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Deca or Tren: which one shut u down the most and what pct program did u follow to regain your testostrone level back to normal?? Did u consider the trial worth or not? help me out make a better decision before i use one of these unprescriptive drugs with cypionate for a based. thanks
Tren shuts you down harder...
Go with the deca. Fewer sides to have to worry about.
I personally stay away from Tren.
How many cycles have you done in the past?
just 2 cycles, what pct help u after doing a tren cycle??
Tren shuts you down hard,but its kinda worth it. Everything will shut you down eventually so why dont get the best results out of it. A moderate test cycle shuts me down just as much,and recovery were about the same.
Thanks...what pct helps the most with a tren cycle?Quote:
Originally Posted by omna82
What did you run those 2 cycles?Quote:
Originally Posted by SG2009
Both shut you down, tren does have more sides IMHO but both are 19nors which shut you down hard.
I'd also go with deca before using tren. Save that for later. How old are you bro?
you can only be completely shut down, you can't go beyond that, and both would shut you down completely early in the cycle. it would not be accurate to say you would be more shut down at the end of cycle with either, either way your just completely shut down.
Not that it says much but I hear more complaints of people having recovery problems with deca though that may be because more people use deca I`m not sure myself. I love Tren.
that's why i exactly asked the question in the first place: alot of mixed message.
I'm 29 by the way and will be 30 in few months :-)
there are mixed messages on a lot of things, but the fact is it's physically impossible to be more than completely shut down, and both deca and tren will completely shut you down.
so u saying from your experience or in general both deca or tren will "equally" shut u down completely as the other, is that correct? if so what pct helps the most to battle testicular atrophy from your personal experience, thanks for the info.
I'm saying both tren and deca will completely suppress your natural testosterone production, which is what the phrase "shut down" refers to.
To "battle testicular atrophy" I would use HCG on cycle.
i was curious cuz i read "getting a GED" as your location. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by SG2009
True! And when running tren with test some experience a major increase in libido where as they usually do not with deca and test.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big
tren shut me down hard. I couldn't even get my dic.k up at times and test was the only thing that saved me. Im on PCT now and barely getting back to normal.
Exactly. I was going to compare it to a girl saying she is a little pregnant or partially dead. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Big
Shut down is shut down.
often times it's the pgr or est that affects people, bromo or caber helps in those situations. everyone is different, really you just have to experiment a bit with different cycles to find out what works best for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by firmechicano831
Shut down is shut down, Listen to Big and Ronnie they know.
It's all the same. Run test with it of coarse and maybe some hcg if you're worried about it.
Totally agree about the deca part, never used tren yet. Im taking 500mg test enth/cyp week and 450mg deca week. I was taking 100mg proviron ed and my libido was great! Now ive stopped the proviron and my libido is whatever, i guess average or a **** hair below average. Nothing like when i did test only cycles, wow! My libido was 10x higher with test only cycles compared to now ith deca thats for sure! And its not cus of prolac or estro sides, those are all covered!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowland
Here is how odd mine body is:
Cycle # 2:
Weeks 1-12: 700mg of Test C
Weeks 1-10: 600mg Deca
**COMPLETELY shut down towards the end of the cycle
Cycle # 3
Weeks 1-8: 75mg Tren A ED
Weeks 1-10: 250mg Test C
***DID NOT SHUT DOWN AT ALL- SEX DRIVE WAS GREAT
.....does not get much more bizarre than that.
Why? you dont have to take more test than deca, that is a myth. Maybe you took to much test and it turned into estrogen and shut you down? More test is not always better. Everyone seems to have a different sweet spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by ******
you are right my friend, thats pretty much what I was getting at. A lot of test shuts me down pretty quickly, where as a low dose with a 19nor gives me a great sex drive. It just sucks trying to bulk on only 250mg of Cyp as your base.Quote:
Originally Posted by lovbyts
Adjust it up. It seems for a lot of people 500 seems to be the sweet spot and maybe a little AI would help.Quote:
Originally Posted by ******
Thanks for the suggestion. I will take it into consideration. When I ran my first cycle (500mg Test E/10 weeks) everything was fine. 500 might be the lucky number.Quote:
Originally Posted by lovbyts
Some great info here. Estrogen to can shut you down,I didnt think about that. So an ai might help? Thats good to know. I must find my sweet spot for test first.
It's not accurate to say that estrogen can shut you down, we are to some degree skewing terms associated with with these issues. The presence of the synthetic hormones we are injecting are recognized by the body as those hormones, and when more than enough is present the body sees no need to produce more and "shuts down" production of these hormones, in this case testosterone. The body strives to keep a natural balance of hormone levels, so in the presence of what appears to be elevated testosterone, more estrogen, etc can be expected. It's these fluctuations in hormone levels that lead to a variety of unwanted side effects.
Did u use HCG before or after cycle and at what dosage and for how long or weeks?Quote:
Originally Posted by Big
I like HCG on cycle, I like 500iu/e5d, but there are many protocols that work.
by on cycle, do u mean throughout the cycle ? and what the heck is iu? what unit of measurement is that? thanks
yes throughout the cycle, stopping before pct and iu is "International Unit", it's how HCG is measured (among other things)