What if your BF is still to high?

[First6]

So I have been working like mad for the last 3 months to get my BF% down. Started at 24% and I am now down to 17%. I just can't seem to break past this brick wall of 17%.
Spring is here, summer is coming....Soooo... what would happen if I jump the gun and cycle before I get it down any further?
Keep in mind my goal is to hit 12% and I don't want to screw that up long term... I still want to hit that goal!

[D7M]

You can certainly still cycle with 17% bf, but don't expect the AAS to do most of the work.

If you've hit a wall at 17% bf, I'd re-evaluate something: diet, training, cardio schedule, etc.

I think you can still cut PLENTY where you are at naturally.

What type of cycle were you thinking of running.

[RANA]

You need to recheck your diet.

[lovbyts]

You can certainly still cycle with 17% bf, but don't expect the AAS to do most of the work.

If you've hit a wall at 17% bf, I'd re-evaluate something: diet, training, cardio schedule, etc.

I think you can still cut PLENTY where you are at naturally.

What type of cycle were you thinking of running.

Hello!!! reality check. What fvckn wall. He has been working hard for 3 months? Try another 6 months and check back. WTF did it only take you 3 months to gain the weight? How long did it take you to get your BF up above where it should be. It will take a while to get it down and 3 months is nothing. Actually 3 months is only when it just barely starts to make a difference.

Stop looking for instant gratification. If this is really how you think then I can guarantee you wont be around here in another year unless you are asking questions about why you are still experiencing problems from your cycle.

I could go on and on but it's just stupid for people to complain or say they hit a wall after 3 fvckn months... I change up my routine about ever 3 months, 3 months is NOTHING .

[D7M]

Damn, kinda harsh there, LB.

[RANA]

Damn, kinda harsh there, LB.

I know, hell I got scared just reading it...

[First6]

lovbyts - re-read MY post. I was not complaining about it. I was simply asking a "what if" question. I have been working out for years. It is my diet that gets away from me and my body fat runs up. When I said I have been working like mad for 3 months I only meant that I have been strick on intake and done extra cardio (burning about 600-800 /day) My results have been great, I'm sure you would agree, but I have gotten to a point where it has stopped coming off. I know how to adjust to fix it... but that wasnt the question... I was asking about what I don't know and that is a cycle.. what would happen if I did it now.

To be more clear... I am not looking at a normal cycle.. I am on for life (almost no nat test) so I am talking about a blast cycle.

Thanks

[smiler]

Hello!!! reality check. What fvckn wall. He has been working hard for 3 months? Try another 6 months and check back. WTF did it only take you 3 months to gain the weight? How long did it take you to get your BF up above where it should be. It will take a while to get it down and 3 months is nothing. Actually 3 months is only when it just barely starts to make a difference.

Stop looking for instant gratification. If this is really how you think then I can guarantee you wont be around here in another year unless you are asking questions about why you are still experiencing problems from your cycle.

I could go on and on but it's just stupid for people to complain or say they hit a wall after 3 fvckn months... I change up my routine about ever 3 months, 3 months is NOTHING .

ouch... wheres the "lov" ? lol but i know i know. for some its easy. you guys ever watch "biggest loser"? dudes losing 100 lbs in 9 weeks.... awesome.

[smiler]

lovbyts - re-read MY post. I was not complaining about it. I was simply asking a "what if" question. I have been working out for years. It is my diet that gets away from me and my body fat runs up. When I said I have been working like mad for 3 months I only meant that I have been strick on intake and done extra cardio (burning about 600-800 /day) My results have been great, I'm sure you would agree, but I have gotten to a point where it has stopped coming off. I know how to adjust to fix it... but that wasnt the question... I was asking about what I don't know and that is a cycle.. what would happen if I did it now.

To be more clear... I am not looking at a normal cycle.. I am on for life (almost no nat test) so I am talking about a blast cycle.

Thanks

im an old guy to. if i were in your shoes...... yep! why not?

[First6]

Can anyone take a stab at the original question?
I still want to and will hit my goal.. but will it hurt me to run a blast now?
thanks.

Smiler - I think we posted at the same time... So you would do it? do you know how my bf% will be affected?

[D7M]

Can anyone take a stab at the original question?

You already got an answer, it just wasn't the one you were hoping for.

What's your diet like now, and what's your cardio schedule?

[RANA]

You already got an answer, it just wasn't the one you were hoping for.

What's your diet like now, and what's your cardio schedule?

D7M is right, too many people here tell us how their diet is spot on then when they post it, it clearly shows that their diet sucked

[Just2Big]

you might not be getting enuff calories. Now that your working out and exercising your body needs more calories per day. You might have to up your calories another 500-800 a day just to lose weight. I have had this problem myself. I had to add another.800-1000 cal a day and then I started losing weight again. You need calories to burn them.

[smiler]

Can anyone take a stab at the original question?
I still want to and will hit my goal.. but will it hurt me to run a blast now?
thanks.

Smiler - I think we posted at the same time... So you would do it? do you know how my bf% will be affected?

i know a few here will disagree with me but hell yes i would. 1st i would take the advice you got about your diet of course but i also would do what your calling a "blast" or call it a cycle whatever but yep i sure would. i would prolly change up my lifting routine too. less heavy days. work your ass off literally. if your doing the 6 to 10 sets blah blah blah maybe change it up and do your 20s. and...blast away! just my 2 cents bro but im sure imma hear it

[First6]

You already got an answer, it just wasn't the one you were hoping for.

What's your diet like now, and what's your cardio schedule?

D7M your right Bro. sorry about that. I got so distracted by the one response that flammed me that I totally overlooked your (and the other) response.

I'm just not sure what to do. I know i have to work for the results and I am doing that and I am doing for the long haul. I have made a life change, this is not just a little stint back on the workout wagon. I want to hit some goals that I have had for years and nothing is going to stop me from hitting them! So I really don't want to F this up.
Bottom line - Will blasting a cycle now hurt me or help me in the long run?

Stats:
36yrs
170 lbs
BF about 17 right now.
Total workout time - 9-10 yrs with 2 yrs off. restarted half a yr ago.
on test for life because of no nat test.
Diet - Not real bad but I will never claim it is great. It could improve a lot.
daily:
calories - 2100-2300
carbs - 250g-300g
fat - 30g-50g
protien -150g-250g
and I make sure I cover all the food groups for a good balance.
I keep track of every single thing I take in every single day. If you want you can see it here: http://dailyburn.com/nutrition?user=346241

Rana - My cardio schedule is 1 hr every day. NEVER skip it.

just2big - Yeah I went through that... but I'm past it now and I dont THINK its the problem right now.

Smiler - I love your answer i can't lie! lol.. Just don't know if I am gonna do it or not though.. I need to see some more opinions and advise from guys who have been here.

[j4ever41]

it will depend on your diet whether you are blasting are not,what i mean is if you are on a solid cutting diet you can blast/cycle and lose bf and retain/build muscle,if you really want someone to critique your diet you will have to break down your daily meal plan,its mostly diet whether on or off.

[lovbyts]

DM7, RNA your funny, first you say Im harsh then you agree with me. lol
I was actually being more harsh towards you guys than him, you have been around long enough to see this 1000s of times and know better.

It takes the body basically 90 days just to adjust to any new diet or routine, not days or a couple weeks. People who get discouraged after only a few weeks or a couple months need encouraged to just keep it up, not to change or try to add any chemicals. The true results are just around the corner.

Just like we preach people to learn to eat 6x a day. It takes about 90 days before your body gets use to that and you start to drop the fat. It's amazing when it happens and is well worth the wait. I have been eating like that for over 2 years now. I even eat when I wake up in the middle of the night. My biggest problem is gaining weight now. I do very little cardio and I am very vascular. If I did 1/2 the cardio most people did I would be RIPPED but Im waiting another month for that.

Lets keep making sure that for those FEW newbies who ask our advise and listen to us that what we tell them is not just what they want to hear but what is really most beneficial to them.

Keep up the work fellas.

[Reaver.]

You know, to lose fat safe and effectively, and to have a smaller chance of burning off muscle during a cut you wanna lose 1lb - 2lb a week, tops. Just keep at it bro, the weeks will fly by the less you think about it.

[lovbyts]

You know, to lose fat safe and effectively, and to have a smaller chance of burning off muscle during a cut you wanna lose 1lb - 2lb a week, tops. Just keep at it bro, the weeks will fly by the less you think about it.

VERY good point. I forgot to even mention that. Very true, if you loose to much to fast you are burning muscle also. Slow and steady is always better. Remember it's not a race but a marathon.

This is about a live style change, not a fad where like 90% of the people they get big (mostly water weight/bloat) for a few months or a year then when you see them 3, 4+ years down the road they look like fat slobs. You dont want to be that guy...

[gymnerd]

IDK man if your diet any training is up to scratch 100% you can make incredible difference in 3 months IMO but 24 down to 17 is pretty damn good if you ask me.

[First6]

Thanks guys.
Especially you Lovbyts. I'm glad you responded again. You have some wise words. I agree with you, I don't want to be "that guy". I am one that will listen - as you may suspect by now. I'm tired of not being happy with the shape I am in and like i said I Will meet my goals. I have only been eating 6 meals a day for about 2 months. I am going to trust you that the changes will come. I really hope they do I have been working hard and I am ready for it to really start showing.

Gymnerd. Thanks for the motivation! I thought I have done good so far and it feels good to have someone experienced say so to.

I think I just need to keep at it.

[gymnerd]

Thanks guys.
Especially you Lovbyts. I'm glad you responded again. You have some wise words. I agree with you, I don't want to be "that guy". I am one that will listen - as you may suspect by now. I'm tired of not being happy with the shape I am in and like i said I Will meet my goals. I have only been eating 6 meals a day for about 2 months. I am going to trust you that the changes will come. I really hope they do I have been working hard and I am ready for it to really start showing.

Gymnerd. Thanks for the motivation! I thought I have done good so far and it feels good to have someone experienced say so to.

I think I just need to keep at it.

Best advise I can give is post up exactly what you are eating in the diet section alot of times they can make little changes here and there that will make a big difference. I would definatly do that.

[First6]

Best advise I can give is post up exactly what you are eating in the diet section alot of times they can make little changes here and there that will make a big difference. I would definatly do that.

Okay. Here goes. I'm posting it up as soon as I am done with this post.
Be gentle!
No Screw that... tell me exactly what I should do! I want results!

[smiler]

Okay. Here goes. I'm posting it up as soon as I am done with this post.
Be gentle!
No Screw that... tell me exactly what I should do! I want results!

right on bro! an attitude like that, you will not fail!! i'd say good luck but no need. peace!

[lovbyts]

You will be happy with the results and more time that goes by and you see you keep making constant fat loss, muscle gains and you dont have the ups and downs of trying to find a shortcut you will more than satified. when you are ready to add a compound and also DONT over do it, keep it simple you will love that you make some more good gains and also able to keep them.

Once you do it a while and realize it's now your lifestyle and not a fad it's easy. You have made good gains so far, keep it up and enjoy.

[AlphaGenetics]

Run it. How long have you been stuck at 17% bf out of curiousity.

[RAG3]

To answer the original question which was what can happen if you take a cycle at 17% BF?: Being that your body fat is about 5% too high for an AAS Cycle you risk, and most likely will experience some nasty sides such as Gyno, high blood pressure, and severe acne. I personally would not want to deal with an 80% chance of experiencing severe side effects while on cycle, so i would not cycle until at I was at least 12-13% BF.

[sixxer]

If you've been eating below maintenance and doing excessive cardio for 3 months straight, you need a couple weeks off.

Eat at maintenance for at least a week, preferably two, then get back to dieting.

I wouldn't bother with a cycle yet. Get some EC instead. Cycle when you're about 12%.

[makod]

How tall are you

[First6]

Thanks guys. I have decided to wait for now.
SIXXER - What is EC?
MAKOD - 5'8"

[makod]

Your goal is to get to 12% at what weight?

[First6]

I don't really care about my weight. Just bf%.
So I don't have a weight goal.

[makod]

You will be lean but very thin. This is going to a hard road. A very long and hard road. I belive AAS will only shorten that road.

I started out 78kg 24%+ last year. I am now 19yo 5'8" 17.9%bf nearly 90kg or 200lb. I have only gotten to this by diet and training everyday for a year.

You have only just started mate. Get you diet checked and learn about whats In the foods your eating and why your eating them. Learn about the proper ways to do cardio and different intensities at different times. Get a good weight training routine.

Do your weights 4x week do your cardio 5-6 week. Low intensity PWO high intensity on off days.

Do that for 6 months throw some clen in here and there. Recheck your bodyfat then rethink AAS - maybe a prohormone?

[sixxer]

Thanks guys. I have decided to wait for now.
SIXXER - What is EC?
MAKOD - 5'8"

Ephedrine/Caffeine stack.

If you're having trouble with appetite while dieting, this will blunt it as well as provide energy for your training.

But I would seriously take a break for two weeks, eat at maintenance, get your leptin levels back to normal then diet again. 2-3 months dieting followed by a 2 week break to restore hormone levels is necessary, otherwise you will just stall at a certain point.

[First6]

Ah I see. Thanks.

Yeah I took a break for 1.5 weeks. That's all I could mentally handle. I am back at it starting today.

Thanks!

[First6]

Just posted the new diet.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=423912