cycle time.

[audis4]

First off, I don't want any noob comments.
I want professional advice.

I'm 22yo, 6'2", 255lbs @ 13% BF

I lift 4-5 x/wk and I lift quite heavy.
I diet well, food all coming from clean calories.
This is my 4th cycle. I give the proper time on/off and proper PCT.

My plan is to cut to 10% and begin this cycle in October or November.
I'll be doing a lean bulk, adding minimal fat from very clean protein/carb/fat sources.
My goals are to add as much LBM as possible. My median term goals are to hit 300lbs at a lower BF.

Some lifts:
bench: 405 for 4 reps
deads: 585 for 1 rep
squat: I'd say my max is somewhere in the 5's
Haven't maxed for a while but I lift heavy and hard until failure each session.

Here it is.

weeks 1-4 75mg anadrol ED
weeks 1-18 750mg deca EW
weeks 1-20 1200mg testE EW
weeks 13-20 75mg tren ED
weeks 1-20 75mg proviron ED, oral
weeks 20 22 125mg test prop EOD

2 days after weeks 22, start pct.
PCT = days 1-30 nolvadex 25mg ED
day 1 clomid 200mg
days 2-11 clomid 100mg ED
days 12-21 clomid 50mg ED
week 15-pct add in HCG. 1500mg/ew split 3 times/wk at 500mg mon/wed/fri
arimidex throughout cycle @.25-.5mg/ed

I realize this is a heavy cycle with more compounds than I have ever used but I'm taking the proper precautions.
I'll be on and off throughout the week. Let me know what the experts thoughts are!

Thanks,
audis4

[jstraw428]

thats a long ass cycle.......although you are not taking the 19-nors at the same time, at those dosages, cycle length,......i would suggest having some caber or bromo just in case.......

Why such a long cycle......

[mkrulic]

It wouldnt take this long to drop to 10%. I would do this in a 6-8 week run, then come back in the winter and do a bulker.

[mkrulic]

btw, if you want a professional opinion you should really speak w/ someone medically trained. dont take this as a flame, it would be a good idea. the members of this board can tell you what kinda doctor and what to ask.

[audis4]

thats a long ass cycle.......although you are not taking the 19-nors at the same time, at those dosages, cycle length,......i would suggest having some caber or bromo just in case.......

Why such a long cycle......

Ok, I'll take your advice on that.

I've never used more than 3 compounds during a cycle and the 3 cycles I have done were short.
This will most likely be the only cycle I will do at this length. My goals are to get as huge as possible, like everyone elses'

[audis4]

btw, if you want a professional opinion you should really speak w/ someone medically trained. dont take this as a flame, it would be a good idea. the members of this board can tell you what kinda doctor and what to ask.

already have thanks for your opinions

[inky-e]

First off, I don't want any noob comments.
I want professional advice.

I'm 22yo, 6'2", 255lbs @ 13% BF

I lift 4-5 x/wk and I lift quite heavy.
I diet well, food all coming from clean calories.
This is my 4th cycle. I give the proper time on/off and proper PCT.

My plan is to cut to 10% and begin this cycle in October or November.
I'll be doing a lean bulk, adding minimal fat from very clean protein/carb/fat sources.
My goals are to add as much LBM as possible. My median term goals are to hit 300lbs at a lower BF.

Some lifts:
bench: 405 for 4 reps
deads: 585 for 1 rep
squat: I'd say my max is somewhere in the 5's
Haven't maxed for a while but I lift heavy and hard until failure each session.

Here it is.

weeks 1-4 75mg anadrol ED
weeks 1-18 750mg deca EW
weeks 1-20 1200mg testE EW
weeks 13-20 75mg tren ED
weeks 1-20 75mg proviron ED, oral
weeks 20 22 125mg test prop EOD

2 days after weeks 22, start pct.
PCT = days 1-30 nolvadex 25mg ED
day 1 clomid 200mg
days 2-11 clomid 100mg ED
days 12-21 clomid 50mg ED
week 15-pct add in HCG. 1500mg/ew split 3 times/wk at 500mg mon/wed/fri
arimidex throughout cycle @.25-.5mg/ed

I realize this is a heavy cycle with more compounds than I have ever used but I'm taking the proper precautions.
I'll be on and off throughout the week. Let me know what the experts thoughts are!

Thanks,
audis4

I see you found what you were looking for!! lol Thats a monster Bro! I envy you. I hope you can handle the deca that high for that long. I ran 500mg's for 14 weeks and got a bone growth in my shoulder. It went away after I stopped, anyway...........I love it! Take pics before and after.

[mkrulic]

Ok, I'll take your advice on that.

I've never used more than 3 compounds during a cycle and the 3 cycles I have done were short.
This will most likely be the only cycle I will do at this length. My goals are to get as huge as possible, like everyone elses'

then make it a bulker. "dont change hourses mid stream." rr
its the drop to 10% that I have a prob w/. Id choose lean bulk or fat loss

[audis4]

then make it a bulker. "dont change hourses mid stream." rr
its the drop to 10% that I have a prob w/. Id choose lean bulk or fat loss

what are you talking about?

I'm leaning down to 10% leading up to my lean bulk, then by oct-nov I'll start the cycle

[audis4]

I see you found what you were looking for!! lol Thats a monster Bro! I envy you. I hope you can handle the deca that high for that long. I ran 500mg's for 14 weeks and got a bone growth in my shoulder. It went away after I stopped, anyway...........I love it! Take pics before and after.

you got it man!
I'll take pics right before and after my cycle.

I have all the compounds except PCT which I'll purchase when I have more $$.

This is a spendy cycle

[mkrulic]

what are you talking about?

I'm leaning down to 10% leading up to my lean bulk, then by oct-nov I'll start the cycle

Im saying I wouldnt change horses mid stream. why loose weight to bulk?

[jstraw428]

i think he just got a bit confused with hat you were saying.......i was right there with ya

[audis4]

Im saying I wouldnt change horses mid stream. why loose weight to bulk?

When I cut, I keep at least 80-85% of my gains. I stick to maintenance and lower slowly to avoid any muscle loss.

I know my body pretty well, I know the macro breakdown I need to lean up, and to lean bulk without putting on much fat. I'm only going to be cutting for 2 months at most and I know I'll be dropping mostly water/fat.

[audis4]

i think he just got a bit confused with hat you were saying.......i was right there with ya

thanks bro!
no worries, sometimes I get ahead of myself

[one8nine]

Some lifts:
bench: 405 for 4 reps
deads: 585 for 1 rep
squat: I'd say my max is somewhere in the 5's
Haven't maxed for a while but I lift heavy and hard until failure each session.

you are almost 300lbs? and those are your lifts?
please do not take this offensively but those look like my lifts @215lbs 6'3" (you are a little higher).. just a little more. I'm really really not trying to be rude or brag or anything like that I'm just saying for your weight you could have a training problem. those numbers are really good dude, don't take it wrong but i just think at your weight you can do better with a training adjustment.

Here it is.

weeks 1-4 75mg anadrol ED
weeks 1-18 750mg deca EW
weeks 1-20 1200mg testE EW
weeks 13-20 75mg tren ED
weeks 1-20 75mg proviron ED, oral
weeks 20 22 125mg test prop EOD

i would run letro atleast .25mg ed youre running huge dosages of both aromatizing drugs, and pgr stimulators.
why not shoot prop ed?
HCG IS A MUST! probably weeks 7-8, 16-17, 21,22
20 weeks of proviron is dangerous. although it is not 17aa it is still methylized and goes 2 passes through the liver

youre experienced you might even know all of this but here you go

hcg crash course
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4127466

my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4111013

estrogen/progesterone side effect control on cycle
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=354229

2 days after weeks 22, start pct.
PCT = days 1-30 nolvadex 25mg ED
day 1 clomid 200mg
days 2-11 clomid 100mg ED
days 12-21 clomid 50mg ED
week 15-pct add in HCG. 1500mg/ew split 3 times/wk at 500mg mon/wed/fri
arimidex throughout cycle @.25-.5mg/ed

arimidex wont cut it you need letro
those clomid dosages are wwwaaayyy high make it 25mg ed
nolvas good
thats way too long for hcg you can desensitize yourself
add aromasin or proviron to pct i see you have no AI

I realize this is a heavy cycle with more compounds than I have ever used but I'm taking the proper precautions.
I'll be on and off throughout the week. Let me know what the experts thoughts are!

Thanks,
audis4

you might wanna ask yourself if you really need all those drugs at those dosages

[DesiBoy]

Good luck bro, can't wait to see what the results are going to be. Post some pics.

[audis4]

you are almost 300lbs? and those are your lifts?
please do not take this offincively but those look like my lifts @215lbs 6'3" (you are a little higher).. just a little more. im really really not trying to be rude or brag or anything like that im just saying for your weight you could have a training problem. those numbers are really good dude, dont take it wrong but i just think at your weight you can do better with a training adjustment.
I'm close to 250 and your right, I need to work on my lifts
i would run letro atleast .25mg ed youre running huge dosages of both aromatizing drugs, and pgr stimulators.
why not shoot prop ed?
i thought prop was usually shot EOD, no?
HCG IS A MUST! probably weeks 7-8, 16-17, 21,22
ya i have letro on hand already. Ok, I'll take your advice on HCG. I've never used it before.
youre experienced you might even know all of this but here you go

hcg crash course
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4127466

my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4111013

estrogen/progesterone side effect control on cycle
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=354229

arimidex wont cut it you need letro
those clomid dosages are wwwaaayyy high make it 25mg ed ok, I'll look more into that.
nolvas good
thats way too long for hcg you can desensitize yourself ok, like I've said, I've never used it before, I'll read more on HCG.
add aromasin or proviron to pct i see you have no AI
ya, I'm running proviron through PCT ed.

you might wanna ask yourself if you really need all those drugs at those dosages

^^ok, what dosages would you run? I know its a heavy cycle but I thought those dosages seemed pretty reasonable. let me know what you think?

[audis4]

Good luck bro, can't wait to see what the results are going to be. Post some pics.

Thanks a lot man!
you got it, I'll have before and after pics.

[one8nine]

oh wow close to 250 isnt bad at all then i just assumed you were closing in on 300 since your goal is "300 but more cut"

prop is usually ed. eod is bare minimum. thats like shooting test e once a week, ya know?

if you read my link "hcg crash course" youll see my opinion on it plus faqs and refrences at the bottom

if you read "my pct" thread youll see a discussion between swifto and me on why 25mg clomid is solid.

proviron is good in pct but if you run it on cycle too were talkin like 5+ months of an (although mild) oral steroid + a month of drol + high test + high deca + tren. i just think the prov. on cycle would be the icing on the cake for your health bro.

as for dosages its your cycle bro. its your goal, your dream ha ha. i dont wanna mess with it that much. ive actually never run something that heavy so i cant comment too much. im just saying its really heavy is all ha ha.

[audis4]

you think 25mg/ed for clomid will be aggressive enough?

[one8nine]

you think 25mg/ed for clomid will be aggressive enough?

alone, no.
on top of hcg, proviron, and nolva. yes.

[audis4]

oh wow close to 250 isnt bad at all then i just assumed you were closing in on 300 since your goal is "300 but more cut"

prop is usually ed. eod is bare minimum. thats like shooting test e once a week, ya know?

if you read my link "hcg crash course" youll see my opinion on it plus faqs and refrences at the bottom

if you read "my pct" thread youll see a discussion between swifto and me on why 25mg clomid is solid.

proviron is good in pct but if you run it on cycle too were talkin like 5+ months of an (although mild) oral steroid + a month of drol + high test + high deca + tren. i just think the prov. on cycle would be the icing on the cake for your health bro.

as for dosages its your cycle bro. its your goal, your dream ha ha. i dont wanna mess with it that much. ive actually never run something that heavy so i cant comment too much. im just saying its really heavy is all ha ha.

ya, I weigh 249 or 250 something like that. My goal is 300lbs at a decent BF

Ok, would you shoot prop at 75mgs ed or cut that in half?

I'll be reading about HCG and clomid and I'll comment back.

I was going to run proviron ed throughout the entire cycle because of the high test dosage. Although I don't want to get rid of all the estrogen, I figured I would be able to utilize more testosterone.

If it were you, what dosages would you put these compounds at? It is hella heavy but I wanna be a damn monster

let me know, thanks 1-8-9

[audis4]

alone, no.
on top of hcg, proviron, and nolva. yes.

sounds good, I'm about to take off for a bit but I'll be back later and respond to any comments.
I'm going to be reading those links you posted.
Thanks again everyone.

[one8nine]

i would say 50mg-100mg ed its your call.
probably 50mg ed since youll have so much test built up already.
thats too much of even a mild hormone imo. letro will be enough for that, esp at 1.2g test a week.

to be 100% honest we dont have the same goals, i wouldnt use drol or deca again.
my cycles from now on will be ed injects of prop/tren/masteron. maybe changing masteron out for primo. as an mma fighter/wrestler i try to get as strong as i can with minimal weight gain.

[audis4]

i would say 50mg-100mg ed its your call.
probably 50mg ed since youll have so much test built up already.
thats too much of even a mild hormone imo. letro will be enough for that, esp at 1.2g test a week.

to be 100% honest we dont have the same goals, i wouldnt use drol or deca again.
my cycles from now on will be ed injects of prop/tren/masteron. maybe changing masteron out for primo. as an mma fighter/wrestler i try to get as strong as i can with minimal weight gain.

Ok, ill take your advice on shooting the prop ed.

Ya, my goals are to get as huge and strong as possible. How come you don't like drol or deca btw?

[one8nine]

Ok, ill take your advice on shooting the prop ed.

Ya, my goals are to get as huge and strong as possible. How come you don't like drol or deca btw?

i dun wanna gain weight