Tren-E and Sust250 ???

**MD09** · 08-05-2008, 01:19 AM

Can I shoot these two compounds together in one shot?
Any sides that I should know about?
250mgs. of sust and 300mgs. of tren -e weekly.
Any responses would be greatly appreciated.

**Phate** · 08-05-2008, 01:21 AM

you can, but that doesn't mean you should

the sust is shot like a short ester test (ed or eod at most), while the enth is shot every 3.5 days

stats?
age
weight
height
bf%
cycle exp
training exp
pct?

what does your cycle look like?

**MD09** · 08-05-2008, 01:34 AM

30yrs., 6.0', 240lbs, 17-20%bf, 2nd cycle, lifting off and on since H.S.
PCT-Novldex through out, hcg 10-13weeks at 5000.

1-10 sust and tren -e 1mL. each
1-4 winny 100-150mg.ed
4-10 anavar 50mg.ed

**Phate** · 08-05-2008, 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by MD09

30yrs., 6.0', 240lbs, 17-20%bf, 2nd cycle, lifting off and on since H.S.
PCT-Novldex through out, hcg 10-13weeks at 5000.

1-10 sust and tren -e 1mL. each
1-4 winny 100-150mg.ed
4-10 anavar 50mg.ed

i don't like this cycle at all, and the pct is horrible

but that doesn't really matter because you shouldn't run the cycle till you are in the 12-14%bf range

btw, i think tren is not a good second cycle choice and how you have it now you're blood test levels will be all over the place because of all the different esters you have to deal with

post your diet and we'll critique it

**G4R** · 08-05-2008, 01:43 AM

How long ago was your first cycle?
And second, your BF% seems a little high, you may want to work on your diet first, IMO

**Phate** · 08-05-2008, 01:45 AM

Originally Posted by going4ripped

How long ago was your first cycle?
And second, your BF% seems a little high, you may want to work on your diet first, IMO

haha, beat ya to it

**G4R** · 08-05-2008, 01:45 AM

Originally Posted by Phate

i don't like this cycle at all, and the pct is horrible

but that doesn't really matter because you shouldn't run the cycle till you are in the 12-14%bf range

btw, i think tren is not a good second cycle choice and how you have it now you're blood test levels will be all over the place because of all the different esters you have to deal with

post your diet and we'll critique it

^^^^Dang, you beat me to it....

**Phate** · 08-05-2008, 01:45 AM

Originally Posted by going4ripped

^^^^Dang, you beat me to it....

great, and now you just beat me to the bragging rights, guess that makes us even

**G4R** · 08-05-2008, 01:46 AM

Originally Posted by phate

haha, beat ya to it

^^^^again!

**MD09** · 08-05-2008, 01:50 AM

My maintenance cals are 3100. My daily calorie intake is, 2500. these cals are spread out over 4 meals, including my protein supplements (1gram of protein per pound of my body weight) which is 248lbs.

I eat daily (random order); egg whites, nuts, lots of veggies, chicken breast, turkey, salmon, oatmeal, kidney beans, brown rice, 100% whole wheat breads.

**Phate** · 08-05-2008, 01:56 AM

Originally Posted by MD09

My maintenance cals are 3100. My daily calorie intake is, 2500. these cals are spread out over 4 meals, including my protein supplements (1gram of protein per pound of my body weight) which is 248lbs.

I eat daily (random order); egg whites, nuts, lots of veggies, chicken breast, turkey, salmon, oatmeal, kidney beans, brown rice, 100% whole wheat breads.

well, how bout going to sleep, then when you wake up and start your day, write down what you eat and how much at each meal so we can get an estimate and help change the timing

**MD09** · 08-05-2008, 02:01 AM

I start that and get back to you guys, thanks for your info!

**one8nine** · 08-05-2008, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by MD09

30yrs., 6.0', 240lbs, 17-20%bf, 2nd cycle, lifting off and on since H.S.
PCT-Novldex through out, hcg 10-13weeks at 5000.

1-10 sust and tren -e 1mL. each
1-4 winny 100-150mg.ed
4-10 anavar 50mg.ed

these guys prett much covered everything
but ill add a little

hcg should be used 500iu 2x a week at most
sust is NEVER a good cycle choice, get test e or test c instead
that winny dose is really high
you suggested 10 weeks of oral, very dangerous
nolvadex isnt enough for pct
you dont have an ai on cycle

gyno/sides
estrogen/progesterone and gyno/side effects INFO FOR NEW GUYS

my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/pct-post-cycle-therapy/354573-one8nines-opinion-pct-links-side-effect-control-too.html#post4111013

**MD09** · 08-06-2008, 01:44 PM

That's some good stuff. If I change my cycle to this;
1-10,300mg/week, tren -e.
1-10,250mg/week, test-e.
1-6, 50mg/ED, winny.

Would I need a heavy PCT? Due to this cycle being low doses.
Which One would work due to me being on tren? scince nolvadex is a no no when taking tren.
Doesnt winny, when paired with tren have a positive effect on progesterone sides?

I look forward to receiving your response, you have great advice.
Ive noticed your responses to other peoples post over the last year or so. You seem very informative on this subject. keep cool.
Thanks bro!

**one8nine** · 08-06-2008, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by MD09

That's some good stuff. If I change my cycle to this;
1-10,300mg/week, tren -e.
1-10,250mg/week, test-e.
1-6, 50mg/ED, winny.

Would I need a heavy PCT? Due to this cycle being low doses.
Which One would work due to me being on tren? scince nolvadex is a no no when taking tren.
Doesnt winny, when paired with tren have a positive effect on progesterone sides?

I look forward to receiving your response, you have great advice.
Ive noticed your responses to other peoples post over the last year or so. You seem very informative on this subject. keep cool.
Thanks bro!

those dosages are so low i really think that is a waste of a cycle, atleast make the test 500mg every week
you still need to split your test and tren into two shots, monday/thursday- not once a week
tren needs to be stopped 1 week before test to match up with pct times
you need a serious pct because tren seriously shuts you down
you need letro on that cycle, .25mg eod