Need Some Suggestions...

**NewSB** · 08-24-2008, 11:07 AM

Ive been asking questions about prolact gyno lately. I have a slight case of it (puffy nipples) from years ago. My next cycle is going to be Sustanon from Balkan. My question is should i take letro "on" cycle hoping it will get rid of the prolact or is it tooo late because it came from deca years ago and was not treated then. If it's too late, i will use arimdex or l-dex and deal with having slight prolact gyno.

Also...many experts have mentioned i should be using eod instead of twice a week. I have 2 10ml bottles, can not get another so......twice a week would last me 10 weeks....or should i be using eod resulting in a shorter cycle??? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated...thanks everyone

**WARMachine** · 08-24-2008, 11:19 AM

You need more then...

Sus needs to be shot EOD...

If you still have gyno from years ago, surgery is the only way to correct it...

If you are worried about gyno on cycle, .25mg of Letro ED will combat this...

189's pct
http://forums.steroid.com/pct-post-cycle-therapy/354573-one8nines-opinion-pct-links-side-effect-control-too.html#post4111013

Read this, it has other useful links as well...

**NewSB** · 08-24-2008, 11:24 AM

Even if its prolactin??? no lumps, just puffy around the nipples milk ducts

**WARMachine** · 08-24-2008, 11:28 AM

How long ago did this occur?
And how is your tyroid? an overactive thyroid can cause elevated prolactin levels also...

besides running a PCT on its own, id say youre S.O.L.

unless someone has a direct answer, im havent done enough research on the subject, i can do some for you if you like...

Also i take it you didnt use Caber while on that deca cycle huh?

**NewSB** · 08-24-2008, 12:05 PM

War i would greatly appreciate it. To answer ur question, i did not use caber or Bromo. I was very young and did not research properly. I understand u must treat gyno asap, but as far as prolactin goes, i thought it is reverseable? No lumps, just alittle puffy when laying down. What do u think?

**WARMachine** · 08-24-2008, 12:08 PM

Gimmie a few, ill do some research for ya... (though im semi-confident you are correct, it is reversable, but better safe than sorry!) You do some too and see what you come up with, two heads are better than one idea!

Btw if anyone knows the direct answer it would be a great help!(it would save me having to look through a TON of shit! HAHA)

**NewSB** · 08-24-2008, 12:36 PM

ive been doing sooo much research, but i can't seem to find a straight answer. i understand what to do if u are planning on taking a nor 19 , but what do u do if u are planning on taking test and want to get rid of that prolactin or do not want it to get worse from ur next cycle. This will be my first cycle in 6 years. "War" knows what im talking about....if anyone else wants to chime in feel free.

**WARMachine** · 08-24-2008, 01:09 PM

Hmmm... i see what you mean New... Its very conflicting...

Honestly, i think you should run a PCT and put off your cycle fora few months...

Ill continue looking for research because this is a interesting issue for me personally as well...

So for now, BUMP!

**one8nine** · 08-24-2008, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by NewSB

Ive been asking questions about prolact gyno lately. I have a slight case of it (puffy nipples) from years ago. My next cycle is going to be Sustanon from Balkan. My question is should i take letro "on" cycle hoping it will get rid of the prolact or is it tooo late because it came from deca years ago and was not treated then. If it's too late, i will use arimdex or l-dex and deal with having slight prolact gyno.

Also...many experts have mentioned i should be using eod instead of twice a week. I have 2 10ml bottles, can not get another so......twice a week would last me 10 weeks....or should i be using eod resulting in a shorter cycle??? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated...thanks everyone

why do you think you can only shoot 1ml at a time
have you thought of...
0.5ml eod??
yes try that

**one8nine** · 08-24-2008, 01:11 PM

you can run this any time to reverse the gyno you have, on cycle or off.

gyno reversal
All you need to know about GYNO.

but if you have histrory of gyno sides just use letro on every cycle from now on

**LATS60** · 08-24-2008, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by NewSB

Ive been asking questions about prolact gyno lately. I have a slight case of it (puffy nipples) from years ago. My next cycle is going to be Sustanon from Balkan. My question is should i take letro "on" cycle hoping it will get rid of the prolact or is it tooo late because it came from deca years ago and was not treated then. If it's too late, i will use arimdex or l-dex and deal with having slight prolact gyno.

Also...many experts have mentioned i should be using eod instead of twice a week. I have 2 10ml bottles, can not get another so......twice a week would last me 10 weeks....or should i be using eod resulting in a shorter cycle??? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated...thanks everyone

If your worried about gyno on cycle take letro.
Sustanon you can happily shoot 2Xwk.

**WARMachine** · 08-24-2008, 01:28 PM

^^^ Idealy, you wanna pin Sus EOD though, if you only want to pin 2xW, switch to Test E

**LATS60** · 08-24-2008, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by war4BTT

^^^ Idealy, you wanna pin Sus EOD though, if you only want to pin 2xW, switch to Test E

Sustanon is so misunderstood.
This i posted on another thread yesterday.
The point is that sust is no diff from a single ester in it's action, in that it still produces a logarithmic curve, sust action justs starts quicker and has a longer duration of action, this means that it doesn't have to be shot as often as E for example, because supraphysiological serum levels do not occur till after day 10 (that as you all know is about half the half life) the esters are hydrolised into the hormone as soon as they enter the blood stream T(max) is 24-48 hrs after injection.
Here's the graph, now why would you need to shoot sust EOD unless your doing 5g wk.

HORSE, i agree. even once wk, plasma test levels are still stable enough so as not to cause supraphysiological effects, so very few sides.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Y...xBkRKuNff_TGMg

**WARMachine** · 08-24-2008, 01:40 PM

Link doesnt work for me, it says it cant locate server(maybe cause its from the UK? Idk, i HATE computers)... Perhaps you have another?

But i would like to hear more on this subject...

Perhaps it is misunderstood (Do not tell 189 though, i cant stand to see him upset!

)

**LATS60** · 08-24-2008, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by war4BTT

Link doesnt work for me, it says it cant locate server(maybe cause its from the UK? Idk, i HATE computers)... Perhaps you have another?

But i would like to hear more on this subject...

Perhaps it is misunderstood (Do not tell 189 though, i cant stand to see him upset!

)

LOL, the graph does prove the point, i'll try to get it posted.

**one8nine** · 08-24-2008, 01:48 PM

sust sucks.
lats60 and i have argued esters and halflives and active lives to the death. were at the agree to disagree stage.

**WARMachine** · 08-24-2008, 01:49 PM

Id love to see it in all its glory...

I think its cause my computer has so many virus'.... Damn you bang bros, you told me it was secure!!!

Haha good to know 189, no we have both sides of the argument!

**NewSB** · 08-24-2008, 01:54 PM

I appreciate everyone taking an interest..War i feel the same way as u...but many users have stated that eod would decrease sides so....i only have access to 20ml soo...i guess i have to decide which way i want to go..mayb i will have better results using .05eod like 189 stated and may keep levels more in check.

But back to the proglact problem....this was caused by deca and 50 tabs of dbol 7 years ago. i understand the mistakes that i made so u guys dont need to tell me how dumb i was, i know i was dumb. Older and wiser now, great workout routine and diet, u think i should use letro "on" instead of arimadex or l-dex? Maybe it will get rid of this prolact from years ago..mayb not. But i dont want to block soo much estrogen because then i wont really make the gains im looking for right? (if letro is used only twice a week instead of eod, does it still block about 95% of estrogen?, if it doesn't i will definitly consider using while "on")

**WARMachine** · 08-24-2008, 01:58 PM

I would def. use Letro instead of Adex while on cycle...

Letro kills the problem in its tracks...

Its best to taper off btw...

But .25mg ED or EOD will do you just fine...

**LATS60** · 08-24-2008, 02:06 PM

http://books.google.co.uk/books?ct=r...G=Search+Books

Try that and then click on clinical endocrinolgy page 681

**one8nine** · 08-24-2008, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by NewSB

I appreciate everyone taking an interest..War i feel the same way as u...but many users have stated that eod would decrease sides so....i only have access to 20ml soo...i guess i have to decide which way i want to go..mayb i will have better results using .05eod like 189 stated and may keep levels more in check.

But back to the proglact problem....this was caused by deca and 50 tabs of dbol 7 years ago. i understand the mistakes that i made so u guys dont need to tell me how dumb i was, i know i was dumb. Older and wiser now, great workout routine and diet, u think i should use letro "on" instead of arimadex or l-dex? Maybe it will get rid of this prolact from years ago..mayb not. But i dont want to block soo much estrogen because then i wont really make the gains im looking for right? (if letro is used only twice a week instead of eod, does it still block about 95% of estrogen?, if it doesn't i will definitly consider using while "on")

you can run this any time to reverse the gyno you have, on cycle or off.

gyno reversal
All you need to know about GYNO.

but if you have histrory of gyno sides just use letro on every cycle from now on

read

**NewSB** · 08-24-2008, 02:11 PM

Think the letro should be ran a week prior to the sus, as soon as i start, or maybe a week or two into? I have heard soo many different things..i want to make sure i dont make the foolish mistakes i made last time. This will be my first time using test so i want to do it right. Im not sure if im prone to gyno or not. From what i have read, it is not uncommon to have slight puffy nipples (i guess thats prolact) from using deca and not taking the correct precautions. U dont think the tabs of D-bol was the cause do u? Most likely the Nor19.

Also since i have never used test before i dont really know how gyno prone i am, do u think someone who is gyno prone would have developed lumps from the deca? Trying to anticipate the best i can with research and advice.

Btw...my stats...im approx 11% BF
26
5'10
175lbs

**WARMachine** · 08-24-2008, 02:16 PM

You probably are SB...

And it was most likely from the Deca btw...

I think if you run the test at a good dose and do a proper PCT you should be totally fine...

BTW im reading the article now LATS

**NewSB** · 08-24-2008, 02:32 PM

189 great link thank you...how do i sticky something on here so i have quick access to that page?

War and 189...so u think letro while on...ill start it 2 weeks prior to the sus...ill start my pct with nolva on my last day of letro and i want to use an AI as well with nolva. I was gonna try out ARR's products, but i can not seem to find arom. What do u guys think is a good subsitute?

Real quick...sorry about all these questions...its seems to be 50/50 with whether to take sus eod or 2xw. Some of my buddies seem to be happy with their gains and zero sides. You guys are very knowledgeable...i like to hear what u have to say

**WARMachine** · 08-24-2008, 02:42 PM

Id say EOD... 189 is gonna tell you to sell that crap and get E or C...

But if youre gonna keep it, id say EOD!

proviron is a sub for aromasin ...

Why dont you lay out your entire cycle and PCT with doses so we can make sure there are no mistakes... Just lookin out for ya!

BTW i just copy the sticky link and paste it in my visitor section, im sure there is a better way, but idk...
I have easy access to them whenever i need to post for someone or check on somethin for myself... View my profile and you'll see...

**NewSB** · 08-24-2008, 03:27 PM

sus 250 balkan
.05 eod 1-10
letro arr
.25 e3d 1 week prior and 1-10
nolva and prov arr (if arr has prov)
nolva 20/30mgs ed 11-13
prov unsure?

**WARMachine** · 08-24-2008, 03:29 PM

Thats kinda tough to decifer through bro...
Try laying it out like this... In mg's too!

Example:
Wks 1-12: Test Prop 75MG ED etc...
PCT
Wks 12-18: Nolvadex 25MG ED etc...