1st cycle

[newbie-screwbie]

6'1 225 lbs around 12% body fat...39 years old...

basketball 2 days a week

lift 4 days a week

What do you guys suggest...ii would like to just take 1 product if possible..from what i have read i dont know about that.

Thanks.

I was thinking about cypionate .

[Ernst]

I suggest you do some research before posting a poor cycle question in the member's cycle results section. This should be posted in the steroid Q&A forum, where people would immediately attack your diet and obvious lack of research. To get you off on the right foot, check out the diet forum; and read the stickies before anything else. And by the way, it's "cypionate ". Sorry, I know that's not what you were looking to hear.

[Big]

I suggest you do some research before posting a poor cycle question in the member's cycle results section. This should be posted in the steroid Q&A forum, where people would immediately attack your diet and obvious lack of research. Sorry, I know that's not what you were looking to hear. To get you off on the right foot, check out the diet forum; and read the stickies before anything else. And by the way it's "cypionate".

6'1" 225lbs and 12%bf at 39, what makes you think his diet is poor? looks pretty damn good to me.
I'll move this to the Q+A section...

[newbie-screwbie]

I suggest you do some research before posting a poor cycle question in the member's cycle results section. This should be posted in the steroid Q&A forum, where people would immediately attack your diet and obvious lack of research. To get you off on the right foot, check out the diet forum; and read the stickies before anything else. And by the way, it's "cypionate". Sorry, I know that's not what you were looking to hear.

I dont need to know anything from anyone about diet, My wife is a dietician, not only is she a dietician, she has her PHD ...Now that we are back on the topic...

Any suggestions?

[Ernst]

I thought it said 21%. My bad.

[newbie-screwbie]

6'1" 225lbs and 12%bf at 39, what makes you think his diet is poor? looks pretty damn good to me.
I'll move this to the Q+A section...

Thanks , i actually do watch what i eat and i am very active. I just have no experience with steroids . I most likely will have a plan laid out before i do anything...Such as a visit to my doctor...PCT in place....I know guys that have done Anadrol and havent taken anything after they are done. They say they have no problems at all. I do not want to take that risk.

I do appreciate Ernst's comments, Im not looking for a miracle in a bottle. I will do my research as needed , Thanks for the concern.

[wukillabee]

Not a pro or anything but id say a basic test cycle to start. If u got good medical maybe u can get some hrt or trt covered by ur insurance and have human grade gear for free. Might not be an aas size dose but some is better than none and then u have less to buy on the black market. Test enth or cyp for 10-12 weeks at 500mg a week shot every 3.5 days for best blood levels like monday morning ad thursday evening. Use l-dex (arimidex ) on cycle starting at .25mg eod if u get bad bloat/acne sides which i dont think u will with a solid diet from ur wife. Pct id say nolva or tromifene for ur serm and aromasin for ur ai, nolva dosed at 20mg ed with 25mg of aromasin ed for 4 weeks or until ur test levels are back to normal, might take more than 4 weeks. Best way to find this out is to go to the doc and get ur test lvls checked before cycle, mid cycle, start of pct and/or at least towards the end of ur pct so u know for sure when ur levels r back. If u cant get the test from a trt or hrt cus they say ur levels r already normal u can try this. If ur doin a 10 week cycle, on week 13-13.5 go get the test done cus ur levels will be way low, then start ur pct asap after ur test. If ur not sure about some of the names like serm, ai, nolva, then search them on here and you'll find out tons of info. Just givin ya the basics. Oh, id recommend for ur pct to go with research chems cus their the same quality (usually) and very cheap! Might be able to get pct supplies frm ur doc too though if ur lucky. I cant wait till i get some real medical insurance and find a crooked doc to prescribe me some goods! Best of luck man and let me know if u need more info.

[one8nine]

great test choice bro! good research too!
test cypionate or test enanthate
weeks
1-10: 500mg test (250mg split 2x a week)
13-16 pct
keep arimidex on hand in case of side effects

what do you know about pct
my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/pct-post-cycle-therapy/354573-one8nines-opinion-pct-links-side-effect-control-too.html#post4111013

[wukillabee]

great test choice bro! good research too!
test cypionate or test enanthate
weeks
1-10: 500mg test (250mg split 2x a week)
13-16 pct
keep arimidex on hand in case of side effects

what do you know about pct
my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4111013

Did u just read my post and paraphrase or do u just know ur shit? Haha, j/k! Inside joke guys.

[rhino1]

hey 189....shouldn't you be at the gym or something? lol

yea screwbie its pretty cut and dry...of coarse do your research as far as aas goes...but you seem to have an advantage having your own personal dietition...

I wish my wife was a dietition

[BadBarbie]

hey 189....shouldn't you be at the gym or something? lol

yea screwbie its pretty cut and dry...of coarse do your research as far as aas goes...but you seem to have an advantage having your own personal dietition...

I wish my wife was a dietition

Living with a dietition is nothing to be jealous of. I just live with a wannabe and I can never get a cheat in!! it's like he can sense it when I am craving a brownie

[one8nine]

hey 189....shouldn't you be at the gym or something? lol

yea screwbie its pretty cut and dry...of coarse do your research as far as aas goes...but you seem to have an advantage having your own personal dietition...

I wish my wife was a dietition

ahahahah you kill me

[one8nine]

Did u just read my post and paraphrase or do u just know ur shit? Haha, j/k! Inside joke guys.

actually i was hoping no one would care to read your long winded paragraph and i could break it down into simple idiot proof format and take all the credit

[rhino1]

Living with a dietition is nothing to be jealous of. I just live with a wannabe and I can never get a cheat in!! it's like he can sense it when I am craving a brownie

Barbie...I know Im hard on my wife....I can only imagine how he is on you.

its probably like

"WHAT...you want a brownie???"

"AWWW HELL NO"

"but i never said I wanted a brownie"

"yea but you thought it"

[BadBarbie]

Barbie...I know Im hard on my wife....I can only imagine how he is on you.

its probably like

"WHAT...you want a brownie???"

"AWWW HELL NO"

"but i never said I wanted a brownie"

"yea but you thought it"

EXACTLYYYY!!!

it's the worst when we're grocery shopping. He watches what my eyes fixate on

[wukillabee]

actually i was hoping no one would care to read your long winded paragraph and i could break it down into simple idiot proof format and take all the credit

Haha, and that u did. SInce this guy seems like hes got his ish together i thought id give him quality advice and he could take it or leave it but at least i gave it. Now if this was another 1st cycle thread with someone whos 18+bf, 5 8', at 130lbs like a lot of em with that bein their first post and asking whats the best cycle, id click the back button on my web browser and move on. This is my good deed for the day, haha.

[BadBarbie]

Sorry about the hijacking. What are your goals? do you wanna get bigger, more cut, ect ect.

[rhino1]

lol....well....look in the mirror....can you blame him???

[wukillabee]

Sorry about the hijacking. What are your goals? do you wanna get bigger, more cut, ect ect.

Good point, forgot to ask that since he didnt really say. DOnt feel bad bout the hijack, the thread starter only has his first post while we have many. Hopefully he's busy researching.

[rhino1]

yea...learn all you can man...its no game...

[Southernillinois]

Screwbie, Hey man good luck with your first cycle, My first cycle i ran Dbol and Winstrol . It was a little harsh for my first cycle - loved the Dbol though, gave me a little bit of bloating but after i stopped the Dbol and started PCT all the Bloat went away and i was very cut and kept a lot of my gains. My buddy just finished his first cycle and he went with 6 weeks of Anadrol and did not use any pct and had awesome gains as well and minor side effects of acne and some aggression. Everyone is different though, do some research you'll find what you need!

[newbie-screwbie]

Living with a dietition is nothing to be jealous of. I just live with a wannabe and I can never get a cheat in!! it's like he can sense it when I am craving a brownie

You make an excellent point there. My wife has me scared to eat anything...lmao....It has is disadvantages , thats for sure.

[newbie-screwbie]

Good point, forgot to ask that since he didnt really say. DOnt feel bad bout the hijack, the thread starter only has his first post while we have many. Hopefully he's busy researching.

Im thinking about doing the phrophantae ( spelling ) I have a hook up for that..... what is a pct for that. Im doing my research now..but any advise would help..thanks guys. Im thinkin 250 mg a week.... i also have a hook up for the cyponate...spelling again...

[one8nine]

Im thinking about doing the phrophantae ( spelling ) I have a hook up for that..... what is a pct for that. Im doing my research now..but any advise would help..thanks guys. Im thinkin 250 mg a week.... i also have a hook up for the cyponate...spelling again...

propionate starter dosage is 50mg ed
cypionate is 2 shots a week totaling 500mg for starters

my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4111013

[newbie-screwbie]

Not a pro or anything but id say a basic test cycle to start. If u got good medical maybe u can get some hrt or trt covered by ur insurance and have human grade gear for free. Might not be an aas size dose but some is better than none and then u have less to buy on the black market. Test enth or cyp for 10-12 weeks at 500mg a week shot every 3.5 days for best blood levels like monday morning ad thursday evening. Use l-dex (arimidex) on cycle starting at .25mg eod if u get bad bloat/acne sides which i dont think u will with a solid diet from ur wife. Pct id say nolva or tromifene for ur serm and aromasin for ur ai, nolva dosed at 20mg ed with 25mg of aromasin ed for 4 weeks or until ur test levels are back to normal, might take more than 4 weeks. Best way to find this out is to go to the doc and get ur test lvls checked before cycle, mid cycle, start of pct and/or at least towards the end of ur pct so u know for sure when ur levels r back. If u cant get the test from a trt or hrt cus they say ur levels r already normal u can try this. If ur doin a 10 week cycle, on week 13-13.5 go get the test done cus ur levels will be way low, then start ur pct asap after ur test. If ur not sure about some of the names like serm, ai, nolva, then search them on here and you'll find out tons of info. Just givin ya the basics. Oh, id recommend for ur pct to go with research chems cus their the same quality (usually) and very cheap! Might be able to get pct supplies frm ur doc too though if ur lucky. I cant wait till i get some real medical insurance and find a crooked doc to prescribe me some goods! Best of luck man and let me know if u need more info.

Great info .....i will do my research as well... I dont know what doc will give me for this..i have to be honest with him and i dont think hes willing to do any of this kind of thing.

[newbie-screwbie]

propionate starter dosage is 50mg ed
cypionate is 2 shots a week totaling 500mg for starters

my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4111013

Im sorry..what is ed? ( 50 mg ed ) ?????

[one8nine]

Im sorry..what is ed? ( 50 mg ed ) ?????

everyday

check this post out it has a lot of info plus a crash course in short lingo

everything i know
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=352741

[newbie-screwbie]

everyday

check this post out it has a lot of info plus a crash course in short lingo

everything i know
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=352741

I just did that..Thanks . That is a ton of help. I read things and its hard to understand.I ll get there...

So what do you think about the test prophanate only cycle?

[one8nine]

I just did that..Thanks . That is a ton of help. I read things and its hard to understand.I ll get there...

So what do you think about the test prophanate only cycle?

propionate
its the best form of test but needs to be injected daily?
are you balls enough for daily injections, or would you prefer 2x a week?

[Banelord]

test P is the bomb but ED injection is not for eveyone, I think Test C twice a week to start should be fine.

[newbie-screwbie]

propionate
its the best form of test but needs to be injected daily?
are you balls enough for daily injections, or would you prefer 2x a week?

2x a week would be better for me.. Would that be cyponate?

[newbie-screwbie]

propionate
its the best form of test but needs to be injected daily?
are you balls enough for daily injections, or would you prefer 2x a week?

My buddy injects it 2 times aweek..he says it works for him...i dunno..why propionate every day ?

[one8nine]

My buddy injects it 2 times aweek..he says it works for him...i dunno..why propionate every day ?

Ester – Fatty tissue attached to a hormone, which controls the release of the hormone into the blood. The first word in the chemical name is the hormone, and the second word is the ester attached to the hormone; for example in Testosterone Enanthate the hormone is “Testosterone ” and the ester is “Enanthate ”. The only difference between Testosterone Enanthate, Testosterone Decanoate and Testosterone Propionate is the rate of release of the hormone into the blood stream.

Short ester – breaks down more quickly, requires EOD or ED injections. Examples are acetate and propionate

Long ester – allows for a slower break down, therefore 2XW injections. Examples are Enanthate and Decanoate.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=352741

[newbie-screwbie]

Ester – Fatty tissue attached to a hormone, which controls the release of the hormone into the blood. The first word in the chemical name is the hormone, and the second word is the ester attached to the hormone; for example in Testosterone Enanthate the hormone is “Testosterone ” and the ester is “Enanthate ”. The only difference between Testosterone Enanthate, Testosterone Decanoate and Testosterone Propionate is the rate of release of the hormone into the blood stream.

Short ester – breaks down more quickly, requires EOD or ED injections. Examples are acetate and propionate

Long ester – allows for a slower break down, therefore 2XW injections. Examples are Enanthate and Decanoate.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=352741

So you would go with the cyponate..i only have a hook up for those two..the prop and the cyp... What do you think..Im leaning to the cyp...i dont want shots every day....but which one is better..i hear the cyp is almost the same but takes a lil longer than prop...to see results.

[one8nine]

So you would go with the cyponate..i only have a hook up for those two..the prop and the cyp... What do you think..Im leaning to the cyp...i dont want shots every day....but which one is better..i hear the cyp is almost the same but takes a lil longer than prop...to see results.

im not scared of needles
the only thing that go in my body end in propionate or acetate

[newbie-screwbie]

im not scared of needles
the only thing that go in my body end in propionate or acetate

so you prefer the propionate then? Is their a difference in possible side affects between the 2?

[one8nine]

so you prefer the propionate then? Is their a difference in possible side affects between the 2?

cyp causes more bloating
by the time you know your cyp dosage is too high or low its too late
cyp takes 4-6 weeks to peak, 2 weeks to clear
prop takes 4-6 days to peak, 2 days to clear

[newbie-screwbie]

cyp causes more bloating
by the time you know your cyp dosage is too high or low its too late
cyp takes 4-6 weeks to peak, 2 weeks to clear
prop takes 4-6 days to peak, 2 days to clear

so u like prop? Do u inject every day? damn that will suck

Clear? The liver?

[Phate]

anyway, here is a little thing that i wrote that will help you with researching for a first cycle, even if you decided to do prop, the info in it will work for that as well

TEST BEGINNER CYCLE INFO

here, i'll lay out some stuff for you,
first thing, you need to get your diet in check, here is some threads on cutting, lean bulking and pure bulking to give you some info, but you need to post your diet for critiqueing, your wasting your money otherwise

Diet

UNoffical "How to Bulk" thread and sample diet...
UNoffical "How to Cut" thread and sample diet...
Appetite For Construction
http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/calories/calories.html

only when you have your diet down should you think about cycling, a beginner cycle should look like this

1-12 test e 500mg/week
1-4 dbol 40mg/day ( this is used to kickstart the cycle and is optional)

take your test injections 3.5 days apart, like monday morning and thursday evening

split your dbol up throughout the day, this will keep your blood levels stable, which means less sides and more gains

if you take the dbol, supplement with liv52 to help you liver cope with breaking down the dbol

btw, here are the profiles on the AS you will be using so read them and get to know the stuff your putting in your body

Test Enth
Anabolic Review Steroid Profile: Testosterone Enanthate

Dianabol
Anabolic Review Steroid Profile: Dianabol (Methandrostenolone)

Next is your pct, which should begin two weeks after your last test injection and should be a phneedo's pct, whats that you ask? here it is

Pheendo's PCT
Pheedno's PCT

while your at it read this one as well for future cycles

Anthony Roberts PCT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758


Now for some other important stuff, you need to have some arimidex on hand in case you start getting water retention or gyno, so get some, in fact, read this thread 3x before you start your cycle as it will tell you....

All You Need To Know About Gyno

All you need to know about GYNO.

that should get you read for your cycle, best of luck

[newbie-screwbie]

anyway, here is a little thing that i wrote that will help you with researching for a first cycle, even if you decided to do prop, the info in it will work for that as well

TEST BEGINNER CYCLE INFO

here, i'll lay out some stuff for you,
first thing, you need to get your diet in check, here is some threads on cutting, lean bulking and pure bulking to give you some info, but you need to post your diet for critiqueing, your wasting your money otherwise

Diet

UNoffical "How to Bulk" thread and sample diet...
UNoffical "How to Cut" thread and sample diet...
Appetite For Construction
http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/calories/calories.html

only when you have your diet down should you think about cycling, a beginner cycle should look like this

1-12 test e 500mg/week
1-4 dbol 40mg/day ( this is used to kickstart the cycle and is optional)

take your test injections 3.5 days apart, like monday morning and thursday evening

split your dbol up throughout the day, this will keep your blood levels stable, which means less sides and more gains

if you take the dbol, supplement with liv52 to help you liver cope with breaking down the dbol

btw, here are the profiles on the AS you will be using so read them and get to know the stuff your putting in your body

Test Enth
Anabolic Review Steroid Profile: Testosterone Enanthate

Dianabol
Anabolic Review Steroid Profile: Dianabol (Methandrostenolone)

Next is your pct, which should begin two weeks after your last test injection and should be a phneedo's pct, whats that you ask? here it is

Pheendo's PCT
Pheedno's PCT

while your at it read this one as well for future cycles

Anthony Roberts PCT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758


Now for some other important stuff, you need to have some arimidex on hand in case you start getting water retention or gyno, so get some, in fact, read this thread 3x before you start your cycle as it will tell you....

All You Need To Know About Gyno

All you need to know about GYNO.

that should get you read for your cycle, best of luck

helpful info, thanks. I only have a hook up for test prop and test cyp though.. I will continue to do research. Thanks.