Cycle needing input from someone creative

[mick86]

Stats
Age: 22
Weight: 87kg
BF: around 14%
Cycle experience 2, more info and pics: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=335049

Hi and thanks for showing some interest,

My last cycle was

d-bol 30 mg per day 2 weeks
test e 500mg per week 12 weeks
deca 400mg per week 10 weeks

I went from early April until mid July and my last shot was on July 14th. I ran Aromasin and Tamoxifen (and various anti catabolic and cortisol/prolactin reducing supplements) from around August until now (5 weeks) and I will be finished my PCT tomorrow. I started finasteride 2months into the cycle and I'm still currently using it.

Ideally I want to squeeze in a bulk and a cut by early/mid summer (a little over 3 and a half months time) but I'm not sure how exactly to go about it or if it can be done. If I bulk with AAS then cut naturally to close to that I fear that I will probably loose a lot of my gains, on the other hand if I run AAS to bulk then shortly after that run AAS to cut if both cycles are long/suppressive that's going to shut me down pretty bad. I was considering running an 8 week bulk on AAS followed by a 4-6 week cut on AAS? Is that advisable? In previous cycles most my gains were in the first 1-2 months so a shorter bulking period seems logical anyway. As l as I have only been of cycle 7 weeks I should probably wait at least another 3 weeks before commencing (would wait 5 weeks if I had more time).

The other catch with my cycle is that I am going to avoid using any DHT derivatives/trenbolone due to my hair thinning on previous cycles. So taking into account what substances are at my disposal I have initially come up with the following, Its just an initial idea, I suspect that I am going to get because:

a) some of you think its vain to want to keep your hair
b) I mentioned insulin and haven't run many previous cycles and
c) It may be a very bad idea to run something like I'm mentioning + I still have a lot of research to do on the mentioned compounds.

I dont care about a),
I'll take on board what you say about b)
As for c) if I never asked then I'd never know + no point spending weeks researching if everyone says its a bad idea.

For my bulk I'm considering:
test e (with finasteride)
deca and or equipoise
maybe insulin (as gains are not dependent on DHT or estrogen)
(an AI or SERM run at a low dose thought out cycle to reduce bloating, not sure which one)

For my cut im considering:
clen and possibly T3
anavar or if I cant get it test prop (to prevent catabolism)

(Of course I'd run PCT and take various anti catabolic and cortisol/prolactin reducing supplements after the cycle)

If I go the test prop maybe i should keep going with the equipoise till the end as well. If I do that could it also be worth keeping the deca in, or even switching to NPP? So many options......I guess my main question is can I run a bulk/cut back to back like that or do I need to maintain for a bit in between?

All doses not yet to be decided. Thanks for any input

[one8nine]

imo you should do a dbouble banger.
with the right dosages, and a perfect diet you should build muscle and cut fat.
maybe-

i realize you want short cycles but that doesnt work with eq so ill throw up 2 opinions

long
1-15 test e
1-13 eq
1-13 deca
1-8 var
add t3/clen in light dosages

short- i really like this one
1-8 test prop
1-7 npp (short ester deca if you dunno)
1-8 var
t3/clen

[mick86]

Thx 4 the input, that would actually be ideal, It would mean that I could take enough time off m my last cycle to be sure that I fully recover. I'm still willing to run long cycles, was forced to do a short bulk if I had to cut separately afterwards but if I do a lean bulk like you suggest then 15 weeks is fine.

On a side not I have read a few of your posts/guides lately including Anabolics: the Education for Application. NIce work, very informative.

[one8nine]

thanks bro