Are the strength gains from a cutter keeps post-cycle?

[Maverick_J8]

Assuming PCT is precise.

Example; a 10 week cycle of Test, Tren , and Anavar will yield crazy strength gains, even in a calorie deficit.

Will these be keeps? Let's hear your experiences.

[stallion_1]

ja, at der især stakken vil give skøre gevinster, selv på et lavt calory kost. nu, hvis du vil gøre gevinster i massen, skal du have en god kost og spise en masse, så vil du have at spise en masse kalorier. de gevinster, som du gør i din cyklus vil kunne holdes på så lang en du har din kost i skak. dybest set, det hele kommer ned til kost, men ja vil du sikkert have god styrke gevinster.

held og lykke!!

[Maverick_J8]

ja, at der især stakken vil give skøre gevinster, selv på et lavt calory kost. nu, hvis du vil gøre gevinster i massen, skal du have en god kost og spise en masse, så vil du have at spise en masse kalorier. de gevinster, som du gør i din cyklus vil kunne holdes på så lang en du har din kost i skak. dybest set, det hele kommer ned til kost, men ja vil du sikkert have god styrke gevinster.

held og lykke!!

I'm English if you didn't notice.

[stallion_1]

I'm English if you didn't notice.

lol sorry mate. im a bit drunk. but eh ya my experience is there.

[Maverick_J8]

lol sorry mate. im a bit drunk. but eh ya my experience is there.

[stallion_1]

yes, that particular stack will yield crazy gains, even in a low calory diet. now if you want to make gains in mass, you need to have a good diet and eat a lot so you will have to eat a lot of calories. the gains that you make in your cycle will be able to be kept as long a you have your diet in check. basically, it all comes down to diet, but yes you will certainly have good strenght gains.

[one8nine]

as long as you keep training and eating youll keep 75%-100% but if you remain cal deficient it will fade fast

[Maverick_J8]

Ok, excellent!

6 month ago i managed to get down to 5.4% b/f (see pic attached) naturally, with no gear. Not naming EC stack as "gear" that is.

I've recently come off Test D-bol cycle, and gained a little b/f as expected. I now plan to run a cut with the use of gear and the exactly same diet I used before, and see how far I can take that.

Then negatives regarding doing it naturally was tiredness and loss of both strength and muscle. I'm hoping this cutter will change that.

[one8nine]

Ok, excellent!

6 month ago i managed to get down to 5.4% b/f (see pic attached) naturally, with no gear. Not naming EC stack as "gear" that is.

I've recently come off Test D-bol cycle, and gained a little b/f as expected. I now plan to run a cut with the use of gear and the exactly same diet I used before, and see how far I can take that.

Then negatives regarding doing it naturally was tiredness and loss of both strength and muscle. I'm hoping this cutter will change that.

sick pic bro
well it seems you have everything down
lay out your exact cycle with times, dosages, pct id love to help

[Maverick_J8]

Thanks man.

Here's is the proposed:

Test E - 500mg/wk (May go for Test Prop but at the moment, i'm not looking forward to so many bloody jabs a wk.)
Tren A - 150mg ED
Anavar - 40-50mg/day


PCT Clomid, Nolva, Arimidex , Vit E.

[lcstriker07]

With Tren A you're already pinning ed so you may as well go with prop. But that's a huge tren dosage! Have you ever used it before? You may want to check out some of the threads about tren sides. Sounds like a drug that takes a toll on your mental wellbeing and social life.

[one8nine]

Thanks man.

Here's is the proposed:

Test E - 500mg/wk (May go for Test Prop but at the moment, i'm not looking forward to so many bloody jabs a wk.)
Tren A - 150mg ED
Anavar - 40-50mg/day


PCT Clomid, Nolva, Arimidex, Vit E.

test e can be a good cutter with arimidex dont sweat it
but youre injeting tren a ed ?? why not use t prop/ t ace? or just go 2x a week t enan/t enan??
you didnt write how many weeks of each
or pct start time
or dosages of pct

[MercyDog]

nice cut I'd love to go there some day but can relate to the "loss of both strength and muscle". I've always been stuck between a bodybuilder and powerlifter but thats were I feel right.

It would be better to mix the two injects at 100mgs. each ed if possible. From what you posted I'd go a little more test and a little less tren . Also the first 2 weeks I'd only run the test E at a gram week then bring the tren in the mix at 100/100ed.

[Maverick_J8]

test e can be a good cutter with arimidex dont sweat it
but youre injeting tren a ed ?? why not use t prop/ t ace? or just go 2x a week t enan/t enan??
you didnt write how many weeks of each
or pct start time
or dosages of pct

It's AR's PCT. Cannot remember dosages off top of head at the moment, but I have written down.

Two weeks after last injection if Test Enanthate . Good point, how soon if Prop? If I can mix the two - Prop and Tren - then I'll stick with that.

8 weeks in total. For everything.

[Maverick_J8]

nice cut I'd love to go there some day but can relate to the "loss of both strength and muscle". I've always been stuck between a bodybuilder and powerlifter but thats were I feel right.

It would be better to mix the two injects at 100mgs. each ed if possible. From what you posted I'd go a little more test and a little less tren. Also the first 2 weeks I'd only run the test E at a gram week then bring the tren in the mix at 100/100ed.

A gram/wk? I wasn't planning on going any higher than 700 (if Prop, at 100mg/day). 500 if Enanthate .

Do you think i'll get better results with a gram/wk? Never gone as high as that before. But take note, i'm 22.

["Maximus"]

Damn bro, looking mad on that pic!

The gram/wk for Test E is to overload it/jump start it, to make it kick in faster than the usual 3-4 weeks someone must usually wait to start feeling its effects on the body.

However, I agree w/189... if you're shooting Tren A, then do the Test P ED pinning. From what I've read/seen from advanced members running 1mg test/week cycles, you won't notice major difference from a similarly run of test at 500-700mg week. So, either front load the test the first week or go the Test Prop route.

Also, post your PCT for advice/suggestions.

[Maverick_J8]

Damn bro, looking mad on that pic!

The gram/wk for Test E is to overload it/jump start it, to make it kick in faster than the usual 3-4 weeks someone must usually wait to start feeling its effects on the body.

However, I agree w/189... if you're shooting Tren A, then do the Test P ED pinning. From what I've read/seen from advanced members running 1mg test/week cycles, you won't notice major difference from a similarly run of test at 500-700mg week. So, either front load the test the first week or go the Test Prop route.

Also, post your PCT for advice/suggestions.

Ok I must of misread. They were talking about kickstarting with a gram/wk?!

Here is the PCT;

Week Nolvadex HCG Aromasin Vitamin E
1 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
2 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
3 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
4 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
5 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
6 20mgs/day

[JiGGaMaN]

Thats 1050mg tren per week. Holy crap. I find you keep more size than you do strength. Strength you dont hold on to well/at all.

["Maximus"]

Ok I must of misread. They were talking about kickstarting with a gram/wk?!

Here is the PCT;

Week Nolvadex HCG Aromasin Vitamin E
1 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
2 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
3 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
4 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
5 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
6 20mgs/day

Nice split, the Aromasin is very nice indeed. Where's your on-cycle Estro control? AI? Also, you'll need to start that hCG at least a week or two on-cycle and cut it a week or two into PCT.
The Vitamin E is a bit too high; I would rather keep it between 500 (+/- 200IUs more) IUS day/week.

Yeah, the Tren is a bit too high as well... don't need to exceed more than 500-700 mgs a week for the Tren.

[one8nine]

how about this
1-10 test p 100mg ed
1-9 tren a 100mg ed
var however
11-14 20mg nolva, 50mg aromasin or proviron
9-12 hcg 500iu 2x a week
1-10: letro .25mg ed

500iu ed is insane

hcg crash course
http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-steroids-questions-answers/355725-crash-course-hcg.html#post4127466

my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/pct-post-cycle-therapy/354573-one8nines-opinion-pct-links-side-effect-control-too.html#post4111013

estrogen/progesterone side effect control on cycle
estrogen/progesterone and gyno/side effects INFO FOR NEW GUYS

[Garbanzo Dude]

Ok, excellent!

6 month ago i managed to get down to 5.4% b/f (see pic attached) naturally, with no gear. Not naming EC stack as "gear" that is.

I've recently come off Test D-bol cycle, and gained a little b/f as expected. I now plan to run a cut with the use of gear and the exactly same diet I used before, and see how far I can take that.

Then negatives regarding doing it naturally was tiredness and loss of both strength and muscle. I'm hoping this cutter will change that.

Good job bro.... GREAT ABS......can you give us an idea on your diet....cardio and ECA doage you used before

[MercyDog]

yea the gram was just to frontload 2 weeks. No need to do this with prop. I'm curious why you'd run the prop at 700 and the enth at 500? Over a gram of tren a week is a pretty big load.

[Maverick_J8]

how about this
1-10 test p 100mg ed
1-9 tren a 100mg ed
var however
11-14 20mg nolva, 50mg aromasin or proviron
9-12 hcg 500iu 2x a week
1-10: letro .25mg ed

500iu ed is insane

hcg crash course
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4127466

my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4111013

estrogen/progesterone side effect control on cycle
estrogen/progesterone and gyno/side effects INFO FOR NEW GUYS

Thanks bro. Much appreciated.

[one8nine]

you like it like that? any questions about it?

[Maverick_J8]

Good job bro.... GREAT ABS......can you give us an idea on your diet....cardio and ECA doage you used before

Thank you.

Diet was at maintenance calories, but extremely clean. For carb sources 1 cup oats for breakfast, 1 cup of brown rice thereafter. No carbs after 6.

Very bland. Very boring. But did the job.

No cardio. And haven't ever directly trained abs. Genetics if you like; i have a very fast metabolism.

EC stack, 50mg/200mg 3x/day.

yea the gram was just to frontload 2 weeks. No need to do this with prop. I'm curious why you'd run the prop at 700 and the enth at 500? Over a gram of tren a week is a pretty big load.

I was just undecided. No specific reason.

[Maverick_J8]

you like it like that? any questions about it?

Sure do. I'm going to use as blueprint.

Only question, something that stood out, 50mg Aromasin /day?

[one8nine]

Sure do. I'm going to use as blueprint.

Only question, something that stood out, 50mg Aromasin/day?

thats for pct
read read

my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4111013

[Maverick_J8]

how about this
1-10 test p 100mg ed
1-9 tren a 100mg ed
var however
11-14 20mg nolva, 50mg aromasin or proviron
9-12 hcg 500iu 2x a week
1-10: letro .25mg ed

500iu ed is insane

hcg crash course
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4127466

my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4111013

estrogen/progesterone side effect control on cycle
estrogen/progesterone and gyno/side effects INFO FOR NEW GUYS

So I'm getting nearer - Start in a couple of weeks.

Everything is planned and laid out as above, however can I get away with not using Letro during?

[Maverick_J8]

Update:

I am now 7 days in. 100mg Prop/day. 100mg Tren /day.

Hadn't seen much apart from Tren Cough (which subsided after a day or two), ****ed up dreams, and aggression.. until today.

I decided to go gym and do 20 minute of cardio, then decided to just get my workout for today - Shoulders and Bi's - out of the way now, while i'm down here.

Endurance was absolutely brilliant. And pumps, oh yes!!!! I'm now seeing why you guys love this stuff so much. And the best thing of all is, i'm in a deficit. Up 4-5lbs on the scale, and losing fat at the same time.

[Maverick_J8]

UPDATE:

Now 2 weeks in, and things are really starting to pick up. Fatloss is extraordinary to say the least. Seriously. And now strength is really picking up. All in a calorie deficit.

Something that is strange to me is on the subject of side effects. I'm on 100mg/day of both Prop and Tren , but no sides whatsoever that really stand out.

Maybe i'm one of the fortunate ones, or maybe they are still yet to come?

Overall i'm loving this cycle so bloody much. I will post pics after cycle.


EDIT: I'm also 6lbs up on the scale (on top of starting weight that is), with huge fatloss.

[Maverick_J8]

Now 4 weeks in.

Up 10lbs on scale. 5lbs down in bodyfat (measuring under 5% on digi's).

Strength, endurance and energy down the gym brilliant!!!

I'm now out of Ephedrine and my next order should arrive by next weekend. Therefore, i'll be increasing calories just to maintain until they arrive.

10 more days on the Tren . Prop I have enough to run for another 6, depending on how and where I feel I'm at.

[Maverick_J8]

Edit

[football3355]

Thanks man.

Here's is the proposed:

Test E - 500mg/wk (May go for Test Prop but at the moment, i'm not looking forward to so many bloody jabs a wk.)
Tren A - 150mg ED
Anavar - 40-50mg/day


PCT Clomid, Nolva, Arimidex, Vit E.

i say you put halo instead of anavar depending on what you wanna do. I know that halo gives me WAY more strength gains in the 4 weeks in use then tren does in a whole cycle (crazy i know) and most of it is easily retainable if diet is good. Just a thought. good luck!

[dece870717]

I believe most of them are not especially with roids like Tren that give you such an excessive amount of strength which comes from the Tren it self acting on the androgen receptors. Most strength gains in cutters are hard to keep because to really keep strength gains you have to add muscle and etc. and thats hard to do on a very low calorie deficit.

[football3355]

I believe most of them are not especially with roids like Tren that give you such an excessive amount of strength which comes from the Tren it self acting on the androgen receptors. Most strength gains in cutters are hard to keep because to really keep strength gains you have to add muscle and etc. and thats hard to do on a very low calorie deficit.

second that. But why does everyone make tren out to be the "best" strength wise? I mean i've done tren and am 10 days into my halo cycle. I find halo to be soooooo much better than tren for strength, although tren is awesome too, its just halo is KING for strength no matter what. i prolly put on 40-50lbs on my squat on a tren cycle (10 weeker) and ive already put on 50lbs on my squat from my 10 days of halo. Hopefully ill get 100lbs on my squat at the end of 4 weeks. BTW I kept about 35 of that tren strength and hopefully ill keep 80-85 of the halo.

[dece870717]

second that. But why does everyone make tren out to be the "best" strength wise? I mean i've done tren and am 10 days into my halo cycle. I find halo to be soooooo much better than tren for strength, although tren is awesome too, its just halo is KING for strength no matter what. i prolly put on 40-50lbs on my squat on a tren cycle (10 weeker) and ive already put on 50lbs on my squat from my 10 days of halo. Hopefully ill get 100lbs on my squat at the end of 4 weeks. BTW I kept about 35 of that tren strength and hopefully ill keep 80-85 of the halo.

Most people have never used Halo and/or don't have a source that has it and usually all sources carry Tren so with what people can normally get Tren is the best strength wise for most people because most can't really get a hold of anything like halo.

[football3355]

Most people have never used Halo and/or don't have a source that has it and usually all sources carry Tren so with what people can normally get Tren is the best strength wise for most people because most can't really get a hold of anything like halo.

ooooo duh...my bad bro. Makes complete sense. Luckily I have access to it, but tren is just as expensive (i think)

[graeme87]

I don’t want to hijack the thread but what halo dose do you use football?

[Maverick_J8]

I don’t want to hijack the thread but what halo dose do you use football?

You just did. Post up your own thread.