Starting PCT and thinking about next cycle

**Gekko101** · 08-02-2009, 06:20 AM

Hi,

I'm now ending my first test cycle (2nd cycle in my life) which was 14weeks of sust (first 250mg's/w then 500mg's/w) and some dbol along. After that I switched to Propionate for 2 weeks and now I'm gonna go OFF!

Some photos/feedback about my cycle if someone is interested:
Progress photos (Natural -> and before/after test)

To the point, in my area and country there is absolutely no Clomid or HCG available at these times, I have tried to look for it very hard before cycle, during it and still... I have 80x 20mg Nolvadex for PCT.

Any tips and advices, to recover best as possible in this situation.

I also have ~15x 10mg Dbols left, I'm wondering if I should add 10mg dbol in the morning for the first 1-2weeks of PCT to help as anti-catabolic compound to maintain some strength and help over the worse time of PCT? as that amount should do no big harm for the recovery...? Some say that would be good, some say it's crazy. Wise opinions would be appreciated?

I'm thinking about 40mg's of Nolva for first 1 or 2 weeks in day, and then 20mg's for 2-3weeks more. Correct?

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Also already thinking about next cycle of cooz, this test cycle did not give me actually all I did expect, compared to the health risks it includes. Risks are fine, if the gains are massive, but u know..

I'm thinking about some mild cycle for autumn after PCT and some time off, to help keeping motivated and not to loose all strentgth and muscle.

Anavar , maybe? I'm interested about that compound as it seems to be very mild and non-toxic compound compared to others, it doesn't have DHT / Estrogen related sides which is very good, but it might help keeping motivated, and having some more strentgh and getting more cut / gaining quality gains. Correct? Also it's not so bad for HPTA so my body wouldn't be under such a big stress so soon after this cycle.

Any tips, opininions? As test gave me pretty mild gains and changes, is Anavar too mild drug to do absolutely anything for me? Waste of money?

Anavar costs around xxx$ of 100x10mg tabs here in my country, so it's very expensive. 50mg/d cycle of 8weeks would need 280 tabs

I think I'm not starting any stronger cycle until next year, and that time there has to be some more anabolic compound included along test, for me test-only didn't do wonders actually.

Oh, some stats:
Height 187cm's
Weight 100kg (~200lbs)
Age: 23 (soon 24)
Training experience: 7years, 6 years 100% naturally.
Workout program: Anabolic workout from steroid .com site
Diet: Pretty much like in the "how to bulk clean" topic of this forum.

**c-Z** · 08-02-2009, 07:04 AM

Stop worrying about feeling like shit cause you will...... Just come off properly without shoving any more sh*t in your body. Why would you waste dbol by adding it for a week or two? Just get over the little drag stay positive.

Coming off last cycle... Was just shit... Felt like garbage..... In trying to stay positive I feel stronger then I was on cycle. My lifts are still continuing to strengthen.But i'm beat once I'm done... Only down fall......

End your cycle how you planned it. Start your pct... Keep up the food intake and keep on what you can keep on. And maintain until your next.

**Gekko101** · 08-02-2009, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by c-Z

Stop worrying about feeling like shit cause you will...... Just come off properly without shoving any more sh*t in your body. Why would you waste dbol by adding it for a week or two? Just get over the little drag stay positive.

Coming off last cycle... Was just shit... Felt like garbage..... In trying to stay positive I feel stronger then I was on cycle. My lifts are still continuing to strengthen.But i'm beat once I'm done... Only down fall......

End your cycle how you planned it. Start your pct... Keep up the food intake and keep on what you can keep on. And maintain until your next.

Thanks for encouragement, actually last time I cycled it was dbol only, and I kept most of the gains and strength pretty well for several months after it, but when I did diet my weight down as natural, everything went wrong. I lost almost all my muscles, and strength.

So I guess a real diet is not supposed to be done without drugs, if you have gained some of your muscles with drugs.

But I do not take prop injection today anymore, it's time to come off and I just ate my first 20mg of nolva, tomorrow 40mg's and so on.

About those dbols, I just have around 15x 10mg pills I don't have any use for, those are from last cycle. Obviously those can't be used when I'm off, so I thought maybe they could be used during PCT if there would be any benefits from it.

**xo3et** · 08-02-2009, 08:09 AM

Come off all and run the PCT, Dbol still suppresses your natural test production.

**c-Z** · 08-02-2009, 09:13 AM

Like stated above about it suppressing natural test.... not worth it.

Save them for another cycle.....

Try and stay positive. Coming off I started to get that man this sucks feeling. And it dragged me down. Keep your head up stay strong.

***T-MOS*** · 08-02-2009, 09:28 AM

can NOT post any prices ! PLEASE EDIT OUT PRICES from your post.

Gains are determined by your DIET and TRAINING, so if you are unhappy with what you gained in that cycle, then I would look to correcting your diet and training FIRST!!

**Gekko101** · 08-02-2009, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by T-MOS

can NOT post any prices ! PLEASE EDIT OUT PRICES from your post.

Gains are determined by your DIET and TRAINING, so if you are unhappy with what you gained in that cycle, then I would look to correcting your diet and training FIRST!!

Ok I can do that. But I live in totally other country in EU so I thought it doesn't matter mentioning prices.

Yes, everything is about training and diet, but those are pretty well handled as mentioned, the workout program from this site should be good basic program, and same with diet.

Of course amount of calorie intake is another thing, but as I didn't get cut and instead got some more fat on my waist, I must have been eating enough.

I just guess test only does not do anything radical in 3-4months period. I may be wrong, but it seems like that in this case.

**Sauced_Up** · 08-02-2009, 05:33 PM

dude.....

Not trying to be an a$$ but looking at the pics from your last cycle which was 14 weeks of test, I dont see any real difference in either pics

You should have put on 20+lbs easily, and there would be a very noticeable change in the way your body looks

**hankdiesel** · 08-02-2009, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by c-Z

Stop worrying about feeling like shit cause you will...... Just come off properly without shoving any more sh*t in your body. Why would you waste dbol by adding it for a week or two? Just get over the little drag stay positive.

Coming off last cycle... Was just shit... Felt like garbage..... In trying to stay positive I feel stronger then I was on cycle. My lifts are still continuing to strengthen.But i'm beat once I'm done... Only down fall......

End your cycle how you planned it. Start your pct... Keep up the food intake and keep on what you can keep on. And maintain until your next.

I don't mean to hijack but what was your pct for your last cycle c-Z? I'm running hcg as a pre pct right now. This is my first time running hcg. I'm looking forward to a smooth pct and keeping a lot of gains without a lot of the "poor me's".

**Gekko101** · 08-03-2009, 04:39 AM

Originally Posted by Sauced_Up

dude.....

Not trying to be an a$$ but looking at the pics from your last cycle which was 14 weeks of test, I dont see any real difference in either pics

You should have put on 20+lbs easily, and there would be a very noticeable change in the way your body looks

That's what I've been wondering too, I noticed some changes like in delts, rear delts specially etc. but my body looks are the same. Actually, if we are looking these two photos below, first and before test, and 2nd after 16weeks, there is nothing difference to be seen except hairyness which came from test

I'm somehow bigger as many t-shirts are getting very tight etc. but my body shape just looks 100% like it did before.

Photo1 / Photo2

Actually, I gained 20lbs in that cycle but those gains came almost in the first 6weeks or something so it's mostly water retention, my hand is almost 1" bigger too. But still looking the same

I find out very strange, as I sure do eat pretty properly, good meat and stuff, and I eat every 2-3hours. If I didnt' gain, I should have got more cut, but neither one happened actually.

My workout should be in very good shape also, tried few different basic programs and doing some pretty good strength increases, but not in size so much. Last 1-2months I've been training with this anabolic workout from steroid .com website, I feel like I'm getting smaller with this program, than I did with my 2split program where I did 4 exercises in week, 2times each msucle group in week.

Last year the d-bol cycle gave me very radical gains, and pretty much of it stayed as well, but I was very high at BF% that time too. This time gear was organon sust for 14weeks and then 1-2weeks of test propionate , the organon sust should have been good stuff too as lots of my friends have gained pretty good with that same stuff.

Any opinions and advices would be appreciated.

**Gekko101** · 08-03-2009, 09:46 AM

Anyone have opinions about that Anavar thing for my next cycle? What do u think? Is it total loss of money if Test didn't do anything too radical, or could it be that other drugs work differently?

I tested 2days of tbol during last cycle and that gave me very high heart beat and weird feeling, same thing with deca , I don't know if that means that those would have been working very well but because of those sides I didn't try it more than that.

I added 2 more photos in the photo topic, in different lighting it can be seen better if there is some gain or not.

Photo1 / Photo2