope with breaking down the dbol

btw, here are the profiles on the AS you will be using so read them and get to know the stuff your putting in your body

Test Enth
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199827

Dianabol
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199829

Next is your pct, which should begin two weeks after your last test injection and should be a phneedo's pct, whats that you ask? here it is

Pheendo's PCT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94626

while your at it read this one as well for future cycles

Anthony Roberts PCT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758


Now for some other important stuff, you need to have some arimidex on hand in case you start getting water retention or gyno, so get some, in fact, read this thread 3x before you start your cycle as it will tell you....

All You Need To Know About Gyno

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=236880

that should get you read for your cycle, best of luck

[akuma04]

wow, thank you for this reply. can i aim you if so. what time do you get online? my time is eastern -5.

[Nicotine]

Age - 23
weight - 170
Body Fat - I think i have 14% to 16%
Experience with training - I been training on and off since i was 17

you cant train "on and off", take a drug, and expect to be JACKED BY 2009!

not gonna happen. you'll endup disapointed.

%16 body fat is high.

fix your diet. fix your training. at 23, you should be able to grow pretty quick without the use of drugs, provided you find out what works best with your body. if you don't know what works best for YOU, then no drug you take will make up for lack of training/food.

[akuma04]

i been on and off because i use to go to different gym and it cost a lot. now im in nysc. and it's getting expensive. but i am going to get back on track. sometimes i feel like i need to take a brake.

[Phate]

wow, thank you for this reply. can i aim you if so. what time do you get online? my time is eastern -5.

i don't get on aim hardly ever

you cant train "on and off", take a drug, and expect to be JACKED BY 2009!

not gonna happen. you'll endup disapointed.

%16 body fat is high.

fix your diet. fix your training. at 23, you should be able to grow pretty quick without the use of drugs, provided you find out what works best with your body. if you don't know what works best for YOU, then no drug you take will make up for lack of training/food.

great post, akuma, you should listen to this cause it's spot on

[akuma04]

yes i am. I am writting it down every information i can get. thank you all. i still need more. i want to send a pm to see if you can help me with some other stuff.

[Phate]

yes i am. I am writting it down every information i can get. thank you all. i still need more. i want to send a pm to see if you can help me with some other stuff.

go for it, i'll help if i can

[akuma04]

Good luck with your competition. How much do you weight now and what's your body fat? do you have any picture on your post?

[Phate]

Good luck with your competition. How much do you weight now and what's your body fat? do you have any picture on your post?

no i don't have any pics yet, i'll post some in a couple months
stats
19
5'7-5'8
190lbs
10%bf

those are pretty close

[akuma04]

how many cycle have you had already?
how long do i need to wait for my second cycle?

[Phate]

how many cycle have you had already?
how long do i need to wait for my second cycle?

none, i'm natural so far, unless you count clen

i'm waiting another couple years to start my first cycle, i'm gonna try to get to around 210-225 at 8% before i start cycling

refresh me on your stats and your first cycle and pct

[akuma04]

how much of Nolvadex Clomid, arimidex (aka l-dex),aromasin,letrozole do i have to take? or which one is better to take.