Quick question

[Miller777]

My cycle is 12 wks 400mg deca 400mg test with tamixfen and clomid nearer end is it ok to draw both in same syringe and take as 1 shot

[Phate]

do you mean is it okay to take deca/test in the same shot, if so then yes it is, what type of test are you running?

[Miller777]

cheers test cypionate testabol

[Phate]

cheers test cypionate testabol

yeah that will work, so are you gonna shot both every 3.5 days?

what is your cycle, sorry i have to go to the gym but i'll check back in when i get back, though i'm sure someone(one8nine lol) will get to it before i do

[Miller777]

I was was just planning 1 shot a wk but Ill consider the 2 will it make a massive difference a take it

[one8nine]

I was was just planning 1 shot a wk but Ill consider the 2 will it make a massive difference a take it

you need to take it twice a week to keep blood levels stable. you dont need to double your dose, just instead of shooting 400mg once, shoot 200mg twice. otherwise youll have bad side effects if you dont do it often enough.

also you said clomid and nlvadex toward the end?
here is a thread i made on pct
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4111013
clomid sucks and that will help you get your start time for pct straight
also, do you have any letro on hand in case of side effects?

[Miller777]

cheers dude I found that helpful so wod u recomend I start my pct 18 days after last shot thats with deca and test stacked

[one8nine]

cheers dude I found that helpful so wod u recomend I start my pct 18 days after last shot thats with deca and test stacked

stop deca 3 weeks before pct, test 2 weeks before pct
ex:
1-9: deca
1-10: test
13-16 pct

[Browns4Life86]

I would run Test at 500mg a week and the Deca at 400mg a week. You ALWAYS want to run Test a little higher so it is your base. Trust me.

[Phate]

stop deca 3 weeks before pct, test 2 weeks before pct
ex:
1-9: deca
1-10: test
13-16 pct

correct me if i'm wrong, but i remember that you were supposed to run test two weeks past deca, then start pct two weeks after last test shot(this is assuming that the test you are using is enth/cyp)

[Jackt23]

correct me if i'm wrong, but i remember that you were supposed to run test two weeks past deca, then start pct two weeks after last test shot(this is assuming that the test you are using is enth/cyp)

Correct me if IM wrong haha, but woudlnt you stop the deca 15 days before pct and cyp 12 days since their half-lives respectively are 15 and 12, aka last shot of deca, wait 3 days, and last shot of test? then youd come off at same point?

so basically, if you have your shots split each week, do your first shot of both on the last week, then your shot of cyp 3 days later, then pct 12 days from that?

[Phate]

Correct me if IM wrong haha, but woudlnt you stop the deca 15 days before pct and cyp 12 days since their half-lives respectively are 15 and 12, aka last shot of deca, wait 3 days, and last shot of test? then youd come off at same point?

so basically, if you have your shots split each week, do your first shot of both on the last week, then your shot of cyp 3 days later, then pct 12 days from that?

no, because you use the active life, which is the amount of time it takes for the compound to be absorbed, used, and expelled, for pct.

i believe one8nine is correct on this matter as deca's active life is 21 days and test enth's is 14 days, but i've always heard that deca should be stopped two weeks before test enth so that pct times line up, but it never made sense to me due to the aforementioned active lives.

[Jackt23]

ahh tooshay...i havent been around for awhile, i need to refresh the mind....

yea i read 2 weeks too and i agree..doesnt make sense, and im plannin on going test e and deca soon so id like to know also haha

[Phate]

ahh tooshay...i havent been around for awhile, i need to refresh the mind....

yea i read 2 weeks too and i agree..doesnt make sense, and im plannin on going test e and deca soon so id like to know also haha

i'll go ask Big and see what he says

[Jackt23]

i'll go ask Big and see what he says

haha when in doubt, hit up Big haha

[Phate]

k, this is what big had to say about the test/deca pct timing

hi my friend.
this is one of the cases where book knowledge goes up against applied knowledge. in theory according to most written info the active life of deca is 21 days, yet everyone is different and many people feel ''shut down'' so to speak for as much as a month. that being the case myself and many others find that by stopping the deca a week earlier than the books would have you believe gives plenty of time for the uber-suppressive deca to clear your system before pct starts. people also need to pay attention to the ester of test more than they sometimes do, many assume stopping the deca 2 weeks prior to test is accros the board, but I saw a thread where the guy was doing deca and prop (don't ask me why lol) and someone advised stopping deca 2 weeks before the test. of course in that case the prop would clear very fast so the deca would have to be stopped much earlier for the pct start times to still line up.

[Miller777]

Cheers for excellent info dudes roll on 14 wks of serious training lol

[one8nine]

correct me if i'm wrong, but i remember that you were supposed to run test two weeks past deca, then start pct two weeks after last test shot(this is assuming that the test you are using is enth/cyp)

i guess it could go either way.
i know everyone parrots that way but i personally think 3 weeks before pct is fine
so if you really wanna be safe
1-8 deca
1-10 test e/c

but you were right phate, more than esters matter
for example, testosterone Decanoate, and Nandrolone Decanoate CANNOT be cut the same day. the metabolites left from the Nandrolone will still be in the users system after the exogenous testosterone, regardless of the fact both compounds have the same ester.

[Phate]

i guess it could go either way.
i know everyone parrots that way but i personally think 3 weeks before pct is fine
so if you really wanna be safe
1-8 deca
1-10 test e/c

but you were right phate, more than esters matter
for example, testosterone Decanoate, and Nandrolone Decanoate CANNOT be cut the same day. the metabolites left from the Nandrolone will still be in the users system after the exogenous testosterone, regardless of the fact both compounds have the same ester.

well i can't take credit for that, big helped me sort it out, alot of my knowledge i owe to him, lol

i was just confused cause i'm a chemistry/nuclear physics/biochemistry major so i'm so used to looking at data sheets and infering things, but i looked at the pct thing and i was like wtf?

but everyone's different, hell, i can take over 300mcg of clen without any sides and some people twice my size can't take half that

at the end of the day it's just what works best for the individual, lol

okay, i'll shut up now, lol

[one8nine]

well i can't take credit for that, big helped me sort it out, alot of my knowledge i owe to him, lol

i was just confused cause i'm a chemistry/nuclear physics/biochemistry major so i'm so used to looking at data sheets and infering things, but i looked at the pct thing and i was like wtf?

but everyone's different, hell, i can take over 300mcg of clen without any sides and some people twice my size can't take half that

at the end of the day it's just what works best for the individual, lol

okay, i'll shut up now, lol

long esters suck anyway.
but it doesnt hurt to start pct a little early....
i run tren a/test p/ masteron and i start pct the day after my last shot and go 4-6 weeks.
yeah i know the tren wont fully clear for a week fully, but i like to get a head start and it really doesnt do harm

[Phate]

long esters suck anyway.
but it doesnt hurt to start pct a little early....
i run tren a/test p/ masteron and i start pct the day after my last shot and go 4-6 weeks.
yeah i know the tren wont fully clear for a week fully, but i like to get a head start and it really doesnt do harm

go point, i'll go with that