First time user questions

[step_by_step]

First id just like to ask if it makes a difference if steroids are out of date...??

ive got deca durabolin 50 in one mill amps (Organon) and it says 2008-02... ?

Also some 1st cycle opinions and advice please...experienced users please feel free to comment and make suggestions

im 21yrs, 5,11 97kg training 2 yrs and my diet is good. High calories but clean.

20ml of Test Enanthate and 9 ml of Deca.. 60 tabs of proviron (20ml i think)

week1 monday 1ml test
week2 monday 1ml test wednesday 1 ml deca
week3 monday 1ml test wednesday 1 ml deca friday 1 ml test
week4 monday 1ml test wednesday 1 ml deca friday 1 ml test
week5 monday 1ml test wednesday 1 ml deca friday 1 ml test
week6 monday 1ml test wednesday 1 ml deca friday 1 ml test
week7 monday 1ml test wednesday 1 ml deca friday 1 ml test
week8 monday 1ml test wednesday 1 ml deca friday 1 ml test
week9 monday 1ml test wednesday 1 ml deca friday 1 ml test
week10 monday 1ml test wednesday 1 ml deca friday 1 ml test
week11 monday 1 ml test
week12 monday 1 ml test, start proviron 1 tab a day till all 60 are gone.....

For pct as well as takin proviron i will also be takin trib650, glutamine powder, magnesium and zinc..

I already take multivitamins, glucoseamine1500mg, trib650 and will continue to do so throughout the cycle.

Also possible injection sites?? Glute? ive done some reading but would also like some opinions. Thank you everyone for taking the time to read through this and for the advice xD

[peachfuzz]

bump

[GetTheRage]

One your too young and 2 thats a very poor setup cycle.
You honestly have no idea what you are doing and need alot more research.

[awms]

Well they put a date on things for a reason so I wouldnt shoot it...would you eat a can of beans that was a year and a half past the due date? prob not.

[CptAmericaX]

k long as they have been stored properly and uncealed gear is usualy good for a while after the experation it just depends on how out of date. But I was going to run similar cycle my first and just running test cyp was fine for me. I just gave my deca to some friends. But for pct I would put nolvadex in there. im on my 3rd week of pct and as far as the estrogen its been staying away and helped keeping the balance

[ninesecz]

I am guesing you got a deal on it because it was over the date of expiration? There are bunch of things wrong with your cycle! you shooting schedule is not correct and for a first cycle you do not want to use 2 compounds! Need to research some more because at 21 you are still alittle young. I know people at your age are going to use but if you do decide to use, u should have every but of knowledge you will need memorized in you head like it is automatic! My theory is if you are 21 on here asking for cycle advice you are not ready for a cycle!
You should know what compounds for a first cycle, what a good planned round of PCT is a nd your diet needs to be in good order long before you even think about cycling

[mouse78]

ok buddy cycle is basicly ok but i would advise you to keep it at 250mg of test because your just a beginner and that would be plenty, mix the test with the deca in 1 serynge no use in stabbing yourself all week long.

Proviron in pct is useless buddy, stick with chlomiphene or take some hcg that will be enough.

[ninesecz]

he is only planning on shooting the test and Deca 1X per week. it should be shot E 3.5 D to keep levels more constant and Deca is not needed for a first cycle

[RussianMMA]

dates should be mondays and thursdays or tuesdays n fridays

on each injection date you should do both test n deca not 1 by 1 or just do both and inject weakly test n deca both have long life.

expired is untrusted IMO

dont forget your fish oil

[Big]

dates should be mondays and thursdays or tuesdays n fridays

yeah stay away from Wednesday and Saturday lol.
funny that you're asking advice on your first cycle here:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=393768

but giving steroid advice already...

[sigman roid]

yeah stay away from Wednesday and Saturday lol.
funny that you're asking advice on your first cycle here:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=393768

but giving steroid advice already...

big your a funny guy LOL

[Dukkit]

ive never done steroids

but i like to give advice

[sigman roid]

Whats wrong with not knowing your own shit and giving advice?

Dancer like the avi bro looking good

[RussianMMA]

yeah stay away from Wednesday and Saturday lol.
funny that you're asking advice on your first cycle here:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=393768

but giving steroid advice already...

did research for several months before even making a post so clarify my last question so i consider my self well educated certain areas of this subject and i floated around mondays/tuesdays to stay around his schedule.

[sigman roid]

ive never done steroids

but i like to give advice

wait are you and dancer related you look the same..LOL

[CaliPhotog]

wait are you and dancer related you look the same..LOL

LOL Funny stuff!

[Big]

did research for several months before even making a post so clarify my last question so i consider my self well educated certain areas of this subject and i floated around mondays/tuesdays to stay around his schedule.

I'm just pulling your chain bro, it's all good.

[RussianMMA]

I'm just pulling your chain bro, it's all good.

i know im not getting defensive just throwing it out there to avoid doubt heh wouldnt want the guy to think im blowing smoke

[Dukkit]

wait are you and dancer related you look the same..LOL

twins

im the male. hes the female

[step_by_step]

k long as they have been stored properly and uncealed gear is usualy good for a while after the experation it just depends on how out of date. But I was going to run similar cycle my first and just running test cyp was fine for me. I just gave my deca to some friends. But for pct I would put nolvadex in there. im on my 3rd week of pct and as far as the estrogen its been staying away and helped keeping the balance

yeah all the labels are in place, packadging is undamaged everything looks fine.. except for the fact that the expiry date is 2008-02??? lol i mean will it be less effective or do i run a risk actullay using the stuff??

[CptAmericaX]

It would be less potent from what I have researched and it might seperate on you easly. But Ive never had a problem with it either.depending on your source you could make a formal complaint and if they are a good source you could get new gear.

[step_by_step]

ok buddy cycle is basicly ok but i would advise you to keep it at 250mg of test because your just a beginner and that would be plenty, mix the test with the deca in 1 serynge no use in stabbing yourself all week long.

Proviron in pct is useless buddy, stick with chlomiphene or take some hcg that will be enough.

Thanks for the advice..but i do have some questions. I originally intended on running 1 ml test and 1ml deca but in the previous thread and i got feedback saying thats not enough test? and that beginers generally run 2 ml (500mg) per week. And now ive gotten the extra 10 ml bottle and im being told thats too much..? I was planning on running test enanthate 2ml a week and introducing deca50 2nd or 3rd week at 1ml so all up test would be at 550mg?

Also ive been told that proviron prevents gyno from appearing in the first place (aromatization or something) therefore there is no need for anti e such as nolvadex. And that it will help in pct such as leveling out my natural test levels and so on...

Please anyone correct me if im wrong with any of this thats why im on here cos i want to learn but im gettin varied feedback first off... and some is from people that dont even use please EXPERIENCED USERS ONLY!!!!

[step_by_step]

thanks for the help man i did get it off a friend which i have known for a while but he in turn got it off another guy.. so il try chase it up...in your first reply u said a certain amount of time its still okay?? u have a rough idea? i mean the liquid looks ok, little thick, thicker than my test..and it looks as if its never been taken out of the packadge

[step_by_step]

he is only planning on shooting the test and Deca 1X per week. it should be shot E 3.5 D to keep levels more constant and Deca is not needed for a first cycle

Thanks for the reply... i uderstand that deca is not neccesary in a first cycle as test should be enough, and it will be harder to tell where side effects are coming from if they do occur if your are stacking more than one compound and so on...but this is the reason why i chose to include deca..if u think its a bad idea or if im wrong please let me know.. . . .

ive been training flat our for aprox 2yrs up until march, i slipped a disc in my lower back doing deadlifts (not poor technique, overtrained after legs day) and have been havin problems with it ever since.. ive seen a doctor, physio and a chiropractor and il tell u something..all they want is YOUR MONEY!!! lol..but they have done absolutely nothin to help, the information theyve provided i was already aware of regarding stretches and exercises which i had read up on.. now, il take a few weeks of, little swimming etc.. my back will get better and il start training again with light weights and build it back up...it will be going well and now not once but twice ive strained it since, (training middle back obviously) and am back to square one again..now for the 3rd time.. im also gettin deppressed lol i just want to train.......

Ive read on the internet and have heard from a few sources (dont know how reliable thats why im on here) that deca will not just help relieve the pain but also strengthen my back and abolish the problem..would u agree with this?? I understand that i run a risk of further injury because i wouldnt feel the pain and would just keep going heavier and heavier and inflict more damage so i would have to be carfeful, however do u think that this is correct?????

This is what has prompted me to do a cycle in the first place..apart from the fact of always being interested and the fact of putting on gains, i value the fact that it could fix my back?

and i dont plan on doing a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or 5th cycle..just this one off to give me a bit of a kick in the ass, bit of a boost, regain my losses due to lack of weight training and to help my recovery...

That why i wanted to stack deca with test enanthate, and not try just test this cycle, then move on to another compound next cycle and so forth... . .

Thanks again for your help and please feel free to make suggestions or disagree.