First Cycle - Loading EQ & Test Cyp ?

[PhillyFan]

Putting together first cycle.

Looks like this:
1-10 400mg EQ weekly
1-10 500mg Test Cyp weekly
1-13 10mg Nolvadex Daily

PCT

Begin week 10
HCG 3000IU,
5 days after another 3000IU
5 days after 1500IU
6 days after 1500IU

Week 13:
40mg Nolvadex Daily
100mg Clomid daily

Week 14
30mg Nolvadex Daily
50mg Clomid daily

Week 15
20mg Nolvadex Daily
50mg Clomid daily


Some info:

43y/o,
working out more than 25 years on and off.
Recently on for 2 years.
Gaining mass has always been a problem... even with proper diet and exercise.
12%BF 5' 10 155lbs

2 Questions:
How does the cycle look?
Can I load EQ & Test in same syringe? Pros and cons of doing this, if any?


Thanks. Great info here!

[one8nine]

Putting together first cycle.

Looks like this:
1-10 400mg EQ weekly
1-10 500mg Test Cyp weekly
1-13 10mg Nolvadex Daily

test cyp needs to be run 2-3 weeks longer than eq
400mg of eq is nothing, dont waste your money on such a low dose
nolvadex on cycle greatly inhibits gains for multiple reasons, dont use it on cycle
use an ai on cycle:
letro, arimidex, or aromasin

PCT

Begin week 10
HCG 3000IU,
5 days after another 3000IU
5 days after 1500IU
6 days after 1500IU

this is way too much hcg, it will do the same thing to you as a small test cycle. use smaller dosages. 500iu 2x a week is MAX dosage imo

Week 13:
40mg Nolvadex Daily
100mg Clomid daily

Week 14
30mg Nolvadex Daily
50mg Clomid daily

Week 15
20mg Nolvadex Daily
50mg Clomid daily

clomid sucks, replace it with 4 weeks of proviron 50mg or aromasin 50mg
your pct is not long enough it needs to be 4-6 weeks

Some info:

43y/o,
working out more than 25 years on and off.
Recently on for 2 years.
Gaining mass has always been a problem... even with proper diet and exercise.
12%BF 5' 10 155lbs

2 Questions:
How does the cycle look?
Can I load EQ & Test in same syringe? Pros and cons of doing this, if any?


Thanks. Great info here!

yes, same syringe


diet
http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=6
theres a thread on hard gainers diets

[PhillyFan]

Thanks for the info! I am going to see what I can "get" and repost.

Would you replace the EQ with something else? ... OR a larger dose of EQ?

Thanks. And Nice legs!

[PhillyFan]

PS - Here is where i read about HCG dosing.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/cathcg.htm
One thing I have seen. There s a LOT of info out there!

[one8nine]

Thanks for the info! I am going to see what I can "get" and repost.

Would you replace the EQ with something else? ... OR a larger dose of EQ?

Thanks. And Nice legs!

what are your goals?
eq is mainly endurance, good hardness, okay strength. not much size though

[marcus300]

Forget the EQ, its a weak drug and alot dont respond to it, just stick with your Test only

[PhillyFan]

Looking to gain 20lbs muscle and get leaner over the next 1 1/2 year.
Want to be in the best shape of my life by 45. Is this realistic?


Week 1-13 500mg test Weekly
Week 1-13 .25mg Arimidex daily


PCT

Instead of the large oncle a week dose of HCG
Week 13 -17 Start during last week of cycle 250-500mg HCG 2x per week
Week 14-18 Nolvadel 40mgs, 40mg's, 30mg's, 20, 20, 10
Week 14-18 If I run the Arimidex (Supplier does not have letro or aromasin) stay with the .25mg daily?

Thanks again for any and all input.

[MR_T]

Looking to gain 20lbs muscle and get leaner over the next 1 1/2 year.
Want to be in the best shape of my life by 45. Is this realistic?


Week 1-13 500mg test Weekly
Week 1-13 .25mg Arimidex daily


PCT

Instead of the large oncle a week dose of HCG
Week 13 -17 Start during last week of cycle 250-500mg HCG 2x per week
Week 14-18 Nolvadel 40mgs, 40mg's, 30mg's, 20, 20, 10
Week 14-18 If I run the Arimidex (Supplier does not have letro or aromasin) stay with the .25mg daily?

Thanks again for any and all input.

Just curious, are you gyno prone?

[PhillyFan]

Hey T.

Never been on cycle - but natural no b**** tits.

[kaju]

just curious, why did you choose test c over test e?
depending on your goal eq will be fine, it is not a chemical that puts on large amounts of muscle. EQ is a great chemical that has different properties. It will help strengthen muscle and the tendons and give endurance. As oppose to test alone the muscle will strengthen but not the tendon. Too many people try it and because there muscles don't grow as much as if they were on another chemical they think it sucks. It don't suck. Its great for other purposes than growing large muscle. if you want large muscles and no endurance this is the wrong cycle. If you want good endurance and not too large muscle (your muscles will grow in this cycle just not as much as if you were on dbol or many others) this cycle will be fine. adjust your HCG as one8nine said. you may want to consider arimedex as "T" said.
I am bout to run the same cycle soon as I am 45 and do not want to gain too much muscle. Only difference is I will be running test e. I will also be running my cycle longer. good luck I'm sure you will meet your goals.

[one8nine]

Looking to gain 20lbs muscle and get leaner over the next 1 1/2 year.
Want to be in the best shape of my life by 45. Is this realistic?


Week 1-13 500mg test Weekly
Week 1-13 .25mg Arimidex daily


PCT

Instead of the large oncle a week dose of HCG
Week 13 -17 Start during last week of cycle 250-500mg HCG 2x per week
Week 14-18 Nolvadel 40mgs, 40mg's, 30mg's, 20, 20, 10
Week 14-18 If I run the Arimidex (Supplier does not have letro or aromasin) stay with the .25mg daily?

Thanks again for any and all input.

i like it all except nolvadex makes arimidex less effective, youll need 1mg per day in pct if you use it

[one8nine]

just curious, wht did you choose test c over test e

my guess is price or availability
for all practical purposes they are the same exact drug

[PhillyFan]

c Vs e is what i can find (The first cycle I posted was from a web-site sold as part of a newbee bulking cycle kit... except the HCG). I have a fondness for my balls.... we have been thru a lot together.

Since i am new at this, i do not have a reliable source... yet.

Could be either one. I am trying to see what i should have, and you guys have been a big help so far, then I will try to find what i need.

All opinions are very welcome. I would like to do this right and it seems there is not one right way. So at least as right as posible so I do not F-Up my endo system.

[MR_T]

Hey T.

Never been on cycle - but natural no b**** tits.

in that case bro I would just do test only, keep the Arimidex on hand but dont start it unless you get gyno symptoms.. It has been known to hinder gains.

[one8nine]

in that case bro I would just do test only, keep the Arimidex on hand but dont start it unless you get gyno symptoms.. It has been known to hinder gains.

if used incorrectly

[PhillyFan]

So what is proper way to "use correctly" One8??

[PhillyFan]

i like it all except nolvadex makes arimidex less effective, youll need 1mg per day in pct if you use it

So what would you substitute the nolvadex with in pct?

[PhillyFan]

PS - Here is where we were. Thanks!

Looking to gain 20lbs muscle and get leaner over the next 1 1/2 year.
Want to be in the best shape of my life by 45. Is this realistic?


Week 1-13 500mg test Weekly
Week 1-13 .25mg Arimidex daily


PCT

Instead of the large oncle a week dose of HCG
Week 13 -17 Start during last week of cycle 250-500mg HCG 2x per week
Week 14-18 Nolvadex 40mgs, 40mg's, 30mg's, 20, 20, 10
Week 14-18 If I run the Arimidex (Supplier does not have letro or aromasin) stay with the .25mg daily?

Thanks again for any and all input.

[PhillyFan]

Still reading and honing the cycle:

Here is where I am:


Week 1-13 500mg test Weekly
Week 1-13 .25mg Arimidex daily (If needed)


PCT
Week 14-18 Nolvadex 20mgs, 20mg's, 20mg's, 20, 10, 10
Week 14-18 Arimidex 1mg daily

1 - What about adding 50mg clomid or aromasin ON CYCLE to prevent testicle shrinkage/shut down?

2 - What about adding 1mg fincar ed ON CYCLE to help prevent hair loss?

Thanks.
Phillyfan

[PhillyFan]

PS - Here is a ???good??? link to an article for beginners. Please comment on it's advice.


www.timinvermont.com/fitness/test1.htm

[one8nine]

So what would you substitute the nolvadex with in pct?

my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4111013

[one8nine]

Still reading and honing the cycle:

Here is where I am:


Week 1-13 500mg test Weekly
Week 1-13 .25mg Arimidex daily (If needed)


PCT
Week 14-18 Nolvadex 20mgs, 20mg's, 20mg's, 20, 10, 10
Week 14-18 Arimidex 1mg daily

1 - What about adding 50mg clomid or aromasin ON CYCLE to prevent testicle shrinkage/shut down?

2 - What about adding 1mg fincar ed ON CYCLE to help prevent hair loss?

Thanks.
Phillyfan

hcg crash course
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4127466

estrogen/progesterone side effect control on cycle
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=354229