Dbol and Test E First cycle

[anabolictonic]

Hi guys just a couple of questions - all opinons/experiences appreciated.

Cycle is as follows

Week 1 - 4 Dbol at 25mg ED
Week 1 - 10 Test e @ 500mg ew
Week 12 - 15 Nolva for pct 40/30/20/10

Are most of the gains from dbol estrogen related - i ask this cos was plannin on using an AI to prevent the bloat but will this cancel out all the gains from the dbol as well making taking both pointless.??

Is this the same for the gains from test or would taking an AI on the test ( week 4 - 10 ) to reduce aromatizing be justifiable??

[anabolictonic]

the ai is proviron by the way

[stallion_1]

thats actually a good cycle.
did u come up with it newbie or did someone tell u?
yes u can use proviron to keep the bloat down and estrogen sides to a minimum

also make sure to use it in pct as well

[anabolictonic]

Thanks m8, came up with it myself after alot of reading.

I read that the effects of dbol were estrogen mediated so using proviron would make taking the dbols useless just wasnt sure if it was true or not.

Yer its my first cycle so really excited! Am contemplating creating a cycle log but not sure if it will be of use/ people will read it

[stallion_1]

no if u use proviron and dbol , dbol will still be effective. but the bloating wont be as much and ull be protected from estrogen. oh people will read ur log buddy. by the by Effective dose: 25-100 mg / day orally for proviron.

good luck lad

[anabolictonic]

thanks m8 50 mg ed it is - You ever used proviron ?

Any one else care to share an opinion /experience?

[stallion_1]

no, i dont usually use proviron . i use some other shit. make sure to use it in pct too. although this might raise ur liver values since ur taking dbol and proviron is methylated.

nope no one

[anabolictonic]

haha cheers m8

[stallion_1]

bonne chance mon ami Britannique et dieu vitesse !!

[blacksmith]

hey buddy..

I'm doing the same cycle except I'm running dbol for 6 weeks on 30mg daily.

Is 6 weeks too long?

[stallion_1]

hey buddy..

I'm doing the same cycle except I'm running dbol for 6 weeks on 30mg daily.

Is 6 weeks too long?

no, its fine ull be ok bud
but no more than 6 weeks

[anabolictonic]

na mate 6 weeks fine - if your worried about it tho pik up some milk thistle from ya local chemist to help out ya liver

When you start your cycle mate?

Wats ya stats m8? would be interestin to compare progress/results

[anabolictonic]

Opinions guys?

[one8nine]

Week 1 - 4 Dbol at 25mg ED
Week 1 - 10 Test e @ 500mg ew
Week 12 - 15 Nolva for pct 40/30/20/10

make pct 13-16, nolva 20mg ed, 50mg proviron ed
i agree with everything stallion said. except whatever that german was.

your cycle look almost exactly like this guide, i like it

Beginner Cycle Guide
Test beginner cycle info

and heres my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/pct-post-cycle-therapy/354573-one8nines-opinion-pct-links-side-effect-control-too.html#post4111013

[anabolictonic]

cheers m8... do u think tapering test is a good idea?

[one8nine]

cheers m8... do u think tapering test is a good idea?

no its a terrible idea
it accomplishes nothing and we want our levels as stable as possible
test e takes 4-6 weeks to peak anyway
you know to inject 250mg 2x a week right?
this is a graph of your blood levels

see it tapers itself

Test Injection Frequency Graphs

[blacksmith]

na mate 6 weeks fine - if your worried about it tho pik up some milk thistle from ya local chemist to help out ya liver

When you start your cycle mate?

Wats ya stats m8? would be interestin to compare progress/results

Hey mate,

Age 22
Height 198cm
Weight 97 kgs
Training since 2003
Diet Vegeterian
Cycle:

Week 1-6 D-bol 30mg a day
Week 1-12 Test-E 500mg (2 injections week)
PCT Nolva

Hoping being vego wont ruin my gains...see how i go.

What d-bol are you taking? (colour and mg?) my supplier has red and blue gear...thinking that red is the 5mg not sure on the blue?

what are you on?

what are your stats?

[one8nine]

start your own thread so we can talk about your stats and diet

[one8nine]

actually ill just start this in your other dbol thread

[anabolictonic]

haha you is huge man! what are your goals from the cycle?

My gear is from an australian pharmecutical company
dbols are in 10mg tabs
test e 250mg/ml

im 5'11
80Kgs
14%bf
lifting 2 years

My goals are to end up keepin about 12-15lbs of lean muscle but main goal is to not let bf% get up more than 1-2%.

[one8nine]

haha you is huge man! what are your goals from the cycle?

My gear is from an australian pharmecutical company
dbols are in 10mg tabs
test e 250mg/ml

im 5'11
80Kgs
14%bf
lifting 2 years

My goals are to end up keepin about 12-15lbs of lean muscle but main goal is to not let bf% get up more than 1-2%.

why dont you get a clean diet? you can easily gain 15 pounds and lose 3% bf on that cycle with a solid diet

[anabolictonic]

yer i asked a question the other day but no one responded. The gains you get are training/diet dependant i no that but what changes should i make to my diet to get those results? Fewer carbs? wat else

[lcstriker07]

Post your full diet up in the diet forum. Those guys will tear it down completely and build it up perfectly.

[WARMachine]

haha did i hear someone say diet tear down...

Where's it at???

[blacksmith]

haha you is huge man! what are your goals from the cycle?

My gear is from an australian pharmecutical company
dbols are in 10mg tabs
test e 250mg/ml

im 5'11
80Kgs
14%bf
lifting 2 years

My goals are to end up keepin about 12-15lbs of lean muscle but main goal is to not let bf% get up more than 1-2%.

Anabolictonic...seemed to have highjacked this thread slightly, my apologies. haha.

My goals are some solid gains...mass without much bf gain...see how we go!

Think i should get good results...lift reasonably heavy, train often, never miss a session...good technique, just my diet (very important) that might be a bit of a weakness (posted it in my "versions of dbol " thread)

gluck with yours dude.

[anabolictonic]

haha no worries mate let us know how your gettin on during cycle - good luck

[JiGGaMaN]

Hey mate,

Age 22
Height 198cm
Weight 97 kgs
Training since 2003
Diet Vegeterian
Cycle:

Week 1-6 D-bol 30mg a day
Week 1-12 Test-E 500mg (2 injections week)
PCT Nolva

Hoping being vego wont ruin my gains...see how i go.

What d-bol are you taking? (colour and mg?) my supplier has red and blue gear...thinking that red is the 5mg not sure on the blue?

what are you on?

what are your stats?

Reconsider being a vegetarian. It will make things a lot easier. I am practically vegetarian, but it gets difficult trying to get 250g of protein a day from milk cottage cheese and eggs. Throw in some fish at least.

[anabolictonic]

does dbol aromatize heavily in fat cells like im told test does??

[one8nine]

does dbol aromatize heavily in fat cells like im told test does??

i bet your answer is in this post

estrogen/progesterone side effect control on cycle
estrogen/progesterone and gyno/side effects INFO FOR NEW GUYS

[lcstriker07]

haha did i hear someone say diet tear down...

Where's it at???

HAHA I was pretty surprised you hadn't jumped his ass for his diet and told him to man up and use prop yet.