were i live there are 7 gyms within 15 -20 miles, most of the guys are and have been on the juice for a long period of time without stopping, some of the men are very competative people and 1 guy i know before competitions shoots some sort of oil in under his arm muscles to keep them blown out. i think its totally crazy. how can these men be on gear flat out and confirm with me that its ok to do so. i tell them about my 12 week courses and they say they never do courses