First cycle: winstrol, deca, and dbol

[natelew]

I'm new to this. Do my dosages and times im taking it look good to everyone???

I took my first cc of dbol today (monday) (I want to see how my body reacts to it)

and then im going to start my injections this coming monday

My cycle is:

-20mg dbol (1cc) every day run for 4 weeks (taken orally with a syringe)

-400 mg deca (2cc's a week split up inject on tues. thurs.) run for 5 weeks

150 mg winstrol (3 cc's a week split up in 2 doses wed. and fri.) run for 6 weeks

[G4R]

NO!

What are yours stats
Age
Height
Weight
BF%
PCT knowledge
Training Exp

[natelew]

NO!

What are yours stats
Age
Height
Weight
BF%
PCT knowledge
Training Exp

21
5' 10"
210 lbs.
21% bf

I've used (something citrate for PCT after using a pro hormone about a yr. ago) I was told I wouldnt need PCT for this cycle especially b/c there's no test involved. Any suggestions would be helpful. Im trying to harden up and gain some mass.

Here is what I got:

winstrol 50mg/ml 20ml total
dbol (oral liquid have to take with oral syringe) 20mg/ml 30ml total
deca 200mg/ml 10ml

[one8nine]

okay bro. you came to the right place. please stop your cycle now. that is not a good cycle at all, but we will help you learn what a good cycle is.

your deca and dbol set up is okay, but not for a first time user.
winny needs to be taken once or twice a day, every day so thats bad.
you have no testosterone in your cycle, thats bad.

if you have only taken dbol or winny so far, great, you can just stop now without bad side effects.
if you have started the deca yet, you are in a bad position and your natural testosterone production is going to be shut down.

by no means am i telling you not to cycle, im saying this is a bad one and needs to be stopped and you can take in some reading.

phate's starter pack
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355504

kale's starter pack
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=331179

everything i know
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=352741

[Dr_Funk]

1. you got waaaaaay overcharged.
2. You'll need PCT
3. I guess the cycle's not too bad since deca /winstrol seems to be what Palumbo recommends for a first run. I would have just gone with 4-500mg test/week.

[Kratos]

oh crap, who told you to run that?
first off, your kinda tubby so I hope your diet and training are in check.
winny with dbol ...too much stress on your liver
dbol should be taken 3x a day in even doses
deca should be run for 12 weeks min (so I would go buy some more)
get some test
winny needs to be taken two times a day in smaller even doses or at least every day
you're a mess
go buy some test e
keep the deca at 400 per week but get more

so do like 400-500mg a week test e for 14 weeks
12 weeks of deca at 400 mg
you could keep doing the dbol for the first 4 weeks but I would split up the dose more than once a day
you need anti-e's on hand if you are gonna run test
you need PCT
put the winny in a drawer for you next cycle...at least that's how I would save the cycle, not that you are in super good shape to be doing a cycle.

[G4R]

21
5' 10"
210 lbs.
21% bf

I've used (something citrate for PCT after using a pro hormone about a yr. ago) I was told I wouldnt need PCT for this cycle especially b/c there's no test involved. Any suggestions would be helpful. Im trying to harden up and gain some mass. My workout partner is the one who sold it to me for $*** and has been doing cycles for 12 yrs. I told him I was concerned about PCT and he said don't worry about it.
Here is what I got for $*** from a UL:

winstrol 50mg/ml 20ml total
dbol (oral liquid have to take with oral syringe) 20mg/ml 30ml total
deca 200mg/ml 10ml

Ok, first off, edit the price out, it goes against board rules.
Second, your body fat % needs to be at least 12%, much higher than that and you are looking at some possible harsh side affects.
Third, ^^^^BOLD^^^^ That is B.S., and whoever this guy is telling you you don't need PCT is an idiot.
Fourth, Diet is the key, and don't let anyone else tell you other wise
Fifth.... the whole cycle... dear god.... just stop now if you have only taken the Dbol so far....

[one8nine]

21
5' 10"
210 lbs.
21% bf

I've used (something citrate for PCT after using a pro hormone about a yr. ago) I was told I wouldnt need PCT for this cycle especially b/c there's no test involved. Any suggestions would be helpful. Im trying to harden up and gain some mass. My workout partner is the one who sold it to me for xxx and has been doing cycles for 12 yrs. I told him I was concerned about PCT and he said don't worry about it.
Here is what I got for xxxx from a UL:

winstrol 50mg/ml 20ml total
dbol (oral liquid have to take with oral syringe) 20mg/ml 30ml total
deca 200mg/ml 10ml

delete the price you cant post that
you paid 2x-3x what you should have
you used clomid or nolva
deca does more harm to you than test does, one shot of deca makes you need a pct
and good cycle needs a pct anyway (even this bad one)
your bodyfat is dangerous to cycle at you need diet help, clen can help too.

diet
http://forums.steroid.com/diet-nutrition/
http://www.steroid.com/diet.php

clen faq
Clen Faq. You better like it it took me ages.

[one8nine]

oh crap, who told you to run that?
first off, your kinda tubby so I hope your diet and training are in check.
winny with dbol ...too much stress on your liver
dbol should be taken 3x a day in even doses
deca should be run for 12 weeks min (so I would go buy some more)
get some test
winny needs to be taken two times a day in smaller even doses or at least every day
you're a mess
go buy some test e
keep the deca at 400 per week but get more

so do like 400-500mg a week test e for 14 weeks
12 weeks of deca at 400 mg
you could keep doing the dbol for the first 4 weeks but I would split up the dose more than once a day
you need anti-e's on hand if you are gonna run test
you need PCT
put the winny in a drawer for you next cycle...at least that's how I would save the cycle, not that you are in super good shape to be doing a cycle.

did you just tell this kid to run dbol/deca/test as a first cycle?

[one8nine]

Ok, first off, edit the price out, it goes against board rules.
Second, your body fat % needs to be at least 12%, much higher than that and you are looking at some possible harsh side affects.
Third, ^^^^BOLD^^^^ That is B.S., and whoever this guy is telling you you don't need PCT is an idiot.
Fourth, Diet is the key, and don't let anyone else tell you other wise
Fifth.... the whole cycle... dear god.... just stop now if you have only taken the Dbol so far....

even if he edits the price out... people can still see it in your quote

[G4R]

even if he edits the price out... people can still see it in your quote

Didn't see the second mention of the price

[Kratos]

did you just tell this kid to run dbol/deca/test as a first cycle?

yeah, but I'm kinda a cowboy...lol
Probably best to start with something milder, but it sounds like the dude already started the deca . IDK, I think at the doses I posted there wouldn't be any problems as long as he added in some kind of anti-e. I think it is better you are teaching him to fish though. Maybe he should just abort cycle, it's a shame though cause deca f-'s up your htpa for awhile already.

[one8nine]

Didn't see the second mention of the price

[one8nine]

yeah, but I'm kinda a cowboy...lol
Probably best to start with something milder, but it sounds like the dude already started the deca. IDK, I think at the doses I posted there wouldn't be any problems as long as he added in some kind of anti-e. I think it is better you are teaching him to fish though. Maybe he should just abort cycle, it's a shame though cause deca f-'s up your htpa for awhile already.

im teaching him to fish? you mean ask for sources?
i think even if he drops deca he can trade it for test e

[natelew]

yeah, but I'm kinda a cowboy...lol
Probably best to start with something milder, but it sounds like the dude already started the deca. IDK, I think at the doses I posted there wouldn't be any problems as long as he added in some kind of anti-e. I think it is better you are teaching him to fish though. Maybe he should just abort cycle, it's a shame though cause deca f-'s up your htpa for awhile already.

No!!! I didnt touch the deca (injectable) yet I start the injectables on mon. I just wanted to see how my body would react to the dbol first. And I really dont want to run test with this I dont want to get bloated or have any chance of getting bitch tits etc. I know some people that said the only thing they have ever got shut down on to use PCT is for anadrol

[Kratos]

im teaching him to fish? you mean ask for sources?
i think even if he drops deca he can trade it for test e

I mean by providing reading material so he can learn to put together a cycle.
You know, teach a man to fish you feed him for a lifetime...

[Kratos]

No!!! I didnt touch the deca(injectable) yet I start the injectables on mon. I just wanted to see how my body would react to the dbol first. And I really dont want to run test with this I dont want to get bloated or have any chance of getting bitch tits etc. I know some people that said the only thing they have ever got shut down on to use PCT is for anadrol

Alright, well the people who have been telling you what to do so far don't know what they are talking about. You need to get some test if you want a propper cycle. Then you use other drugs to prevent the bitch tits. All cycles need pct, they all shut you down.

[daem]

I mean by providing reading material so he can learn to put together a cycle.
You know, teach a man to fish you feed him for a lifetime...

If only it worked out like that in actuality around here.

[one8nine]

No!!! I didnt touch the deca(injectable) yet I start the injectables on mon. I just wanted to see how my body would react to the dbol first. And I really dont want to run test with this I dont want to get bloated or have any chance of getting bitch tits etc. I know some people that said the only thing they have ever got shut down on to use PCT is for anadrol

your friends are idiots
and dbol alone, or deca alone will cause more bloating than test. much less both together.
please read those starter packs. these two links too..

how to not get bitch tits or bloat
estrogen/progesterone and gyno/side effects INFO FOR NEW GUYS

my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/pct-post-cycle-therapy/354573-one8nines-opinion-pct-links-side-effect-control-too.html#post4111013

[one8nine]

If only it worked out like that in actuality around here.

haahah if just ONE GUY reads my links...
hey thats how it worked for me! i try to teach the way i would have liked to have been taught