Judging by my physique.....is it too early?

[Wayacrucis]

This is worth about 2 years of lifting....diet has been pretty good for about 16 months. Stats are 6'0, 200lbish give or take. Evidently I'm not at my genetic limit, but I'm just curious if I were to run a test e or sustanon cycle + D-bol how would I end up looking after the cycle, given proper diet + trainning. I havn't touched any sort of gear or ph yet..... Just wanted to know the forums opinion on whether its WAYYYY too early and would also appreciate result estimations. Thanks for the input.

[urbanbody]

what's your age?

[Wayacrucis]

what's your age?

Turning 23 in 18 days.

[Big]

a bit hard to tell from those pics, but not bad so far for a natural base.

[urbanbody]

You seem ok to me. I would do Test enanthate 500mg week. Seems solid. But honestly its up to you to determine this. We are def here to help you though.

[TITANIUM]

Two more years and you'll be ready.

Solid foundation.

Keep up the hard work bro.

Best

T

[Wayacrucis]

Thanks for the input guys, think I'll wait another month or 2 and run a simple cycle.

[The Deuce]

You seem ok to me. I would do Test enanthate 500mg week.

HERE WE GO AGAIN !!! Wow, do any of you have a mind of your own, stop reading things on the internet and copying and pasting... I think TESTOSTERONE should be administered by means of examining a blood test result... REMEMBER.. 500mgs of TEST ENAN.. isnt 500mgs of Test.

I really need to learn to stay out of the Q&A section.. people just don't have a mind of their own...

[Ashop]

Turning 23 in 18 days.

Have you ever checked your natural hormone levels to see where you currently stand?

[PC650]

two more years of solid training and nutrition and youll be set bro

[Noles12]

HERE WE GO AGAIN !!! Wow, do any of you have a mind of your own, stop reading things on the internet and copying and pasting... I think TESTOSTERONE should be administered by means of examining a blood test result... REMEMBER.. 500mgs of TEST ENAN.. isnt 500mgs of Test.

I really need to learn to stay out of the Q&A section.. people just don't have a mind of their own...

Deuce do you have anything to support why you think running a high dosed cycle the first time around is good?

You preach about how bad it is for people to recommend a basic cycle but your only reasoning is because it doesnt equal 500 mgs of Test. No one is saying you have to have the number spot on but rather they recommend a basic cycle of Test E at 500 mgs knowing that it is equivalent because it is a well known beginners cycle.

You would love the other thread where a guy is running 1750 mgs/week of Test along with Tren and Dbol. Thats smart right?

Back to the Op i think you have done well but i think you could still improve naturally before starting. You are better off than many tough

[C-MaN]

Need to pose relaxed bro.... and trade in the thong for some boxers! ! Just joshin with ya mate, but on a serious note I would wait until you have read and studied about AAS for atleast six months to a year. Good Luck! And when it comes to your first cycle only you will know how you react to Test.. Some people like 500mg a week and some like more.. just personal preference.

[urbanbody]

HERE WE GO AGAIN !!! Wow, do any of you have a mind of your own, stop reading things on the internet and copying and pasting... I think TESTOSTERONE should be administered by means of examining a blood test result... REMEMBER.. 500mgs of TEST ENAN.. isnt 500mgs of Test.

I really need to learn to stay out of the Q&A section.. people just don't have a mind of their own...

Ya maybe you should stay out. If I was gonna copy and paste anything I could make it a lot bigger than that. And 500mgs is a good dose to see how his body reacts to test I FEEL. And all this information thats on the internet ya its called RESEARCHING loser

[MuscleScience]

Thanks for the input guys, think I'll wait another month or 2 and run a simple cycle.

I think you could stand to lose some BF first, Not that your that high or anything but maybe cutting down to 10-12%, which I think would be fairly easy for you relatively speaking. I dont know that is just me, Your build is very similar to mine as far as stats and I think you would look pretty jacked at 200lbs and 10% BF.

Best of Luck.

[Wayacrucis]

I think you could stand to lose some BF first, Not that your that high or anything but maybe cutting down to 10-12%, which I think would be fairly easy for you relatively speaking. I dont know that is just me, Your build is very similar to mine as far as stats and I think you would look pretty jacked at 200lbs and 10% BF.

Best of Luck.

Yea, I currently am trying to lose some BF. With college and all its very difficult to eat very clean. I get the protein in, but it doesn't always include very clean carbs. I'm sorta forced to keep the diet the same, but I've incorporated 20 minutes of low intensity cardio 3x a week, hopefully I can shed 2-3%.

Have you ever checked your natural hormone levels to see where you currently stand?

No I have not. Should I have this checked before beginning a cycle?

[LeroyB]

Since your a student I would first read this:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=332958 as well as every other thread up there in read.
Then come back to the forums with your questions. You WILL be glad you did.

[csmokingman]

not too early but your prolly best off waiting till you hit a plateau... prolly not what you want to hear or may chose to do but I think you'd be fine to go either way.

[mikey24]

The first thing you need to do is ditch the thongs bro!!!!!!cmon man g-strings are for women.hahahahahahahhaha

[lovbyts]

Thanks for the input guys, think I'll wait another month or 2 and run a simple cycle.

NO, dont listen to the other newbie, listen to the vets. You have a good base. That means you can build on what you have a LOT. Dont run a simple or any cycle yet. You will do more harm than good; really.

Keep up the work. Go read in the diet section and you will see a lot more gains and 100% keepable gains with zero negative side effects than using any type of gear.

Really there is a reason they/we say 25 is the minimum. No you are not different than anyone else because 100% of the under 25 crowd think they are different also. Be one of the very few smart ones who make the right decision and stay natural for a few more years.

Read all the post that get on here daily from kids who are having issues after or on cycle because they did not listen....Now think about how many dont ever post again after having problems becasue they are embarrassed to admit it. 90% I would bet.

[lovbyts]

not too early but your prolly best off waiting till you hit a plateau... prolly not what you want to hear or may chose to do but I think you'd be fine to go either way.

You have 20 post, you are in your 20s and already give other newbies cycle advice? PLEASE stop the madness.....

Have any of you read the stickies above???

I think we need to set it up so no one under 1000 post can GIVE advise and then it should still be monitored by the vets and if bad/poor advise is given like telling someone under 25 it's OK to cycle becasue YOU did it's grounds for being banned.....

[Necrosaro]

^Maybe not 1000 but possibly 500-750ish

[dec11]

^Maybe not 1000 but possibly 500-750ish

agreed, and everyones age shud be visible when the subscribe.

[dec11]

OP, you are doing very well, i would still wait at least another year if i was you, hit those legs hard with squats, deadlift will also up your mass and strength. keep the diet keyed in and peg away, u will be much happier if you do. good luck

[dec11]

not too early but your prolly best off waiting till you hit a plateau... prolly not what you want to hear or may chose to do but I think you'd be fine to go either way.

if id of taken gear everytime i plateau'd id of been on roids since i was 19, i managed plateaus naturally right up untill the age of 32, so i really dont think thts good advice mate

[Wayacrucis]

NO, dont listen to the other newbie, listen to the vets. You have a good base. That means you can build on what you have a LOT. Dont run a simple or any cycle yet. You will do more harm than good; really.

Keep up the work. Go read in the diet section and you will see a lot more gains and 100% keepable gains with zero negative side effects than using any type of gear.

Really there is a reason they/we say 25 is the minimum. No you are not different than anyone else because 100% of the under 25 crowd think they are different also. Be one of the very few smart ones who make the right decision and stay natural for a few more years.

Read all the post that get on here daily from kids who are having issues after or on cycle because they did not listen....Now think about how many dont ever post again after having problems becasue they are embarrassed to admit it. 90% I would bet.

Thanks for the compliments. Diet wise, I'm pretty sure I am doing well. Diet has been spot on for about 15 months. Average day looks as follows: (I didn't include carbs, because it honestly varies way too much. I often eat whole wheat bread, oats and rice since I'm on the go, I try to get some potatoes and yams in as much as I can though)

Morning 8 egg whites + two whole eggs

snack - 45g protein shake


lunch - 40-50g worth of protein from extra lean ground beef or chicken breast


Work out

45g Protein shake + fast absorbing carb meal

dinner - 40-50g worth of protein from chicken or extra lean ground beef

before bed - 40g of casein protein shake

I'm trying to make room, so I can have 4 whole food meals and 2 protein shakes, but atm the numbers are even

The first thing you need to do is ditch the thongs bro!!!!!!cmon man g-strings are for women.hahahahahahahhaha

This is very true , usually I got boxers, but w.e gotta have something for back up :x

[Bossman]

No offense, but you have a ways to go on building a natural base before you should use AAS.

What are you goals? Are you interested in competing in bodybuilding or powerlifting?

If you are interested in adding 10 lbs of lean mass and cutting down a bit, you can do that without AAS.

[dangerous dan]

I think you are doing well already mate, but just to be on the safe side id keep working natty, plus you have only been lifting for 2years so id stick at it a little longer natty, then CONSIDER use of AAS further down the line.

Good things come to those who wait

[corsa5000]

if i was you i would hit the gym hard for at least another year and a half - 2 years untill you hit a plateau, and youll know when that is believe me. If i could still gain weight like crazy without gear i wouldnt bother even thinking about it

[chuckt12345]

you need to be 35,, 275lbs 6% BF before you even sniff AAS,, what do you think this is a Steroids Forum?

[Narkissos]

You have 20 post, you are in your 20s and already give other newbies cycle advice? PLEASE stop the madness.....

Have any of you read the stickies above???

I think we need to set it up so no one under 1000 post can GIVE advise and then it should still be monitored by the vets and if bad/poor advise is given like telling someone under 25 it's OK to cycle becasue YOU did it's grounds for being banned.....

That's just ridiculous.

A load of the guys here with over 1k posts have no idea what they're talking about.

Don't like the advice? Say something about it.

[Narkissos]

No offense, but you have a ways to go on building a natural base before you should use AAS.

Agreed 100%

[Narkissos]

you need to be 35,, 275lbs 6% BF before you even sniff AAS,, what do you think this is a Steroids Forum?

[dec11]

if i was you i would hit the gym hard for at least another year and a half - 2 years untill you hit a plateau, and youll know when that is believe me. If i could still gain weight like crazy without gear i wouldnt bother even thinking about it

again, plateaus can be over come naturally, not an excuse for startn gear

[corsa5000]

again, plateaus can be over come naturally, not an excuse for startn gear

Agreed, but depending on your personal goals when you hit a huge plateau sometimes it can be the 'right' time to start on gear- for example if you want to be a future pro or something

[Chev]

you need to be 35,, 275lbs 6% BF before you even sniff AAS,, what do you think this is a Steroids Forum?

LOL!! Good stuff!

[JuicedCobra]

I think you need to practice the extremely strict diet that a Test cycle requires while just cycling some creatine and maybe NO2 with other OTC supplements.. Glutamine, Whey, etc.

You will see good gains w/o side effects and build a better base for if you ever decide to cycle test.

I say do that and wait till 25 as well as do the bloodwork before you cycle. And throughout of course.

Keep researching. I didn't do near enough research!