Another dude looking for answers

[SampsonandDelilah]

Whats up forum?

Great website and great insight (wow that rhymed)

anyways...

stats....33...6'3"...215...around 12 to 14% BF

training on and off for 10 years...2 year hiatus due to torn labrum (repaired)

previous cycles have included a 10 week deca only cycle when I was 22 (did great..(10 lbs)no PCT...didn't even know what that was back then)

Primoteston Depot cycle at 26...10 weeks as well...did a pyramid cycle...250 up to 500 and back down (dude I worked out with told me that was the way to do it). Once again..no research and no PCT...put on about 15 lbs...was the dawn of the internet...and research was harder to come by.

I've been back in the gym steady for a year (shoulder surgery was 2.5 years ago) took 1.5 years off lifting...shoulder injury rocked me and dropped to 185 from around 210 (fast metabolism and tends to lose gains quickly...I've got the lean gene). Now looking to bulk back up around 15 lbs.

I have 4 bottles of Test Cyp (pharm human grade) dosed at 200 mg per ML and was planning on running 400 mgs weekly for 10 weeks (I've read varying reports on how often to inject...some say once a week...others say every 3 days) I'm planning on weekly...for consistency (travel for work..yada yada)

I also have a couple hundred 10 mg Nolva tabs for PCT

I've also read varying reports on PCT for this cycle as well. (some say add clomid...some say Nolva only...some both...and some say throw in Armidex with both clomid and Nolva) I'm not prone to gyno (knock on wood) and want to know if Nolva only will be OK. (frankly...clomid kind of scares me!)

My plan is this week 1-10....400 mg's Test C weekly

18 days later...start PCT...20 mgs Nolva for 4 weeks.

I've read info that says this is good starter cycle (I do have previous cycle experience...but it's been a while...so I;m calling myself a newb again) Since I didnt use any PCT in the past and kept most of my gains...and experienced very little SE's...what is the boards opinions on my proposed cycle?

Thanks in advance!!

I have a stocked fridge...motivation is high...body feels great

and I've got all the gear I mention in my proposal to get started...plus pins


Again...many thanks for reading my novel.

[JiGGaMaN]

Lets make a deal: how about every 6 days? Good luck and eat big.

[Jfew44]

I'd go 2x a week with cyp. 1ml every injection. Good luck and hope you keep all your gains with pct this time lol.

[SampsonandDelilah]

Lets make a deal: how about every 6 days? Good luck and eat big.

That's a deal!

What about the PCT mentioned..any thoughts there??

[JiGGaMaN]

The more the better when it comes to pct. I dont have any science to back that up, but seems reasonable.

[DS21]

I would add aromasin to your pct w/ nolva.

[im83931]

If you look at the half life of cyp you will have more stable blood levels if you shoot twice a week. Sunday night / Thurs morn, or something like that for the schedule.
More is not necessarily better for pct. You could add clomid to your pct but if your running 400mg cyp/week then you should be fine. Arimidex is not for pct. It is in case of gyno. An AI can also help with water retention too. Like you, I am over 30, your body will probably respond differently to the extra test now. I would say you definitely want an AI on hand in case of gyno.

[SampsonandDelilah]

If you look at the half life of cyp you will have more stable blood levels if you shoot twice a week. Sunday night / Thurs morn, or something like that for the schedule.
More is not necessarily better for pct. You could add clomid to your pct but if your running 400mg cyp/week then you should be fine. Arimidex is not for pct. It is in case of gyno. An AI can also help with water retention too. Like you, I am over 30, your body will probably respond differently to the extra test now. I would say you definitely want an AI on hand in case of gyno.

I thought the Nolva was for Gyno too...and for holding off the excess estrogen (i.e. gyno) I read that once signs of gyno start, to take 10 mg of Nolva until symptoms subside. Is the AI an additive to a two prong attack on gyno? I swear I'm doing my reading fellas (have been for a while) but the whole PCT (AI, SERM) has me utterly confused. It is more of a case of opinion?

I'm following http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=255196 (reiterates an AI)

EDIT...went back and re-read some old and new posts (seems like the same questions are asked 1000 times over....don't want to be that guy!)

looks like one AI and one SERM should be run....but on 400 mg's of CYP...looks like some agree that just Nolva will do.

Since I'm not running a heavy stack...is the AI needed? If I were to add the AI....would I run aromasin or armidex along w/ my Nolva?

so PCT...I'm thinking was nolva .40 weeks 1-2...then .20 for weeks 3-4

or should I go

1-4 nolva 20mgs ed
1-4 armidex .5mgs ed?

Sorry for all the damn question asking...but want to get it right...double edge sword, ya know? (to many questions vs. not enough)




THANKS

[im83931]

I thought the Nolva was for Gyno too...and for holding off the excess estrogen (i.e. gyno) I read that once signs of gyno start, to take 10 mg of Nolva until symptoms subside. Is the AI an additive to a two prong attack on gyno? I swear I'm doing my reading fellas (have been for a while) but the whole PCT (AI, SERM) has me utterly confused. It is more of a case of opinion?

I'm following http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=255196 (reiterates an AI)

EDIT...went back and re-read some old and new posts (seems like the same questions are asked 1000 times over....don't want to be that guy!)

looks like one AI and one SERM should be run....but on 400 mg's of CYP...looks like some agree that just Nolva will do. I agree with this. Nolva should be enough. I did the very same cycle except it was 500mg per week. I only used Nolva for pct.

Since I'm not running a heavy stack...is the AI needed? If I were to add the AI....would I run aromasin or armidex along w/ my Nolva? I would not use nolva for gyno. I dont think a serm is the way to go, if you get itchy or sore nips you will want something to stop the gyno dead in its tracks.

so PCT...I'm thinking was nolva .40 weeks 1-2...then .20 for weeks 3-4 This pct is fine. I might do the nolva for a little longer though, maybe 20 mg for 3-4 and then 10 mg for 5-6. I run it until I start to feel myself again.
or should I go

1-4 nolva 20mgs ed
1-4 armidex .5mgs ed? I would not use the arimidex at all for pct

Sorry for all the damn question asking...but want to get it right...double edge sword, ya know? (to many questions vs. not enough)
Bro, dont worry. Your asking before you run the cycle. You wouldnt believe how many 20-25 yr olds come in here with questions and dont have any pct or gyno compounds on hand.





THANKS

You are on the right track. Keep it up and good luck!!

[SampsonandDelilah]

So....Armidex if I feel signs of gyno coming on (not for PCT)...and nolva only for PCT (and not for Gyno)??

[one8nine]

I have 4 bottles of Test Cyp (pharm human grade) dosed at 200 mg per ML and was planning on running 400 mgs weekly for 10 weeks (I've read varying reports on how often to inject...some say once a week...others say every 3 days) I'm planning on weekly...for consistency (travel for work..yada yada)

youll get much better results and less sides 2x a week


injection frequency
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355493

ester weight and active lives
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4131783

I also have a couple hundred 10 mg Nolva tabs for PCT

I've also read varying reports on PCT for this cycle as well. (some say add clomid...some say Nolva only...some both...and some say throw in Armidex with both clomid and Nolva) I'm not prone to gyno (knock on wood) and want to know if Nolva only will be OK. (frankly...clomid kind of scares me!)

nolva only is a weak pct
arimidex isnt the best pct choice. its not bad, but proviron or aromasin would be better.
clomid scares you because youve read the sides from people abusing it. 25mg of clomid will do the job with minimal sides

my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4111013

My plan is this week 1-10....400 mg's Test C weekly

18 days later...start PCT...20 mgs Nolva for 4 weeks.

looks good but split injections, and add a good AI to pct

I've read info that says this is good starter cycle (I do have previous cycle experience...but it's been a while...so I;m calling myself a newb again) Since I didnt use any PCT in the past and kept most of my gains...and experienced very little SE's...what is the boards opinions on my proposed cycle?

Thanks in advance!!

I have a stocked fridge...motivation is high...body feels great

and I've got all the gear I mention in my proposal to get started...plus pins


Again...many thanks for reading my novel.

youre on a good track bro

[one8nine]

If you look at the half life of cyp you will have more stable blood levels if you shoot twice a week. Sunday night / Thurs morn, or something like that for the schedule.
More is not necessarily better for pct. You could add clomid to your pct but if your running 400mg cyp/week then you should be fine. Arimidex is not for pct. It is in case of gyno. An AI can also help with water retention too. Like you, I am over 30, your body will probably respond differently to the extra test now. I would say you definitely want an AI on hand in case of gyno.

great point
either run arimidex to prevent gyno
or run nothing, and if you get gyno use letro.
i prefer prevention
but if you get gyno, arimidex wont do much to reverse it.

[one8nine]

I thought the Nolva was for Gyno too...and for holding off the excess estrogen (i.e. gyno) I read that once signs of gyno start, to take 10 mg of Nolva until symptoms subside. Is the AI an additive to a two prong attack on gyno? I swear I'm doing my reading fellas (have been for a while) but the whole PCT (AI, SERM) has me utterly confused. It is more of a case of opinion?

AIs stop test from converting to estrogen.
SERMS block existing estro- never use on cycle
cabergoline reduces progest/prolactin
AIs-
-arimidex is best on cycle to prevent estro. arimidex is avoided in pct because nolvadex reduces the effectiveness of arimidex.
-letro is very strong, it prevents estro conversion, also reduces progesterone/prolactin. also can reverse gyno. its best on cycle cause when you stop there can be a hard estrogen rebound
-aromasin is a good ai, usually used in pct cause its okay with nolva
-proviron is a DHT , but also used as an AI- my fav
SERM
-nolva blocks existing estrogen from attaching to brest tissue, and helps some restroring test
-clomid is best for restoring natural test at 25mg ed, and helps some to block estrogen

see if these dont clear some stuff up:

my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4111013

estrogen/progesterone side effect control on cycle
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=354229

I'm following http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=255196 (reiterates an AI)

EDIT...went back and re-read some old and new posts (seems like the same questions are asked 1000 times over....don't want to be that guy!)

looks like one AI and one SERM should be run....but on 400 mg's of CYP...looks like some agree that just Nolva will do.

Since I'm not running a heavy stack...is the AI needed? If I were to add the AI....would I run aromasin or armidex along w/ my Nolva?

so PCT...I'm thinking was nolva .40 weeks 1-2...then .20 for weeks 3-4

or should I go

1-4 nolva 20mgs ed
1-4 armidex .5mgs ed?


Sorry for all the damn question asking...but want to get it right...double edge sword, ya know? (to many questions vs. not enough)




THANKS

.25mg arimidex on cycle

pct-
nolva 20mg ed
aromasin 50mg or proviron 50mg ed
(optional) clomid 25mg

[one8nine]

So....Armidex if I feel signs of gyno coming on (not for PCT)...and nolva only for PCT (and not for Gyno)??

arimidex prevents gyno
if you wait for signs you need letro at that point

only use nolva in pct, not cycle
but a pct of nolva only is too weak

[CheddaNips]

And why isnt one8nine a mod. Dare i say he is like the new Merc.?

[one8nine]

And why isnt one8nine a mod. Dare i say he is like the new Merc.?

merc? didnt he get banned for trying to be like ar? i dunno who he is

[SampsonandDelilah]

Alright..I guess I'm horrible at math, but I cant seem to figure out this whole 2X weekly regimine for Cyp. (the consensus is definitley 2X weekly for Cyp correct?)

So if I'm going for 500 mgs a week..and my Cyp is dosed at 200 mg's per ML

So if I shoot 1.25 ml's sat morning...I'll want to shoot 1.25 ml's weds evening and 1.25 mls the following sat evening...and then 1.25 ml's weds morning...so forth and so on??

I think I'm obsessing a bit...but the twice weekly is new to me and don't want to goof it up

Thanks!

[one8nine]

Alright..I guess I'm horrible at math, but I cant seem to figure out this whole 2X weekly regimine for Cyp. (the consensus is definitley 2X weekly for Cyp correct?)

So if I'm going for 500 mgs a week..and my Cyp is dosed at 200 mg's per ML

So if I shoot 1.25 ml's sat morning...I'll want to shoot 1.25 ml's weds evening and 1.25 mls the following sat evening...and then 1.25 ml's weds morning...so forth and so on??

I think I'm obsessing a bit...but the twice weekly is new to me and don't want to goof it up

Thanks!

correct sir.
but doing 1ml at a time 400mg a week is fine too bro. 500mg isnt a requirement.

[SampsonandDelilah]

Thanks bro...I really appreciate it. I'll stick with the on mL twice a week...once I sat down with a calender and marked out my days and adjusted the evening/mornings..it made way more sense.

Thanks again