just found out I have been running two fake cycles over the past year

[AlphaMaleDawg]

I have asked many questions over the past year here due to my suspicions. Finally 2 weeks ago I decided to get bloodwork done "on cycle" to make absolutely sure what I was taking was real.

my natural test was 313 and my free test was 1.15

First off, this means my natural test production is dangerously low for my age (24). Secondly, wtf have I been injecting this whole time? I haven't gotten any sides including boost in libido. I made a thread back in december ( PCT just ended today and I still can't tell whether my gear was real or not!! ) after what I thought was my first cycle on test-e only at 500mg for 12 weeks. All my gains from that cycle was due to my dramatic calorie increase (1,100 extra cals!). Worst of all I gained fat on that cycle too.

The only thing that was real that I took was dbol during my current cycle at 40mg for 4 weeks. So basically I did a dbol only cycle without pct. My natural test in january was 331, so it looks like it didn't affect my natural test levels much. I won't even bother doing a pct now that I have been off dbol for 7 weeks since clearly I recovered the little bit that I had to begin with.

And here I was thinking I was going to start tren for my next cycle. well the hell with those plans. I have been dishing out advice here as if I had my own experience, which clearly I don't.

so basically FML, I guess I'll start a REAL test-only cycle in a couple of months or sooner. Maybe see an endo about my natural test levels but I don't really see the point unless I want to go to the TRT route. What a waste of scar tissue from all these injections btw.

[marcus300]

Sorry to hear that, make sure you get good gear next time, search for pharm grade its far better than that UGL sh1t.

[dec11]

I have asked many questions over the past year here due to my suspicions. Finally 2 weeks ago I decided to get bloodwork done "on cycle" to make absolutely sure what I was taking was real.

my natural test was 313 and my free test was 1.15

First off, this means my natural test production is dangerously low for my age (24). Secondly, wtf have I been injecting this whole time? I haven't gotten any sides including boost in libido. I made a thread back in december ( PCT just ended today and I still can't tell whether my gear was real or not!! ) after what I thought was my first cycle on test-e only at 500mg for 12 weeks. All my gains from that cycle was due to my dramatic calorie increase (1,100 extra cals!). Worst of all I gained fat on that cycle too.

The only thing that was real that I took was dbol during my current cycle at 40mg for 4 weeks. So basically I did a dbol only cycle without pct. My natural test in january was 331, so it looks like it didn't affect my natural test levels much. I won't even bother doing a pct now that I have been off dbol for 7 weeks since clearly I recovered the little bit that I had to begin with.

And here I was thinking I was going to start tren for my next cycle. well the hell with those plans. I have been dishing out advice here as if I had my own experience, which clearly I don't.

so basically FML, I guess I'll start a REAL test-only cycle in a couple of months or sooner. Maybe see an endo about my natural test levels but I don't really see the point unless I want to go to the TRT route. What a waste of scar tissue from all these injections btw.

this is why i always go with pharmaceutical. thats rough mate, feel sorry for ya

[AlphaMaleDawg]

thanks guys. this is MISERABLE. I was even taking arimidex and caber which were actually real. I am almost 100% positive my pct was fake too, which is probably a good thing considering I was injecting fake stuff

[AlphaMaleDawg]

I actually have a question. How bad is 1.15 Free test? I am unfamiliar with the scale on that one. I know the total test scale but not free

[dec11]

try to stick to pharma from now on, i know its not as highly dosed as some UGL and thus a tad more expensive but at least you know what your getting

[AlphaMaleDawg]

^i actually have real stuff in possession already since I used another source I know is good after. I just never used their stuff other than dbol . So that isn't really the issue. It sucks that I have low test naturally though. On the bright side, at least I have an excellent base to start AAS for real. Now I think I am going to cut a bit to get to low bf and then cycle. I want to look very lean this summer so I don't know if starting a test-e cycle now would be the best idea

[gymmonster]

damn that sucks!!
did you feel anything that was making you think it was real stuff?

[dec11]

^i actually have real stuff in possession already since I used another source I know is good after. I just never used their stuff other than dbol. So that isn't really the issue. It sucks that I have low test naturally though. On the bright side, at least I have an excellent base to start AAS for real. Now I think I am going to cut a bit to get to low bf and then cycle. I want to look very lean this summer so I don't know if starting a test-e cycle now would be the best idea

since the dbol was real it wouldnt hurt to run a pct now, and wait a few months b4 going on your test

[AlphaMaleDawg]

damn that sucks!!
did you feel anything that was making you think it was real stuff?

yes the calorie increase led to strength and muscle gains so I thought the gear was doing its thing. plus the pumps were very good. Also I thought I trusted my source, which I shouldn't have. It was a personal source, not a UGL. The lack of libido was the one thing that always made me somewhat suspicious though. I really don't know why I have low test at my age. I mean I never wake up with morning wood or anything like that

since the dbol was real it wouldnt hurt to run a pct now, and wait a few months b4 going on your test

What's the point? my test levels are the same as they were before the dbol pretty much. This time i took the blood test several hours later than I did before so that is probably why they are down 18

[AlphaMaleDawg]

I think I am just gonna do test-prop for my first cycle. none of this waiting for results bs. I will try to get some and start it when I get it. No need to wait IMO. thoughts?

[JasonT]

I think I am just gonna do test-prop for my first cycle. none of this waiting for results bs. I will try to get some and start it when I get it. No need to wait IMO. thoughts?

Sorry to hear bro.....really weird, but i think im in the same boat as you right now. I just posted an update in my log thread about how i think my gear might be bunk. I didn't notice anything off the dbol (as you know), and now on week 7 of test e and still not noticing anything.

Dunno if you have time to look over my post, but it's the last two posts: Test E & Dbol - 1st Cycle


I was also thinking about doing a test prop only cycle once this shiz clears up....right now im in the air about doing pct because im not sure if the test is real or not.

[MMArmour]

ugh...**** man that sucks so bad. im sorry bro!

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Sorry to hear bro.....really weird, but i think im in the same boat as you right now. I just posted an update in my log thread about how i think my gear might be bunk. I didn't notice anything off the dbol (as you know), and now on week 7 of test e and still not noticing anything.

Dunno if you have time to look over my post, but it's the last two posts: Test E & Dbol - 1st Cycle


I was also thinking about doing a test prop only cycle once this shiz clears up....right now im in the air about doing pct because im not sure if the test is real or not.

It looks like your stuff is also fake but the serial number part is odd. I know you definitely know how to work out too and eat too. I got a lot out of dbol from the same lab you used. that's the only real thing I used though and I don't even count that

In any case, I think I will do prop at 150mg eod. The crappy part is waiting for it to arrive in the mail.

[JasonT]

It looks like your stuff is also fake but the serial number part is odd. I know you definitely know how to work out too and eat too. I got a lot out of dbol from the same lab you used. that's the only real thing I used though and I don't even count that

In any case, I think I will do prop at 150mg eod. The crappy part is waiting for it to arrive in the mail.

the weird part is that im having prop-like pain for a week after each injection, i just wish i knew for sure what i was putting in my body.

If I run the prop, ill do it at 75mg ed to help keep the blood levels more stable (also should be less painful with half the amount).

[AlphaMaleDawg]

the weird part is that im having prop-like pain for a week after each injection, i just wish i knew for sure what i was putting in my body.

If I run the prop, ill do it at 75mg ed to help keep the blood levels more stable (also should be less painful with half the amount).

that works too. How long are you going to run it for? I am thinking 8 weeks

[JasonT]

that works too. How long are you going to run it for? I am thinking 8 weeks

probably 10, but ill need to do bloodwork before i know when to start it.

if that goes well, my next one will probably be test e/deca /dbol

[Knockout_Power]

That sucks bro, I really feel for you. Had a friend do the same thing. Went on what he though to be a Prop/Tren cycle, so OED pinning and nothing after 8 weeks.

[tronics]

the dbol was real? maybe its suppressed your natural levels and you will need to run a legit pct, but id get another blood test. i had a blood test read 261 and i was about to be put on trt then i went back afew weeks later and it was 460 something...

[AlphaMaleDawg]

probably 10, but ill need to do bloodwork before i know when to start it.

if that goes well, my next one will probably be test e/deca/dbol

I'm going to do prop 8-10 weeks. second cycle will be npp and prop most likely. The hell with waiting to see results. Too much of a mental mindfukc. I am way over the fear of injections at this point and I haven't even injected anything legit yet

That sucks bro, I really feel for you. Had a friend do the same thing. Went on what he though to be a Prop/Tren cycle, so OED pinning and nothing after 8 weeks.

thanks for the kind words man

the dbol was real? maybe its suppressed your natural levels and you will need to run a legit pct, but id get another blood test. i had a blood test read 261 and i was about to be put on trt then i went back afew weeks later and it was 460 something...

yes the dbol was in fact real. I used it for 30 days at 40mg. the blood test said my liver enzymes were normal and in good shape. However I stated before that I had taken a blood test in january before taking dbol,and my total test was 331 and I took it earlier in the morning that day. My test level now is the same as before dbol, and it has been 7 weeks since I stopped it. Therefore, I see no reason to use a pct

[AlphaMaleDawg]

I also think I might seriously consider cruising. I don't see the point in trying to recover natural test so it comes back to 313 total and 1.15 free.

[Necrosaro]

I might also be going through the same problem, got a different provider and nothing for 5 weeks yet. Still hoping though

[c-Z]

I might also be going through the same problem, got a different provider and nothing for 5 weeks yet. Still hoping though

Yaaaa... UGL tends to this here and there. hard to find a decent UGL

[eregitano]

You need to read our rules before you post again

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Edited

unfortunately we can't discuss it here

[AlphaGenetics]

Wow sorry to hear that, got to wonder what you were injecting. I homebrew all my gear so I usually know what Im injecting is safe and legit. You might want to look into it, its cheaper than the alternative also.

[Spartans09]

Your free test is very low. Did you get luetenizing hormone or any other results with the test? It sound like you may of needed to run a pct if your think your dbol was good. Your definately hormonaly challenged right now. I would go to the bloodwork section and read the stickies. There is a good one about all the bloodwork results needed and why.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Your free test is very low. Did you get luetenizing hormone or any other results with the test? It sound like you may of needed to run a pct if your think your dbol was good. Your definately hormonaly challenged right now. I would go to the bloodwork section and read the stickies. There is a good one about all the bloodwork results needed and why.

the free test of 1.15 was actually in the normal range according to their scale. I think the high was 2.6 or something like that (not positive). I might hit that section up thanks

[Spartans09]

Ok. That's my fault then. I should of clarified the units of measurement and ranges. There are several ways different labs score stuff. If you are in the normal range you are in much better shape than I thought.

[wanabeMASSIVE!]

Ok Now am paranoid.. im on my first ever course of UG stuff. iv always used pharma graded gear.. i think im gonna go get blood work done...

However i have increasd in size vascularity etc... crap i thnk i should still get a check up...


WTFek!

[stevey_6t9]

going from your previous cycle thread, you gained 20lbs in 12 weeks.

i dont think upping your kcal by 1000 would cause that.

what cycle are you on now

[AlphaMaleDawg]

going from your previous cycle thread, you gained 20lbs in 12 weeks.

i dont think upping your kcal by 1000 would cause that.

what cycle are you on now

it did. and it's not like it was all muscle I gained. the blood test doesnt lie and neither does lack of libido or morning wood

I thought i was taking test at 625mg and deca at 400mg. I did dbol first 30 days at 40mg (only thing that was real which gave me good gains)

[Jahcuree]

Sorry to hear about that brotha, although if thats you in your avi, look like you got some good size w.o the gear

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Sorry to hear about that brotha, although if thats you in your avi, look like you got some good size w.o the gear

yep it's me. thanks man. If anything, I suppose it means I have more potential on juice since I am big already naturally (well ok I did dbol ). I am definitely at my genetic limit now after more than 6 years of natty training

[CMB]

Run a pct.

[956Vette]

I also think I might seriously consider cruising. I don't see the point in trying to recover natural test so it comes back to 313 total and 1.15 free.

dont beat yourself up too much over one blood draw. the more data you get the better, keep at it

[devilduckizer09]

damn that sucks! gl with ya next cycle

[BG]

I also think I might seriously consider cruising. I don't see the point in trying to recover natural test so it comes back to 313 total and 1.15 free.

Thats no reason to cruise. If you libido is still good at those levels then dont worry. I would definitly run a pct, your gear may have been underdosed, some real, if there was any supression you want to run a pct. Again dont cruise.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

dont beat yourself up too much over one blood draw. the more data you get the better, keep at it

it was TWO blood draws. first one in january read 331 and it was earlier in the morning. post dbol was 313 a little later than morning.

Thats no reason to cruise. If you libido is still good at those levels then dont worry. I would definitly run a pct, your gear may have been underdosed, some real, if there was any supression you want to run a pct. Again dont cruise.

Run a pct.

I have already stated it is pointless to run a pct. I wont recover anything and taking serms for no reason makes no sense

i am still debating cruising. I am thinking i might freeze sperm in case of fertility issues if i do

[956Vette]

I am thinking i might freeze sperm in case of fertility issues if i do

Believe that is premium $$$

Best wishes, rough spot to be in I know. Remain optimistic and make the right decision