any tips for keeping most gains and geting more ripped on pct???

[Elias]

pct: nolvadex ,clomid,arimidex ,clen .

training: 4days/week heavy lifting as usual.
cardio: 3 or days/week.

diet: high proteins,moderate carbs, low fat.

anything else?

[jg42058p]

insulin 10iu Post Work out


but becareful - insulin can be dangerous (read up on it)
Make sure you eat 10g of carbs per IU used - so 100g carbs for 10iu
(if you don't you might DIE)




It does work well though.
It wont make you ripped (doesn't have a fat burning property)
but insulin (the short acting kind - humilin-R) is VERY anabolic

[Elias]

no way am gona stick insulin in me ....i am still a beginner....is this the only way ??:S
am standing at 97kgs now and 10% bf! i wana try and get down to 8!

[gymfreak1978]

bro u cant advise the guy insulin without even considering his stats, diet, training & cycle history & so on !!!!

[one8nine]

pct: nolvadex ,clomid,arimidex ,clen .

training: 4days/week heavy lifting as usual.
cardio: 3 or days/week.

diet: high proteins,moderate carbs, low fat.

anything else?

yeah
drop clomid and arimidex
add proviron and hcg
hcg is a huge key in prepping yourself to get ready for pct, much easier to do pct when the only thing you have to do in it is control estrogen, as opposed to control estrogen AND grow your balls back

my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4111013

[nhl1]

I don't like to run letro anymore because its just a bit potent for my taste. But instead I just run the OTC supp of 6-oxo at 300 mg a day throughout my cycle and 600mg in my pct. And the thing is, it keeps my ballsl from shrinking!

I like nolva and clomid, still havent tried hcg . But the 6-oxo makes the transition so much easier. And if you want to get ripped have you considered cruising with primo, winny, or rar?

You can use those alone while still restoring your hpta, and that will shred ya up.

[Elias]

man they all shut u down! winstrol ,primo and var, they all shut u down to an extent.....

[one8nine]

I don't like to run letro anymore because its just a bit potent for my taste. But instead I just run the OTC supp of 6-oxo at 300 mg a day throughout my cycle and 600mg in my pct. And the thing is, it keeps my ballsl from shrinking!

I like nolva and clomid, still havent tried hcg . But the 6-oxo makes the transition so much easier. And if you want to get ripped have you considered cruising with primo, winny, or rar?

You can use those alone while still restoring your hpta, and that will shred ya up.

please no one take this advice it is very incorrect.
you cannot taky ANY steroid and fully restore your hpta.
also these drugs will get you strong and hard, but only your diet will "shred ya up"

[nhl1]

Lol. Well yah, but I'm assuming that this guy will take the 5 minutes to check out the androgenic /anabolic ratio and see that they don't cause total shutdown.

I didn't say FULLY restore your hpta while taking them, but your body can still produce testosterone while on them. Thats all.

Relax, I'm not telling the guy to start hitting 100mg of winny, var, and primo a day when he's done with his cycle. I'm merely suggesting an answer to his question...

any tips for keeping most gains and geting more ripped on pct???

My answer was suitable and correct. And fyi winny and primo will help you get shreaded, on top of their anabolic properties they have proven fat burning properties.

Trust me, you can take many steroids at small doses without completely knocking out your hpta and therefore will help you to keep your gains. I'm not saying its the safest or best route to go, but it does work. Simple as that. Easy, peasy, Japanesey.

[one8nine]

he said he wanted to do pct.
pct stands for "post cycle therapy "
you are suggesting to not even come off.. so why even take pct???
thats called not coming off

winny and primo bind strongly to the AR, meaning more calories are used for building muscle less for storing fat, while burning fat. they dont cut fat themselves.

[nhl1]

Thats the exact same thing I've read about winny and primo, and thats why I said fat burning PROPERTIES, (ie... you will get fat burning results. again, lol, didn't say that the steroid itself is a fat burner.)

And yes he can run his pct and then "cruise" to his next cycle with a chemical that doesn't cause total shutdown. Your body will be producing test and then you'll have something to help keep you strong and help you burn fat.

Look, Im merely suggesting something that works, lol. You can try all you want (as I have in the past) to in between cycles to keep your muscle and burn more fat but without other chemicals it's simply not going too happen. You upp your calories, you're just going to add on fat. You up your cardio, your hpta will reduce and you're going to go towards catabolic.

There is nothing you can do to keep everything you had on cycle without more chemicals, unless you take hgh which will give you muscular hyperplasia. Its just simple chemistry.

DON'T HATE THE MESSENGER!

[one8nine]

okay well i guess we are on the same page for "fat burning"

but honestly on is on off is off, you are simply recommending to him to just not come off steroids . this is called "blast and cruise" not cycling. cycling is cycle, pct, time off.

[john1181]

i think the owest dose of var would be the best route .125mg/lb...will even raise test le vels from what i read...

[one8nine]

i think the owest dose of var would be the best route .125mg/lb...will even raise test le vels from what i read...

post up that study.

[john1181]

here ya go brotha.....

Oxandrolone induced lean mass gain during recovery from severe burns is maintained after discontinuation of the anabolic steroid .Demling RH, DeSanti L.
Department of Surgery, Trauma and Burn Center, Brigham & Women's Hospital, 75 Francis Street, Boston, MA 02115, USA. [email protected]

Weight loss and lean mass loss from burn induced catabolism can be more rapidly restored when the anabolic steroid oxandrolone is added to optimum nutrition compared to nutrition alone. Our purpose in this study was to determine whether the regained lean body mass (LBM) is retained 6 months after stopping oxandrolone. Forty-five severe burn patients, entering the recovery phase were randomized into a nutrition group alone or with the addition of oxandrolone, 20mg per day upon admission to the acute burn rehabilitation (RH) unit. Oxandrolone was discontinued after at least 80% of the involuntary weight loss occurring in the acute burn period, was restored. Body composition was measured using bioelectric impedence analysis (BIA). We found that patients receiving oxandrolone, in the rehabilitation unit, regained weight and lean mass two to three times faster than with nutrition alone. The difference was statistically significant (P<0.05). All patients were discharged from RH on a nutrition and exercise program and monitored in the outpatient burn center. After 6 months, body weight and body composition were again measured. We found that the body weight and lean mass which was restored during RH, was maintained 6 months after discontinuation of oxandrolone. Lost lean mass was not yet restored in the nutrition alone group. We can conclude that body weight and lean mass which is lost, due to burn induced catabolism, can be effectively restored in the post-burn recovery period with oxandrolone. The body weight and lost lean mass which is regained, is maintained 6 months after stopping the drug.

PMID: 14636753 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[john1181]

Demling RH, Orgill DP.
The Burn Center, Brigham and Women's Hospital and Harvard Medical School, Boston, MA 02115, USA.

PURPOSE: Severe burn injury leads to marked catabolism and decreased lean mass, which can impair healing. Anabolic agents can attenuate net catabolism. Our purpose was to determine whether the testosterone analog, oxandrolone, given during the acute post burn period decreased the degree of nitrogen loss and loss of body weight while also increasing the healing rate of a skin donor site. MATERIALS AND METHODS: Patients with burns between 40% and 70% of body surface were studied. A randomized double-blinded placebo-controlled study design was used. Patients were given oxandrolone 20 mg/day (n = 11) or a placebo 20 mg/day (n = 9) beginning between days 2 and 3 post burn. Net nitrogen balance and the healing time of a standardized donor site were measured. Patients were monitored until transferred to a burn rehabilitation facility, an average time period of 33 +/- 9 days. RESULTS: Mean burn size was 49 +/- 8% for placebo and 53 +/- 9% of total body surface for the oxandrolone group. Smoke inhalation was present in approximately 50% of patients in both groups. All patients survived the burn injury. Net weight loss was 8 +/- 3.1 kg in the placebo group compared with 3 +/- 1.9 kg in the oxandrolone group, a statistically significant decrease. Net daily nitrogen loss over a 3-week period (days 7 to 28) was 13 +/- 4 g in placebo treated compared with 4 +/- 1.9 g for the oxandrolone group, a statistically significant decrease. The healing time of a standardized donor site, decreased from the placebo group value of 13 +/- 3 days to 9 +/- 2 days for oxandrolone treated patients, a significant improvement. No major liver dysfunction, or other complication attributable to an anabolic steroid was seen in either group. CONCLUSION: We found the anabolic agent, oxandrolone, significantly decreased weight loss and net nitrogen loss and increased donor site wound healing compared with placebo controls. We noted no complications with the use of oxandrolone.

[one8nine]

where is the part about test levels? you said it can raise test levels. you displayed its good for building mass/recovery. sure so its a good drug to cycle. not a good pct drug.

[john1181]

so along with pct, 10-20mg tops wouldnt reverse pct at all and could be carried out ven until after pct for 2weeks along with tribulus and maybe clen or hmb without significant decrease in hpta..i know i'm gonna continue my var 15mg/day all through out pct and for a month after! thats just me..i'll keep u posted..i've set up a before cycle pic thread so we will see how it goes.

[john1181]

i am loking i know i read it somewhere...no i suggested it would be perfect to use along with pct in order for maintaining maximum gained muscle..i just said i read somewhere that it increased test..one sec let me look..

[one8nine]

if you do do that please take weekly pictures/measurements starting the last day of cycle its would be a great "real life study"

[one8nine]

i am loking i know i read it somewhere...no i suggested it would be perfect to use along with pct in order for maintaining maximum gained muscle..i just said i read somewhere that it increased test..one sec let me look..

you could be confused
it does lower shbg
which increases the free test (you already have)
but so does proviron

[john1181]

no doubt bro i will..but why weekly? btw i'm too lazy t keep lokin g..who knows i might be confused..i'm just sure most elite bodybuilders bridge with var but mst with gh..its just weird how it hs gains..peranent ones..so that would also suggest little or no suppression..so even if i read wrong wich i didnt or if the articlewas bs then it doesnt stick..but f it doesnt suppress at low doses and if it has perman ent gains then why wouldnt it be a good during pct or bridge?

[one8nine]

yeah elite body builders dont do pct they dont even come off. okay not weekly but often ha ha.

because it does supress somewhat, it will not allow a full recovery. why even come off if youre not going to recover??? thats just staying on not pct and time off