on behalf of a mate.

**leamanoid** · 09-03-2008, 02:30 AM

Hello Forum,

I have a mate who wants to ask a question but does not want to get burnt.

It is first cycle and he wants to do a light cycle.

He was recommended 1ml of sus250 for 6 weeks.

He does not want to use decca or nandrolane.

He wants to know what results he will get with conjunction of intense cardio and weights 4 times per week.

**stallion_1** · 09-03-2008, 02:34 AM

i know for a fact that that friend is you.
so u will get burnt.
6 weeks is too short
waste of time gear n money.
no body can tell u what results can be expected since they vary from person to person.

**rhino1** · 09-03-2008, 02:37 AM

Originally Posted by leamanoid

Hello Forum,

I have a mate who wants to ask a question but does not want to get burnt.

It is first cycle and he wants to do a light cycle.

He was recommended 1ml of sus250 for 6 weeks.

He does not want to use decca or nandrolane.

He wants to know what results he will get with conjunction of intense cardio and weights 4 times per week.

Dude...you so are trisomy 21....

**rhino1** · 09-03-2008, 02:39 AM

this absolutly blows my mind...are you like 12 years old??? id swear its like talking to a democrat...

**leamanoid** · 09-03-2008, 02:41 AM

No no. Im on the testoviron .

This is honestley for my mate. He has never used before.

**rhino1** · 09-03-2008, 02:42 AM

rotflmao

**ruwet** · 09-03-2008, 03:01 AM

He was actually posting on behalf of me, Who was advised for a light first cycle 6ml of sus250 1ml a week would be appropriate then do the appropriate PCT but after reading this forum I'm starting to think different.
I am 21 yrs old around 105kgs 6 foot, Been training year and a half diet is in check 6
Mon - Chest
Tues - Back
Wed - Legs
Thurs - Shoulders
Fri - Arms
Abs 3 x a week and cardio atleast 4 days a week as well.
I want to put on size but also loose some bodyfat I have been loosing weight recently since I switched up my diet.
I am a n00b to steroids but not to training but I don't claim to be know it all. I train right eat right and rest right, I stopped drinking and Partying this year (the odd night here and there)
This is a genuine question, Not expecting huge gains but wanted to go soft for first cycle. If this is a complete waste of time let me know if so maybe reccomend a better cycle.
I'm not against Decca just was told you retain a bit of water and can blote on it and seeing as I'm trying to cut up a bit didn't sound like the go.
Any help for will be appreciated

**rhino1** · 09-03-2008, 03:06 AM

First off sus is not a good choice...especially for a first cycle...

IF...and only IF your diet, cardio, etc is in check and your BF is near 12-15% (and 15% is pushing it) should you even consider juice....

If all that is in line try something simple like

Test E 500mg/wk x 12 wks

or at the most

Test E 500mg/wk x12 wks
Dbol 30-50mg/day x 6 wks

Keep it simple...

But befor you do anything else GO STUDY...there is tons of info on here...retarded questions will only get your ego bruised and your will broken

**rhino1** · 09-03-2008, 03:09 AM

as for PCT....take a look at one8nine's
http://forums.steroid.com/pct-post-cycle-therapy/354573-one8nines-opinion-pct-links-side-effect-control-too.html#post4111013

**rhino1** · 09-03-2008, 03:10 AM

better yet just read this....READ ALL OF THIS

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=352741

**ruwet** · 09-03-2008, 03:14 AM

thanks for the info, In Aus sus250 is very popular and heard nothing but great things from the 5 or 6 people I know who have used.
Currently reading thru all the info in the last post. thanks
You said sus is not a good choise for a first cycle why is that?

**rhino1** · 09-03-2008, 03:19 AM

Read this thread....
this is why sust sucks

What is the point to have something so unstable...your gains will suffer....

you should keep it simple...your androgen receptors are fresh and simplicity will do them just fine

**stallion_1** · 09-03-2008, 03:27 AM

hey bros i dont wanna start trouble, but i gotta say this rhino has been brainwashed by 189. sustanon is fine, it dont matter whether it is a first cycle second or if ur a professional. the mere and simple fact that some people dont like sustanon does not in anyway make it a bad choice. i have used sustanon over and over i have pinned it in every possible way and as u can see by my avi, i know what im talking about. i have argued this matter with 189 and still there is no evidence suggested by him that sustanon will not provide good results. so rhino i dont wanna argue, i know u look up to 189 and he is ur idol but make sure ur idol can reply and contradict me before u use his suggestions.

--stallion

**rhino1** · 09-03-2008, 03:33 AM

why do you think i have been brainwashed....just because I agree with 189? and on the same token...just because you love sus it doesn't make it great....im sure you didn't achieve your progress just on sus...remember that diet thing???

**rhino1** · 09-03-2008, 03:34 AM

Originally Posted by stallion_1

hey bros i dont wanna start trouble, but i gotta say this rhino has been brainwashed by 189. sustanon is fine, it dont matter whether it is a first cycle second or if ur a professional. the mere and simple fact that some people dont like sustanon does not in anyway make it a bad choice. i have used sustanon over and over i have pinned it in every possible way and as u can see by my avi, i know what im talking about. i have argued this matter with 189 and still there is no evidence suggested by him that sustanon will not provide good results. so rhino i dont wanna argue, i know u look up to 189 and he is ur idol but make sure ur idol can reply and contradict me before u use his suggestions.

--stallion

and it is quite obvious you are very diciplined...not everyone is like you...that is the reason I dont recommend it to a 1st timer....thats all

**stallion_1** · 09-03-2008, 03:37 AM

Originally Posted by rhino1

why do you think i have been brainwashed....just because I agree with 189? and on the same token...just because you love sus it doesn't make it great....im sure you didn't achieve your progress just on sus...remember that diet thing???

i know i agree with u my fellow republican, diet is the base of all steroid cycles, i just made that statement coz u happend to be just like 189 about sustanon . i have argued with him over this matter in the past, and he failed to provide actual proof that sustanon will not deliver the same results as other type of test esters. i am not saying that i like sustanon better over any other type of ester, i am just stating the fact that sustanon is not a bad choice and if used properly and correctly it shall provide excellent gains regardless of the number of cycle.

--stallion

**rhino1** · 09-03-2008, 03:39 AM

Originally Posted by stallion_1

i know i agree with u my fellow republican, diet is the base of all steroid cycles, i just made that statement coz u happend to be just like 189 about sustanon . i have argued with him over this matter in the past, and he failed to provide actual proof that sustanon will not deliver the same results as other type of test esters. i am not saying that i like sustanon better over any other type of ester, i am just stating the fact that sustanon is not a bad choice and if used properly and correctly it shall provide excellent gains regardless of the number of cycle.

--stallion

i accept your reasoning...you are worthy

**rhino1** · 09-03-2008, 03:50 AM

Originally Posted by stallion_1

i know i agree with u my fellow republican, diet is the base of all steroid cycles, i just made that statement coz u happend to be just like 189 about sustanon . i have argued with him over this matter in the past, and he failed to provide actual proof that sustanon will not deliver the same results as other type of test esters. i am not saying that i like sustanon better over any other type of ester, i am just stating the fact that sustanon is not a bad choice and if used properly and correctly it shall provide excellent gains regardless of the number of cycle.

--stallion

not a republican....im independent conservative....future member of the future nationalist party after it is founded by michael savage

**DSM4Life** · 09-03-2008, 04:58 AM

Originally Posted by stallion_1

i know for a fact that that friend is you.
so u will get burnt.
6 weeks is too short
waste of time gear n money.
no body can tell u what results can be expected since they vary from person to person.

**rhino1** · 09-03-2008, 05:08 AM

yada yada yada blah blah blah almost 600

**SmittyTheOX** · 09-03-2008, 05:15 AM

Originally Posted by ruwet

thanks for the info, In Aus sus250 is very popular and heard nothing but great things from the 5 or 6 people I know who have used.
Currently reading thru all the info in the last post. thanks
You said sus is not a good choise for a first cycle why is that?

Hey mate, this is probably the first time a 'my mate' thread has actually been for 'a mate'.

Yes Sust is popular in Australia, fuked if I know why, and I have made it a personal quest to change it (well I would if I could be arsed).

Sust is a bad choice, and imo for ANYONE not just beginners, for a number of reasons.

1 You are blending testosterones with very different halflifes menaing it takes a longer to reach full strength (the time of the cyp) and loses strength very quickly (the time of the prop) when you stop. This all adds up for only a couple of weeks of high test blood levels.

2 Because of the faster esters you need to inject optimally every day to maintain stable blood levels. Every other day is the biggest stretch you could make, but still not 'optimal'. Anything less then this would men your blood levels end up looking like a roller coaster.

3 It generally costs more then the equivalent of the same amount in prop AND eth put together. And Prop/Eth are just as prominant down here in Aus land.

4 Just because it gives people 'good' results, it dosnt give people the 'best' results. I know which I would prefer.

Add to this that IMO 250mg/week of test (any type) is too low for any appreciable gains, and 6 weeks is definatly not long enough (because of the longer esters) this whole cycle will be a waste of time and money.

I dont mean to preach I am tyring very hard to help you see the light (so to speak) and make a better decision. Lucky your Aussie to, if you were a yank id just let you fuk up

OX

**DSM4Life** · 09-03-2008, 05:17 AM

I am going to start calling people mate here in the U.S of A.

Got it mate ?
Hey whats going on mate ?
Are you nuts , im going with my mates.

Don't mind me i am practicing....mate.

**rhino1** · 09-03-2008, 05:24 AM

Originally Posted by SmittyTheOX

Hey mate, this is probably the first time a 'my mate' thread has actually been for 'a mate'.

Yes Sust is popular in Australia, fuked if I know why, and I have made it a personal quest to change it (well I would if I could be arsed).

Sust is a bad choice, and imo for ANYONE not just beginners, for a number of reasons.

1 You are blending testosterones with very different halflifes menaing it takes a longer to reach full strength (the time of the cyp) and loses strength very quickly (the time of the prop) when you stop. This all adds up for only a couple of weeks of high test blood levels.

2 Because of the faster esters you need to inject optimally every day to maintain stable blood levels. Every other day is the biggest stretch you could make, but still not 'optimal'. Anything less then this would men your blood levels end up looking like a roller coaster.

3 It generally costs more then the equivalent of the same amount in prop AND eth put together. And Prop/Eth are just as prominant down here in Aus land.

4 Just because it gives people 'good' results, it dosnt give people the 'best' results. I know which I would prefer.

Add to this that IMO 250mg/week of test (any type) is too low for any appreciable gains, and 6 weeks is definatly not long enough (because of the longer esters) this whole cycle will be a waste of time and money.

I dont mean to preach I am tyring very hard to help you see the light (so to speak) and make a better decision. Lucky your Aussie to, if you were a yank id just let you fuk up

OX

YOU ARE A LOVER OF 189....HE IS YOUR IDOL....YOU ONLY LISTEN TO WHAT HE SAYS

lol...jk....I totally agree with you AND 189

MATE

**rhino1** · 09-03-2008, 05:25 AM

here's one for you CHECK MATE!

**ruwet** · 09-04-2008, 04:30 AM

What about Testosterone Enanthate 2ml a week for 8 weeks? would this be ok for a first cycle??

**ruwet** · 09-04-2008, 04:51 AM

sorry forgot to add the mg per ml will find out but how many mg a week would you guys reccomend for a first cycle I have been told about 500mg a week

**Auss11e** · 09-04-2008, 05:35 AM

I took sus @ 500mg p/w for 12 weeks for my first cycle (only 5 weeks into my second) and i absolutely loved it...Mate...lol

**rhino1** · 09-04-2008, 06:06 AM

Originally Posted by Auss11e

I took sus @ 500mg p/w for 12 weeks for my first cycle (only 5 weeks into my second) and i absolutely loved it...Mate...lol

but it only worked on half your body MATE

**ruwet** · 09-04-2008, 06:16 AM

funny call mate.. So 300mg twice a week for a first cycle for about 8 weeks? Better then sus lol?

**jethro1** · 09-04-2008, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by ruwet

funny call mate.. So 300mg twice a week for a first cycle for about 8 weeks? Better then sus lol?

I have used cyp, prop, enan, sust, susp, and had good results with all of them. U will see good gains with sustanon if ur diet and training are good.

I would run it for 10 wks minimum, 12 wks is better. U need to inject eod to take full advantage of the short estered tests in sus. I would run 500mg per week also.