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[razmataz12]

hi guys new to this forum just wudering if anybody could give me a few pointers im 27 5,11 203pounds quite low bf being training about 8 years and just planning my 4th cycle and would realy apprciate any feed back or advise
wk 1-12 750mg sust split 3shots
wk 1-10 600mg deca split 3shots mixed with sust
wk 1-4 30mg dianabol split morn,afternoon,evening
wk 15-16 40mg nolva ed + 100mg clomid ed
wk 17-18 20mg nolva ed + 50mg clomid ed
wk 1-12 0.5 arimidex ed
letro on hand for gyno

could anybody advise if i need hcg for my pct if so what wk should it start and for what duration or should i use it throughout the cycle also would it be ok to use clen on pct any help or advise would be realy apprciated cheers guys

[razmataz12]

anybody?

[redz]

You look to have a pretty decent layout but I would sugest adding an ai to your pct like aromasin or if you already have it arimidex. Also You may want to get caber but its not 100% needed as you do have the letro just in case. Also Deca shuts you down hard so HCG would help speed up recovery.

When you say 3 shots per week how are you laying that out? eod would be 3.5 shots per week.

[razmataz12]

thanks for the reply mate shots will have to be mon,wed,fri as wrk away wk ends and cant take it with me so will have to do early hrs mon and late fri nite what wk would u suggest i start the hcg and for how long and dosage ive read a few people like to use it throughout but not sure if there just playing it extrasafe or weather it is actualy important also do u know if using clen on pct affects the pct in anyway thanks again for your reply

[redz]

I have never used clen so i cant really advise there. I use hcg for 2-3 weeks leading up to my pct to get thigns going. 250-500ius is the average dose I hear people using.

["Maximus"]

wk 1-12 750mg sust split 3shots
wk 1-10 600mg deca split 3shots mixed with sust
wk 1-4 30mg dianabol split morn,afternoon,evening
wk 15-16 40mg nolva ed + 100mg clomid ed
wk 17-18 20mg nolva ed + 50mg clomid ed
wk 1-12 0.5 arimidex ed
letro on hand for gyno

Add two more weeks of nolva to your PCT, like wks 15-18 -the pct protocol above- plus wks 19 and 20 of just nolva + clomid at 25mg.

I think your clomid dosage for weeks 15 and 16 is a bit too high! I would keep it as high as 50mg.

Yeah, run letro on cycle for Estro control, instead of arimidex. If I were you, I would get some Aromasin to run it on PCT.

hCG is not that necessary, but if you get it then use it for FASTER recovery... 2 weeks before cycle ends and 2 weeks into PCT.

[razmataz12]

so add an extra two wks 19-20 of nolva and clomid @20mg nolva and 25mg clomid
and replace arimidex with letro what dosage is best for letro throughout the cycle and do i still stop that on wk 12 or take it thru to start of pct? would it be ok to run hcg @500ius a wk from day of last test jab to start of nolva? ie the 3wk gap 12-15 cheers for your advice guys its much apprciatd

[esca_laid]

cycle looks good but adj ur pct. Id recommend to add HCG if possible also here is a link on dose and other info http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355725

Using what you got here is a good link to adj or just info http://www.anabolic-enhancement.com/...ead.php?t=4453


I have also seen pct that look like.

Day 1 HCG 2000 IU then 2times a week 500IU till done 5000IU total
Day 1 300mg Clomid Day 2-20 100mg Day 21-30 50mg
Day 1-10 20-40mg Nolva Day 11-20 20mg Nolva

Remember cortisol is also bad get some kind of cortisol blocker to help during pct and after pct is done. & Trib can help natural LH levels all up you would have a perfect PCT

[one8nine]

wk 1-12 750mg sust split 3shots

just do 1ml eod, dont take 2 days off
why do you want to use sust and not enan/cyp?

wk 1-10 600mg deca split 3shots mixed with sust

good

wk 1-4 30mg dianabol split morn,afternoon,evening

good

wk 15-16 40mg nolva ed + 100mg clomid ed
wk 17-18 20mg nolva ed + 50mg clomid ed

too much nolva
too much clomid
not enough AI

my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4111013

wk 1-12 0.5 arimidex ed
letro on hand for gyno

that will work okay but imo just run letro from the start cause of deca

could anybody advise if i need hcg for my pct if so what wk should it start and for what duration or should i use it throughout the cycle also would it be ok to use clen on pct any help or advise would be realy apprciated cheers guys

yes clen is okay anytime

hcg crash course
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4127466

clen FAQ
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=269240
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=117106

[redz]

I`m suprised 189 didnt rip apart the pct sugested by razmata

[razmataz12]

cheers for input 189 im using sust as always used it with great gains suppose im just sticking to what has worked for me in the past+very cheap and easy to get hold of here,thought gram a wk of test mite be bit to high for gains/sides ratio. so do u suggest dropping nolva to 20mg wk 15-16 and clomid to 50mg wk 15-16 and adding aromasin to the pct like 50mg ed do i need to taper the letro before pct ps thanks for the help

[WARMachine]

Yes you need to taper the Letro... As it causes a estrogen rebound...

Yes, add Aromasin to your PCT...

Are you getting HCG in your PCT as well?

[razmataz12]

was thinking about adding some hcg for 4wks 13-16 @500ius twice wk but not sure if this is right as so much conflicting information out there,would i taper the letro up to the day i start the nolva if usng hcg

[razmataz12]

ps what wks and dosage would you suggest for the aromasin on pct

[WARMachine]

aromasin 50mg ed

Youre gonna have to taper the letro reguardless if you use HCG...

I would use 250iu's 2xW... Thats juts me though, its really a personal preference...

[one8nine]

was thinking about adding some hcg for 4wks 13-16 @500ius twice wk but not sure if this is right as so much conflicting information out there,would i taper the letro up to the day i start the nolva if usng hcg

hcg crash course
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4127466

[one8nine]

ps what wks and dosage would you suggest for the aromasin on pct

my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4111013

[one8nine]

if you run letro at .25mg ed all through cycle, you can just stop it the day before pct as the nolva/aromasin will cover the rebound- no need to taper

[razmataz12]

cheers guys much apprciated