Cycle Advice Test,Tren,Mast

[Linuxian]

I've been reading everything I can find on this stuff but there's no substitute for advice from those more experienced. I'm a 37 year old guy who has been working out for a long time....I'm no stranger to the gym. My BF% is a little higher than I would like but I'm working on that.

My goals are hard muscle with increases in strength and speed. I train 3 days/wk in the gym and 2 days/wk outside. I need to maintain/improve on my speed and agility so I can't afford to pack on a bunch of water weight.

My 1st Cycle was Test-C 500mg/wk which went VERY well. This is a little more advanced so I would like some help with the dosing schedule. I would appreciate any input on this stack as well. Will this help me do what I need to do or will I end up with a third eye?? :LOL:


Here's what I'm considering: 10-week cycle
Test-eth 500mg/wk Weeks 1-10
Tren-eth 300mg/wk Weeks 1-8
Masteron 100mg EOD Weeks 1-8
Clen 40-60mcg/ED 14-on/14-off

PCT
Nolva 20mg/day
Clomid 50mg/day

[Dukkit]

Here's what I'm considering: 10-week cycle
Test-eth 500mg/wk Weeks 1-10
Tren-eth 300mg/wk Weeks 1-8
Masteron 100mg EOD Weeks 1-8
Clen 40-60mcg/ED 14-on/14-off

PCT
Nolva 20mg/day
Clomid 50mg/day

first i would like to say that if this is only your second cycle, and you have only ran a test only cycle. then this cycle may be a little advanced for you.

3 compounds for a second cycle is really not needed. especially tren.

also.. you say your body fat is high? how high? mast gives the best results if you have a decently low body fat. to begin with.

since your running Enanthate esters, your length of cycle is not wise. i would bump up the tren to 12 weeks. and then test to 14 weeks. that gives you full legnth of time for the tren to kick in and work, and also time for the tren to get out of your system before stopping the test.

thats a low dose of tren also. 350-500mg works the best IMO for a beginner tren cycle.

also a low dose of mast. 400-500mg a week is a tad better. mast overall is a weak compound compared with your other items.

but! overall i would not recommend this cycle for a second cycle.

PCT looks weak. I would add some HCG at the end of cycle and first 2 weeks of PCT. Plus invest in some caber. Its a must for long or cycles that include 19-nors IMHO

[LATS60]

Unless your are a competetive bber i can't really see the point of running tren with mast.
They are of course totally different compounds but both will give hardness/defenition/vascularity, tren will however totally overwhelm the much weaker mast, they do get stacked, but generally to give that little extra cut here and there come showtime.
A good 2nd cycle would be test again you say you did well on it 1st time so why not do it again, ok add a bit of tren if you wish. Your PCT needs work also and don't use nolva on cycle for bloat or gyno issues if you do run with the tren test combo.

[Linuxian]

You're probably right, bf% is probably too high for mast and it's a bad choice. I don't know the exact figure but my bf% is somewhere around 18%

Good point about the cycle length.

Should I pull both the Tren and Mast out?

[Dukkit]

You're probably right, bf% is probably too high for mast and it's a bad choice. I don't know the exact figure but my bf% is somewhere around 18%

Good point about the cycle length.

Should I pull both the Tren and Mast out?

i would do a nice deca and test cycle. youll get a nice bulker. i even cut a little on deca. depends on diet of course. youll need an AI to control the bloat a bit.

yea at 18% BF thats way to hi for mast. and really you should be straight cutting. diet and cardio. not gear.

[Linuxian]

I'll have the bf number verified this week before moving forward. I spend 2 day/week doing nothing but cardio for nearly 6 hrs per day. I can outrun people half my age but I still cant get rid of this damn spare tire. I will say that since getting involved in the forums, I have become much more aware of some pitfalls in my diet and workout routine. Since then, I have seen good indications that the spare-tire is finally loosing its grip.

I haven't looked at deca but I will take a closer look. I'd like to add some mass to bring my daily caloric demands up but I'm concerned about water retention.

[Dukkit]

I'll have the bf number verified this week before moving forward. I spend 2 day/week doing nothing but cardio for nearly 6 hrs per day. I can outrun people half my age but I still cant get rid of this damn spare tire. I will say that since getting involved in the forums, I have become much more aware of some pitfalls in my diet and workout routine. Since then, I have seen good indications that the spare-tire is finally loosing its grip.

I haven't looked at deca but I will take a closer look. I'd like to add some mass to bring my daily caloric demands up but I'm concerned about water retention.

do that. and if you use a good AI during cycle. the bloat from Deca wont be that bad. not enough to hinder you in anyway

[Bullyson]

I'll have the bf number verified this week before moving forward. I spend 2 day/week doing nothing but cardio for nearly 6 hrs per day. I can outrun people half my age but I still cant get rid of this damn spare tire. I will say that since getting involved in the forums, I have become much more aware of some pitfalls in my diet and workout routine. Since then, I have seen good indications that the spare-tire is finally loosing its grip.

I haven't looked at deca but I will take a closer look. I'd like to add some mass to bring my daily caloric demands up but I'm concerned about water retention.

6 hours of cardio in a day? Jesus man, are you a marathon runner or what?

[one8nine]

My BF% is a little higher than I would like but I'm working on that.

get to 12% before you cycle

Here's what I'm considering: 10-week cycle
Test-eth 500mg/wk Weeks 1-10
Tren-eth 300mg/wk Weeks 1-8
Masteron 100mg EOD Weeks 1-8
Clen 40-60mcg/ED 14-on/14-off

masteron (propionate) is injected ed, not eod. see if you cant find masteron e (drostanolone enanthate.
if you decide to inject every day with masteron p, then you might as well get on tren ace and test prop too.

PCT
Nolva 20mg/day
Clomid 50mg/day

clomid is too high cut it to 25mg
you need a good ai, proviron or aromasin
8 weeks of tren i would advide hcg too

i see you dont have any letro or caber for that tren. that can be a problem.

hcg crash course
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4127466

my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4111013

estrogen/progesterone side effect control on cycle
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=354229

[Linuxian]

6 hours of cardio in a day? Jesus man, are you a marathon runner or what?

I guess that's a little misleading. I participate in a sport for about 6 to 8 hours per day on the weekends. It involves a lot of intense sprinting and lots of adrenaline ;-)

I can hardly drive home some days! LOL

My son just started playing HS football. I got a real kick out of him saying that practicing with me on the weekends is WAY harder!! He's ripping through the football drills like they were nothing. LMAO

Let me add that I really appreciate all the feedback. I will get my bf tested this weekend if possible and strive for that 12% mark before moving forward. I'll drop the Masteron from the cycle and work on the ai component as well. ED injections are not something I wanna do.