First Cycle

**JonesBoyy** · 09-07-2008, 04:31 AM

My first cycle on steroids , whats the best way to start off small so i can get the most gains with both oral as a kick start and injectable? and also what pht? etc!? everything ill need!?

cheers, james

**richtries** · 09-07-2008, 04:34 AM

read through the threads at the top of this page . . . you have to do your own research you wont get spoon fed on here.

**JonesBoyy** · 09-07-2008, 04:36 AM

yehh i have , the thing is ive read so much research i dont know whats true! and if its come from people who are on steroids then ill know more!

PT · 09-07-2008, 04:42 AM

the perfect first cycle for most is something on the lines of this

1-5 35mgs od d-bol ed
1-12 500mgs of test a week

10 days after last test injection start pct. pct usually consists of something on the lines of 25mgs of nolva ed for 4 weeks and 25mgs of aromasin ed for 4 weeks. i will need your stats and age to go any further

**JonesBoyy** · 09-07-2008, 05:00 AM

right ok then mate, thats helped alott!!

whats the list for stats and ill post up, thanks james!

**JonesBoyy** · 09-07-2008, 05:05 AM

5"11/6"0 140ish 18yo!

i dont really know my body fat percentage.

**lcstriker07** · 09-07-2008, 05:21 AM

post your diet including how much protien fat and carbs.

**Kale** · 09-07-2008, 05:38 AM

Originally Posted by PT

the perfect first cycle for most is something on the lines of this

1-5 35mgs od d-bol ed
1-12 500mgs of test a week

10 days after last test injection start pct. pct usually consists of something on the lines of 25mgs of nolva ed for 4 weeks and 25mgs of aromasin ed for 4 weeks. i will need your stats and age to go any further

You know PT I really think we should be pushing the dbol jump start more in the first cycle. I really dont see the sides from that combo being an issue

**JonesBoyy** · 09-07-2008, 05:45 AM

my diet usually consists of a shake a day, at 60G protein, then as breakfast a bowl of cereal and green tea. Chicken for lunch, usually a milkshake or drink before lunch to split it up! then about 5, ill have a drink depends, then usually something like steak,chicken,sausages with veg for lunch, inc dessert!

**Kale** · 09-07-2008, 05:50 AM

Thats not a good diet dude, this is what a bulking diet for you should look like taken from the Bulking Sticky

Meal 1: Pro/Carb

8 Egg Whites, 1 Scoop Of Whey Protein, 1 cup oatmeal

50g protein / 54g carbs / 5g fat

Meal 2: Pro/Fat

Lean Ground Beef, ¼ cup swiss cheese, green veggies

55g protein / 2g carbs / 20g fat

Meal 3: Pro/Carb

Chicken Breast, 1 and a half cup Brown Rice

55g protein / 64g carbs / 3g Fat
**Disclaimer: Meal 3 can be a pro/fat meal if you are ultra sensitive to carb intake.

Meal 4: Pro/Fat

2 Cans of Tuna, 1 Tbsp Full Fat Mayonnaise, Veggies

60g protein / 2g carbs / 13g Fat

Workout

Meal 5: PWO Nutrition

2 Scoops Whey Protein / 80g of Dextrose

40g protein / 80g carbs / 0g fat

Meal 6: PPWO

Boneless Skinless Chicken Breast, ½ cup Brown Rice (Measured Uncooked)

50g protein / 70g carbs / 3g fat

Meal 7: Pro/Fat

Lean Protein of your choice, 2 Tbsp Natural Peanut Butter
50g protein / 5g carbs / 18g fat

Meal 8: Before Bed

3 Scoops of Whey Protein, 1.5 Tbsp. Flax Seed Oil

60g protein / 3g carbs / 21g Fat

That turns into approximately 420 grams protein, 250 grams Carbs, and 83 grams of fat. This is roughly 3500 calories

**muhammad1185** · 09-07-2008, 06:41 AM

18 years old guys, bro ur too young, why dont you read up on bulking diets, and train hard, way to young for gear, youll have serious problems in the future if you decide to go ahead with it.

**JonesBoyy** · 09-07-2008, 08:52 AM

i know but its just awkward, thing about the diet, i cant no matter how hard i try have a diet like that. i mean i work 74hours a week! i cant hold down that diet no matter what, and ive got to how i am now naturally and if i train harder with roids and the diet im on ill get alot bigger.. thats all!

**redz** · 09-07-2008, 08:57 AM

Unfortunately steroids dont make you bigger if your diet still sucks. You will have very poor results if you cannot get your diet in check mean while 18 is far too young.

**JonesBoyy** · 09-07-2008, 11:45 AM

i know but i know people who are now massive even with the same diet as me! no matter what i cant change my diet.. i can try but i wont get much better, i just need a cycle that can work with the diet above as i wont be able to change it and i know its possible even with my diet!, help?

james

**Phate** · 09-07-2008, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by JonesBoyy

i know but i know people who are now massive even with the same diet as me! no matter what i cant change my diet.. i can try but i wont get much better, i just need a cycle that can work with the diet above as i wont be able to change it and i know its possible even with my diet!, help?

james

your logic is way off, you don't build a cycle that "will work" with your horrible diet and taxing work schedule, you build a diet that will help you make the best gains

you don't need to cycle, you need to take the money you would use for AS and put it towards food, then when you have time to workout properly(which is near impossible with that type of workload, trust me i know, i used to work 90hr/wk while going to high school) and diet properly then you can cycle, but you are wayyy too young and cycling right now could mess your body up for life

**JonesBoyy** · 09-07-2008, 11:55 AM

kk ok then mate, fair enough, ill wait till im about 23-24 then just go for it? but now atm im on nitrix,creatine and protein shakes.. what other supplements is there that can bulk me up quicker and just help me along, whilst i focus on my diet etc? just any advice i can use with my work and timing etc!... thanks alot for your help dudes!

**Manorexic** · 09-07-2008, 11:55 AM

Good advice Phate....

**Phate** · 09-07-2008, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by JonesBoyy

kk ok then mate, fair enough, ill wait till im about 23-24 then just go for it? but now atm im on nitrix,creatine and protein shakes.. what other supplements is there that can bulk me up quicker and just help me along, whilst i focus on my diet etc? just any advice i can use with my work and timing etc!... thanks alot for your help dudes!

much better, you won't regret waiting

write down everything you eat today and how much and post in the diet and i'll help critique it

**DSM4Life** · 09-07-2008, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Kale

You know PT I really think we should be pushing the dbol jump start more in the first cycle. I really dont see the sides from that combo being an issue

Don't agree with this for a first cycle. Test only is best for a beginner.

**Phate** · 09-07-2008, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Kale

You know PT I really think we should be pushing the dbol jump start more in the first cycle. I really dont see the sides from that combo being an issue

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

Don't agree with this for a first cycle. Test only is best for a beginner.

whether to include dbol or not should be judged on a thread by thread basis

**DSM4Life** · 09-07-2008, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Phate

whether to include dbol or not should be judged on a thread by thread basis

Curious, how did you come up with this conclusion ?

**one8nine** · 09-07-2008, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

Don't agree with this for a first cycle. Test only is best for a beginner.

but the test takes 4-6 weeks to peak
so you get to experience dbol only at first then test only to finish

**one8nine** · 09-07-2008, 12:04 PM

read read read
but diet comes FIRST

diet
Diet help
http://forums.steroid.com/diet-nutrition/
http://www.steroid.com/diet.php

my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/pct-post-cycle-therapy/354573-one8nines-opinion-pct-links-side-effect-control-too.html#post4111013

Beginner Cycle Guide
Test beginner cycle info

my (one8nine's) starter pack
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=352741

tag team partner (phate's) starter pack
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355504

kale's starter pack
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=331179

**Phate** · 09-07-2008, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by DSM4Life;417***5

And how did you come up with this conclusion ?

cause it's in between both of ya'll, lol

because whether or not dbol , or any kick for that, should be used is based off a risk vs. reward, which is essentially up to the thread starter, we can supply the fact and advise accordingly but saying that he can't take dbol is not correct because some people can use dbol to kickstart with no ill effects at all

it's all based on the individual

**DSM4Life** · 09-07-2008, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by one8nine;417***6

but the test takes 4-6 weeks to peak
so you get to experience dbol only at first then test only to finish

Listen, to just thrown in some dbol might sound harmless to you or someone who has been doing this for a while but for a beginner it could be. These guys have no experience using any of these compounds so they should be taking it slow. You say test takes 4-6 weeks to peak, who cares, then you wait 4-6 weeks. They need to see how their body reacts to these compounds before they start stacking.

Most of these guys dont even know how to inject correctly. BABY STEPS

I have preached the test only cycle for a beginner since i been here and nothing will change my mind.

**one8nine** · 09-07-2008, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

Listen, to just thrown in some dbol might sound harmless to you or someone who has been doing this for a while but for a beginner it could be. These guys have no experience using any of these compounds so they should be taking it slow. You say test takes 4-6 weeks to peak, who cares, then you wait 4-6 weeks. They need to see how their body reacts to these compounds before they start stacking.

Most of these guys dont even know how to inject correctly. BABY STEPS

I have preached the test only cycle for a beginner since i been here and nothing will change my mind.

well then, listen.
well have to agree to disagree.

imo its not much of a "stack" if theyre not peaked at the same time.

are you implying that dbol is more harsh than test e?
the beauty of orals is if the user doesnt react in a positive manor, on average they have a 4, 8 or 12 hour active life

**DSM4Life** · 09-07-2008, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Phate

cause it's in between both of ya'll, lol

because whether or not dbol , or any kick for that, should be used is based off a risk vs. reward, which is essentially up to the thread starter, we can supply the fact and advise accordingly but saying that he can't take dbol is not correct because some people can use dbol to kickstart with no ill effects at all

it's all based on the individual

This is where you are wrong. Lets rewind

First thread

"My first cycle on steroids , whats the best way to start off small so i can get the most gains with both oral as a kick start and injectable? and also what pht? etc!? everything ill need!?"

He even says, "i want to start small."

Clearly we see this guys has NO experience what-so-ever. We always get a few guy that say, well use the search button, cause they are either tired as hell from answering the same question or they don't even know the answer themselves.

Then we have PT (not flaming just using this as an example)
He says

"1-5 35mgs od d-bol ed
1-12 500mgs of test a week "

So lets put this together. Guy asked for a cycle and PT gave it.
Now where is the education here ? Where was it even mentioned that most people might want to start off with just test ? Now this noob has it in his head that dbol and test is a good place to start. Why does it think this? because he was TOLD not educated.

There werent even any stats taken !
At this point we dont even know how long this guys been working out !

...shakes head.

**one8nine** · 09-07-2008, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

This is where you are wrong. Lets rewind

First thread

"My first cycle on steroids , whats the best way to start off small so i can get the most gains with both oral as a kick start and injectable? and also what pht? etc!? everything ill need!?"

He even says, "i want to start small."

Clearly we see this guys has NO experience what-so-ever. We always get a few guy that say, well use the search button, cause they are either tired as hell from answering the same question or they don't even know the answer themselves.

Then we have PT (not flaming just using this as an example)
He says

"1-5 35mgs od d-bol ed
1-12 500mgs of test a week "

So lets put this together. Guy asked for a cycle and PT gave it.
Now where is the education here ? Where was it even mentioned that most people might want to start off with just test ? Now this noob has it in his head that dbol and test is a good place to start. Why does it think this? because he was TOLD not educated.

There werent even any stats taken !
At this point we dont even know how long this guys been working out !

...shakes head.

thats why i posted starter packs

good call on stats

age
height
weight
bf%
diet summary/# meals per day
years lifting / workout split
cycle experience
pct/estrogen control knowledge
goals (size/cut/strength/speed etc...)

**DSM4Life** · 09-07-2008, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by one8nine

thats why i posted starter packs

good call on stats

age
height
weight
bf%
diet summary/# meals per day
years lifting / workout split
cycle experience
pct/estrogen control knowledge
goals (size/cut/strength/speed etc...)

I think a lot of us forget what it was like going over to the dark side. I remember my first shot , my hands were shaking so much i had to have my buddy stick me. We laugh about it now but this guy is that kid with shaking hands. I dont think there is any reason to push these new guys any harder then you would a family member.

**one8nine** · 09-07-2008, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

I think a lot of us forget what it was like going over to the dark side. I remember my first shot , my hands were shaking so much i had to have my buddy stick me. We laugh about it now but this guy is that kid with shaking hands. I dont think there is any reason to push these new guys any harder then you would a family member.

i dunno i had no problem i was excited needles dont scare me, i was so pumped and excited

**JonesBoyy** · 09-12-2008, 09:08 AM

18
5"11/6"0
10 stone
dont know, about 10%
3-4 meals per day, i know the diets not great but still
2 years gym, 1 year hard training
non.
not much!
Want to bulk alot more, so im healthy yet also ripped and trained well!

i want to know a good start cycle, u guys might not agree but i want to at least try my first cycle, if i dont want to ill stop, or something like that! i want to give it ago, even whilst improving my diet, and just see what comes of it!?

james

**JonesBoyy** · 09-12-2008, 04:26 PM

im gonna try dbol alone for 4 weeks, then if that goes well, ill try test aswell about 2 months after that as the 1st proper cycle

**Kale** · 09-12-2008, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by JonesBoyy

im gonna try dbol alone for 4 weeks, then if that goes well, ill try test aswell about 2 months after that as the 1st proper cycle

You really dont care what anyone here has to say do you. Why ask for advice and then just ignore it. You do what you want but you are making a mistake. Any gains you get from dbol only for 4 weeks you will lose, end of story , do not pass go. You are going to learn the hard way my friend

**bbuilder** · 09-12-2008, 06:06 PM

Not sure if anyone else has stated this yet, but you are a child. Why are you even thinking about doing gear?

READ................

Whats the right age to take steroids (GOOD READ)