Okay I decided to make this thread so i can link to it later for people because i describe my pct opinion in almost every thread i try to help in so I'm just saving a little timeLet's also start by saying that you don't have to run post cycle therapy.........you also don't have to wipe your ass after taking a dump: it's just a really really good idea to do these things
Ok, so while we're on the cycle, are natural test production is going down to compensate for the exogeneous test intake, and our production of other steroid hormones (i.e. Estrogen, Cortisol, etc.) is going up to compensate for the heightened test levels. When we come off a cycle, we cease intake of exogeneous testosterone. In other words, we have very low test levels, and very high cortisol and estrogen levels: it's the EXACT OPPOSITE of what we had while starting our cycle.
pct should last 4-6 weeks. this is why:
SERM-Basically every drug has a half life, steroids included. If for example, you were to inject 1000mg of testosterone cypionate once weekly, for 10 weeks, how would you know when you were "off"? Would you be "off" when you had finished your last dose? You would be able to calculate this from the half life of testosterone cypionate. The half life of testosterone cypionate is around 12 days. This means that 12 days from your last shot of 1000mg of testosterone cypionate (Time to start PCT? You decide.), your blood levels of testosterone cypionate will contain 500mg of the steroid. Another 12 days from then, i.e. 24 days from last dose, your blood levels will contain 250mg of the steroid. This amount then keeps halving every 12 days. At 48 days (almost 2 months) from your last dose, your blood levels will still contain 67.5mg of testosterone cypionate.
Nolvadex should always be the base of a pct, between 20mg-40mg.
Clomid is OKAY if used correctly
many people abuse the drug by using dosages between 150mg-300mg and getting terrible side effects.
keep the dosage 25mg daily IF you use it.
AI-
By the right AI i mean either:
Proviron 50mg (lowers SHBG, lowers aromatization)
Aromasin 50mg (lowers aromatization, unaffected by nolva).
Two bad choices for AI in pct are letro and Arimidex:
letro can cause an estrogen rebound when stopped.
Arimidex and Nolvadex reduce each others effectiveness.
HCG-
For cycles over 10 weeks, or cycles including a 19nor, or cycles exceeding a gram per week i say include hcg. personally my hcg protocol is 4 weeks long, starting 2 weeks before pct, ending 2 weeks into pct at 500iu 2x a week.
for example
1-10 test e
1-8 deca
11-14 hcg
13-16 pct
now heres where i put it all together:
Good PCT = SERM + AI + HCG
1. hcg primes your nuts to get nice and juicy, a head start in growing back to normal, even before pct starts
2. Nolvadex blocks existing estrogen, allowing your body to get rid of it.
3. Proviron/Arimidex block the aromatize enzyme, preventing further creation of estrogen. Furthermore Proviron can bind to SHBG making the testosterone you already have more effective.
days after last shot to start pct:
Decanoate: 21 days
Cypionate: 18 days
Enanthate: 14 days
Propionate: 2 days
Acetate: 1 day
17aa/suspension: Next day
add one week if you are dealing with Nandrolone or Trenbolone, they have nasty metabolites that stick around after the ester clears
ex:
(-2)-2:hcg 500iu 2x a week (optional)
1-6: nolva 20mg ed
1-4: clomid 25mg (optional)
1-4: proviron 50mg ed OR 1-4: aromasin 50mg ed
heres my thread on AIs on cycle / dealing with side effects
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=354229
hcg crash course
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4127466
dosing your drugs
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4150818
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