test 400

**Bigload** · 09-04-2008, 10:51 PM

hi,
ive found a little info on TEST 400 but not to much, other then the pain that it causes....one of the guys i do weights with has been hitting test 400 and has been getting massive weight gains, im wanting to do a cycle,his knowledge is limited ...other then "it works" and to take some clomid at the end of the cycle.lol and that it will be gud for a 1st cycle.
theres no one else round my town to talk to about it.
im 511, 196lbs, 10%body fat, age 30
ive been hiting the gym hard over the last 4years and have got some good strength gains with diet and working out...
i hit 2muscle groups 6 days a week, chest + tris,legs + bis,back+shoulders
cardio,40min light jog in the mornings , at night altar between 40min boxing on the bags or a 30min-hr walk

any advice on how to take this...should i stack it?? d.bols or anything else.
is it neccessary to add deca to the cycle for the pain and effectiveness...
or just take 1ml/week, for 10weeks,pct clomid.

any help/advice would be apreciated
thanks

**kingwilliam** · 09-05-2008, 07:37 AM

I did a T400 cycle back in the spring and it was awesome, but the post injection pain was pretty bad. I was basically limping around for 3 months......

My friend was using the same stuff and had very little soreness. He just started a new cycle with t400 and he is blending it with EQ and he said there is ZERO pain. So if you could get some EQ to dillute, then that may be a good idea.

i have also read about people simply dilluting it with a sterile oil, but that is only what I've read.

**VWbug66** · 09-05-2008, 08:39 AM

t400 is awesome...you dont need to spend extra cash on the eq to cut it, just get sum sterile oil..cut it with that and youll be one happy juicin mofo!!

**one8nine** · 09-05-2008, 10:58 AM

first off test 400 means nothing to us
test 400 is just 400mg/ml
it could be 400mg/ml test prop
it could be 400mg/ml test enanthate
it could be 400mg/ml sust type blend
we need to know esters

Originally Posted by Bigload

hi,
ive found a little info on TEST 400 but not to much, other then the pain that it causes....one of the guys i do weights with has been hitting test 400 and has been getting massive weight gains, im wanting to do a cycle,his knowledge is limited ...other then "it works" and to take some clomid at the end of the cycle.

400mg-800mg of test a week is good to start but we gotta know the esters to tell you injection times and pct start time
also clomid only is a crappy pct

my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/pct-post-cycle-therapy/354573-one8nines-opinion-pct-links-side-effect-control-too.html#post4111013

any advice on how to take this...should i stack it?? d.bols or anything else.
is it neccessary to add deca to the cycle for the pain and effectiveness...
or just take 1ml/week, for 10weeks,pct clomid.

there is no type of test you can take 1x a week
my guess is its long esters (2x a week shots, pct starts 2 weeks later)
or a long/short blend (shoot every day or atleast eod. pct starts 2 weeks later)
again, clomid only sucks

**LATS60** · 09-05-2008, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by one8nine

first off test 400 means nothing to us
test 400 is just 400mg/ml
it could be 400mg/ml test prop
it could be 400mg/ml test enanthate
it could be 400mg/ml sust type blend
we need to know esters

400mg-800mg of test a week is good to start but we gotta know the esters to tell you injection times and pct start time
also clomid only is a crappy pct

my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4111013

there is no type of test you can take 1x a week
my guess is its long esters (2x a week shots, pct starts 2 weeks later)
or a long/short blend (shoot every day or atleast eod. pct starts 2 weeks later)
again, clomid only sucks

Take an educated guess................

**VWbug66** · 09-05-2008, 12:59 PM

yeah, you hardly see , I havent, any single estered test @400mg/ml...t400 almost always means 4 different tests. I havent seen any single estered tests that KNOWN to everybody else as the famous 4 estered t400..

**one8nine** · 09-05-2008, 01:03 PM

ive seen it sust style, ive seen enan/cyp/decanoate ester blend, ive seen straight enan, straight decanoate ester, and straight undecanoate ester

**jstraw428** · 09-05-2008, 01:07 PM

have to agree with 189....i have seen so many T400 blends it is rediculous.....

another one is enan200/cyp200

**VWbug66** · 09-05-2008, 01:57 PM

wow, I havent...wasnt tryin to be a smartas 189..just putting my input in on the forum

**muhammad1185** · 09-05-2008, 04:27 PM

agree with 189,

**one8nine** · 09-05-2008, 06:02 PM

so whats in it bigload?

**Bigload** · 09-05-2008, 06:07 PM

thanks heaps for the info.....specially bout the pct 189,cheers. ill find out what what the ester blend is and post

**Bigload** · 09-05-2008, 06:11 PM

my m8 said its from thailand if that helps, just talked to him but he didnt know off hand, will have to catch up with him l8r to confirm

**generation_ss** · 09-05-2008, 06:21 PM

If it's the "Test 400" i'm thinking of.I did a 12 week cycle of it and i had really good gains.I did't feel the pain every one talks about just a lil soreness the next day...but my cousin said it hurt like hell and it would give him big knots where he injected.....we both got it the same time and from the same person...

**yzrider88k** · 09-05-2008, 06:58 PM

i took t400 wit eq and had barely any pain in the injection site. the eq would dilute the t400. i would stack it wit sum dbol tho like 3 weeks b4 u start the cycle. that was the best stack i ever took enjoy it!!

**kingwilliam** · 09-05-2008, 07:35 PM

The T400 I used was 200 enan and 200 cyp...

**generation_ss** · 09-06-2008, 07:53 PM

The Test 400 i used was "Propionate of Testosterone 25mg Enathate of Testosterone188mg Cypionate of Testosterone 187mg Vehicle c.b.p. 1ml. "

**Mulciber** · 09-06-2008, 08:11 PM

used denkals t400 back in the day.. reason it came in a yellow and black box.. stung like a yellow jacket.

**LATS60** · 09-07-2008, 06:43 AM

You can shoot sust once wk, whoever says you can't is lacking in common sense.
I certainly would not take advice from someone who clearly cannot or will not see the logic, backed up by numerous studies.

**levityone** · 09-07-2008, 07:46 AM

i have test400 from univet, mexico, and its a blend of various esters like sust but totaling 400mg/ml

t.decanoate 200mg
t.isocaproate 30mg
t.fenylpropinate 40mg
t.cypionate 50mg
t.enanthate 50mg
t.propinate 30mg

good stuff!!! alone it hurts like a mutha, but stacked with another oil dilutes the pain.

**imsmall** · 09-07-2008, 11:35 AM

im on test 450 now and honestly i started at 180 ive been on for 10 weeks and now im 176 BUT ive been really watching my diet and hitting cardio ive lost alot of bf but have gotten way bigger especially up to strength gains are great , most people bulk heavy on it but i wanted more lean mass

**one8nine** · 09-07-2008, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by LATS60

You can shoot sust once wk, whoever says you can't is lacking in common sense.
I certainly would not take advice from someone who clearly cannot or will not see the logic, backed up by numerous studies.

studies done on hrt patients
so in replacing your natural levels its fine- the peaks and troughs will be minimal
this is great advice if he only wants to shoot 125mg-250mg a week max

but in steroid cycle dosages, no, not fine

**one8nine** · 09-07-2008, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by levityone

i have test400 from univet, mexico, and its a blend of various esters like sust but totaling 400mg/ml

t.decanoate 200mg
t.isocaproate 30mg
t.fenylpropinate 40mg
t.cypionate 50mg
t.enanthate 50mg
t.propinate 30mg

good stuff!!! alone it hurts like a mutha, but stacked with another oil dilutes the pain.

phenylpropionate

**LATS60** · 09-09-2008, 06:05 AM

Originally Posted by one8nine

studies done on hrt patients
so in replacing your natural levels its fine- the peaks and troughs will be minimal
this is great advice if he only wants to shoot 125mg-250mg a week max

but in steroid cycle dosages, no, not fine

NO, not studies done on hrt patients, i honestly thought you above all ppl had the intelligence to see reason. What friggin peaks and troughs? you don't get peaks and troughs shooting sust 1xwk, thats basic compound knowledge.

It's a bloody logarithmic curve for gods sake.

**jstraw428** · 09-09-2008, 12:33 PM

^^^^^you would totally have peaks and trough, because of the different esters.....You would constantly have the multiple esters breaking down at there specific half life.....this alone, spells ups and downs.....

**LATS60** · 09-09-2008, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by jstraw428

^^^^^you would totally have peaks and trough, because of the different esters.....You would constantly have the multiple esters breaking down at there specific half life.....this alone, spells ups and downs.....

Don't talk rubbish, check a graph for christ sake.
You obviously don't have any idea of how a multi estered test works.
Try google, amd type in pharmacokinetics of sustanon , that should tell you how this compound works, even multi estered tests produce a logarithmic curve because the esters all release their test at THE SAME TIME, they just last for different durations of time.

**jstraw428** · 09-09-2008, 04:40 PM

then answer me this.....why are the sides usually worse from injecting sust once a week, than when you inject on a more frequent basis......i highly doubt it is just bad luck...maybe you are just the exception to the rule......

But i really dont care one way or the other....I think multi ester test sucks anyway....

**Bigload** · 09-09-2008, 05:50 PM

hi, finally have da eters
test-400
testosterone propionate 25mg
testosterone cypionate 187mg
testosterone enanthate 188mg

what sort of injection time and when do you think i should start the pct after?
cheers