is there a way to determine if your natural test is normal without bloodwork?

**AlphaMaleDawg** · 12-29-2009, 02:40 PM

is there any way to have any idea without bloodwork? maybe if libido is strong again? or is bloodwork really the only way. be honest...

**MuscleScience** · 12-29-2009, 02:42 PM

Nope

**MuscleScience** · 12-29-2009, 02:43 PM

Wait, actually I think there is a saliva test now for testosterone levels ?

**AlphaMaleDawg** · 12-29-2009, 02:48 PM

wouldnt libido be a good indicator? and yes I heard there is a saliva test but its not entirely accurate apparently

**MuscleScience** · 12-29-2009, 02:51 PM

Increase in libido is a subjective finding. There is a mental component to libido as well. Where as a blood serum test would be and objective finding and one could know with a relatively high level of certainty that the values are correct.

**Critical Mass** · 12-29-2009, 02:52 PM

Libido is not a good indicator for high test levels. But its better than nothing.
Look into sleep pattern,bigger nuts and strenght and recovery also.

**Swifto** · 12-29-2009, 02:54 PM

An excellent reading of androgen output is whether you have an erection in the AM or not. I posted a study on this recently.

**AlphaMaleDawg** · 12-29-2009, 02:55 PM

do you remember the title of the thread so I can search it?

**Swifto** · 12-29-2009, 02:56 PM

But there seems to be differences in neuropsiological mechanisms when explaining nocturnal erections and erections from sexual thoughts. Noctural erections are exquisitively dependant on androgens, whilst other types of erections are less so. So "morning wood" (as you Americans put it) seems to be a good indication of androgen production or lack of, during PCT.

**Swifto** · 12-29-2009, 02:58 PM

When measuring labido there are ALOT of variables. Neuropsiological mechanisms, confidence, DHEA (important), pregnenolone, estrogen, prolactin, dopamine, testosterone , shbg etc...

**MuscleScience** · 12-29-2009, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

But there seems to be differences in neuropsiological mechanisms when explaining nocturnal erections and erections from sexual thoughts. Noctural erections are exquisitively dependant on androgens, whilst other types of erections are less so. So "morning wood" (as you Americans put it) seems to be a good indication of androgen production or lack of, during PCT.

Yes, but does that take into account if your laying next to a hot ass naked asian women in the mornings...

**AlphaMaleDawg** · 12-29-2009, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

When measuring labido there are ALOT of variables. Neuropsiological mechanisms, confidence, DHEA (important), pregnenolone, estrogen, prolactin, dopamine, testosterone, shbg etc...

is waking up with morning wood supposed to happen to all males if they have a normal level of testosterone ? I feel like this doesnt always happen to me. maybe if I jerk it the night before or something I dont

**Swifto** · 12-29-2009, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleScience

Yes, but does that take into account if your laying next to a hot ass naked asian women in the mornings...

Ha ha ha ha....

Asain! Pfft..

I'm all for blondes here in the UK!

**"DIRTY D" SANCHEZ** · 12-29-2009, 03:06 PM

Hey what about morning wood having to do with needing to take a pis.... Or is that just the case with every morning lol? Sounds stupid but i seem to get wood in the morning more prominently when i have to pis really bad? Could this also be a testosterone side effect?

**Swifto** · 12-29-2009, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by AlphaMaleDawg

is waking up with morning wood supposed to happen to all males if they have a normal level of testosterone? I feel like this doesnt always happen to me. maybe if I jerk it the night before or something I dont

If you do rise with a morning erection, its an indication of some (study doesnt say how much) androgen output. If you dont rise with an erection, then I'd say your endo T is low or below average.

You should really get BW done. Its fast and will tell you exactly whats up.

This company has a pretty solid reputation. I dont know how accurate there testing is. I get blood drawn and the tests come back 3-4 days later. The NHS in the UK do mine.

http://www.zrtlab.com/health-care-co...er-a-test.html

**AlphaMaleDawg** · 12-29-2009, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

If you do rise with a morning erection, its an indication of some (study doesnt say how much) androgen output. If you dont rise with an erection, then I'd say your endo T is low or below average.

You should really get BW done. Its fast and will tell you exactly whats up.

This company has a pretty solid reputation. I dont know how accurate there testing is. I get blood drawn and the tests come back 3-4 days later. The NHS in the UK do mine.

http://www.zrtlab.com/health-care-co...er-a-test.html

oh so its just a quick finger prick test? sucks how i have to wait 3-4 days for the result

edit: this looks like an order yourself kit only. do all doctors perform blood tests or do they have special clinics for that?

**Swifto** · 12-29-2009, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by AlphaMaleDawg

oh so its just a quick finger prick test? sucks how i have to wait 3-4 days for the result

Yes. I dont know how accurate that is. But I'm sure it is fairly.

I dont like or suggest saliva testing. Far too inaccurate IMHO. All the doctors and endo's I ask about it laugh.

**AlphaMaleDawg** · 12-29-2009, 03:20 PM

I would rather go see a doctor for this. I just don't know how to go about this and I havent been to a doctor in 6 years for even a chekup

**FranciscoG** · 12-29-2009, 03:21 PM

I believe blood is by far the best method.
Saliva is a method but not used often due to the fact that blood is more accurate.
Erections is an indicator, but keep in mind consistancy of the morning erections. If you have an erection in the morning only once a week that is a sign of a lacking labidio. There is also a supra physological issue with labido and erections.

Blood is the way to go.

I also forgot to add the presence of other issues will effect erections such as High BP, enzyme issues, and general ED due to other factors than stress.