Newbies questions

[anabolictonic]

Hi all first of just wanna say what a great community steroid.com has built... lots of info and advice from vets and other members helping each other get the most out of aas. Yer im a newb and have been lookin at doin a cycle for about 3 months now and have been researchin hours on end every night the amount of information out there is endless (and some not entirely credibly) but i dont think any of it can compare to advice from people first hand who have actually experienced it - and if i get some feedback i just wanna say a big thanku in advance. Now i'll get to the point.

I'm 20 years
6ft
180lbs
13% bf
trained a fair bit on and off between 16 - 19 gave it a rest for a bit and now have been training again pretty solid for the last 6-8 months.

My reasons for wanting to do aas is im frustrated with my body my gains have really slowed down, i know i could probably still put on another 20 lbs naturally but it just looks like thats gonna take years! so i am lookin for the best cycle i can do to gain but more importantly keep wat i gain - id rather put on 15 lbs and keep 10 than put on 25 and keep 15. I know it all comes down to your PCT, determination to train post cycle and your diet during and after cycle. But i'm curious as to the aas side of the gains.

I have a few questions that i have unable to get a definitive answer yet through all my research. They are:

1. Are deca gains easier to keept than test e gains post cycle (if the same level of training and pct were done with each)?

2. Putting in winstrol in my cycle will harden the muscles even tho it wont add any mass but will those muscles being denser make them harder to lose?

3. Is it a rule of thumb that the quicker you gain muscle the quicker you will lose it?

4. Will the gains on an 8 week cycle of test e @ 500mg a week be harder to keep than 16 weeks @ 250mg ? or will it be harder to get natural test levels back to normal after such a long cycle?

5. Is the water retention caused from deca estrogen related? i read somewhere that adding proviron wont help with water retention from deca cause it isnt caused by the excess levels of estrogen. anyone?

6. Is there any substitue for HCG as i cant get my hands on HCG and realise that getting my natural test levels back to normal as quick as possible will minimize the loss of gains ( i know its impossible to keep them all!)

7. Will adding proviron to a test cycle only be beneficial? as in reducing water retention or will it also minimize gains as i think i read that estrogen has a positive effect on gains??

8. Does starting aas too early ( remember im only 20) make it harder to gain mass when you go back to trying to gain naturally?

Ive been trying to come up with a cycle between deca (cos i heard the gains are easier to keep than test ) test e proviron (help with water retention) and winny. Even tho the first two are prodominantely mass gainers i thort adding in winny may give a bit of a mix of a bulking and mass cycle??

Thanks alot in advance and i will listen to your advice and not just stay ignorant like other newbs who ask and then dont accept the answer they are given. I asked because i dont know and am open to learning from someone more educated and experienced so please chip in any advice / personal experience you have.

Hopefully my questions help other newbs with the same queries.

[misterleader5]

Hey mate great first post - can see you have really done alot of research so far so kudos to ya.

Now first of all i will state the obvious - You should keep goin naturally man your only 20 i would wait atleast another 5 years of lifting man then you'll have a better base and youl know your body better at 20 you already have a shiteload of natural test in ya! so use it while ya have it!!

As far as ya questions go heres my opinon

1 - yes a little - but slightly slower and less gains than test

2 - not too sure about this one

3 - not really a rule of thumb but its commonly stated that the quicker you gain em the quicker you can lose them if u slack off - your body will want to go back to the way it was (smaller!!) so u have to keep the cals up and force your body to adjust to your new size ! the slower this change happens the less your body will freak out when you finish your cycle

4 - i see your logic here but your pct would be harder after a a 16 week cycle than an 8 week cycle so even tho ur gains will be slower and wont shock your body (see question3 answer) as much it will take you longer to get your natrual test levels back to normal so youl prob lose the same amount. i wouldnt risk doin a 16 week first cycle - i prob wouldnt risk doin a 16 week cycle period as theres greater risk of permenant damage to your endogenous test production.

5 - not sure mate hopefully a vet answers this one

7 - Yer it will help with water retention but estrogen does help build muscle as well so u dont want to block it all!

8 - Absolutely

Yer id be doin a test e @500mg ew 10 weeks for a first cycle - not too many injections and you can see how your body realtes to test alone which should be the base for all your future aas cycles.

As for creating a mix of a bulking and cutting cycle not sure mate doesnt really sound like a good idea usually do one or the other - any one else shed light on this?


sorry cant answer them all bro hope it helped a bit

good luck!

[BUYLONGTERM]

All I can say is this. Once you join the darkside, there really is NO turning back. That is a promise. so, If you think your going to do a couple of cycles then return to lifting naturally your dead wrong. So, I say give it a few more years of lifting naturally before taking the plunge. 20 to me is to early. You have way to much natural test going through your body right now. If your gains have diminished, I strongly suggest you take a look at your diet. Horrible diet=no gains.

Be safe,

BLT

[one8nine]

1. Are deca gains easier to keept than test e gains post cycle (if the same level of training and pct were done with each)?

no deca is more suppresive

2. Putting in winstrol in my cycle will harden the muscles even tho it wont add any mass but will those muscles being denser make them harder to lose?

keep it simple, test on cycle 1

3. Is it a rule of thumb that the quicker you gain muscle the quicker you will lose it?

no. it is easier to maintain the longer you have it but you only lose it if you suck

4. Will the gains on an 8 week cycle of test e @ 500mg a week be harder to keep than 16 weeks @ 250mg ? or will it be harder to get natural test levels back to normal after such a long cycle?

the longer you are supressed the harder it is to recover

5. Is the water retention caused from deca estrogen related? i read somewhere that adding proviron wont help with water retention from deca cause it isnt caused by the excess levels of estrogen. anyone?

wrong deca stimulates pgr. completely unrelated to estro.
estrogen/progesterone side effect control on cycle
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=354229

6. Is there any substitue for HCG as i cant get my hands on HCG and realise that getting my natural test levels back to normal as quick as possible will minimize the loss of gains ( i know its impossible to keep them all!)

a good pct

my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4111013

7. Will adding proviron to a test cycle only be beneficial? as in reducing water retention or will it also minimize gains as i think i read that estrogen has a positive effect on gains??

estrogen needs to be kept in check
read this i cover a lot about it

my (one8nine's) starter pack
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=352741

8. Does starting aas too early ( remember im only 20) make it harder to gain mass when you go back to trying to gain naturally?

i dont think so

Ive been trying to come up with a cycle between deca (cos i heard the gains are easier to keep than test ) test e proviron (help with water retention) and winny. Even tho the first two are prodominantely mass gainers i thort adding in winny may give a bit of a mix of a bulking and mass cycle??

you heard wrong. deca is very suppresive.
bulking/mass is diet dependant. you need to do a lot more research if you dont know that.

Test Beginner Cycle Guide
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

tag team partner (phate's) starter pack
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355504

kale's starter pack
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=331179

[G4R]

^^^^^Haha, Yeah.... what one8nine said

[anabolictonic]

thanks one8nine seems i was ill informed about deca ... cheers

[one8nine]

did you read all those links

[Flex-Appeal]

did you read all those links

i doubt it lol

[RANA]

^^^^^Haha, Yeah.... what one8nine said

What going4ripped said

[one8nine]

What going4ripped said

yeah what rana said

[one8nine]

i doubt it lol

wtf man i make some good links imo