I'm seeing a lot of people in this forum stacking DECA with Test C/E orTren. What are the benefits for having them?
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I'm seeing a lot of people in this forum stacking DECA with Test C/E orTren. What are the benefits for having them?
http://www.steroid.com/Deca-Durabolin.php
Generally speaking test should be the base of most cycles, especially one which will shut you down as hard as a 19nor
Im wondering why TRT doctors doesn't prescribe DECA along with Test Cyp?
It is possible to be perscribed deca but TRT stands for Testosterone Replacement Therapy so why would deca be added to the equation if its only TRT?
It often is not needed. TRT is used to provide proper testosterone levels. Synthetic Testosterone does this fine on its own.Quote:
Originally Posted by curioususer
Sometimes Deca will be prescribed in low doses for joint lubrication
great for collagen regeneration/synthesis & synovial fluid increase
Deca is great for strength increases. As for joint lubrication, that's still up in the air to me. I cycled deca 18 months ago w/some other compounds and it didn't do squat. But deca did help in the past when running it w/test alone. I will be running 600-800mgs of deca w/test in my next cycle in 3 weeks. I'm also stopping the use of creatine, glutamine and ibuprofen in the attempt to see if deca really does help in this area. My test dosage will be minimal. Will post in the appropriate forum when cycle starts.
I've heard of it being great for joints as well. But I have no experience with it my self. My step brother used it. With test about 10 years ago and lived it.
My 2¢
for me it was a bitter sweet relationship i have with deca
it helps improve movement and joint issues, plus stacks nicely with test giving decent results at a low dose (300mg/week)
but....
i'm still struggling with some sides us gentlemen prefer not to admit to in the bedroom. it's getting better though...
I will admit that it is great for bulk, and the strength gains are pretty good. Can't speak for the joint effects, since I don't have joint issues. Other than that, its my least favorite compound. It gave me bad acne and gyno at just 300mg.
I used NPP and found it great for my joints.
deca is used medically for old, frail, osteoporotic or cancer patients. its not used for trt bcos it's not a naturally occurring hormone and hence there is no need to "replace" it.Quote:
Originally Posted by curioususer
and for medical uses, it's dosed at a measly 25mg/ml. nothing much to shout about at all.
When i asked my endo what i could take to rid joint pain from the Test U I am taking he recommended Deca, I say why Deca? Doctor says Deca increases bone cushioning collagen.
I may have to bring it up to my endo next visit but he seems limited knowledge even the test for HRT believe it or not. :( Maybe I will be surprised, that would be nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by wmaousley
most docs would just give your glucosamine or NSAIDs if you complain of joint pains.
Agreed but I keep forgetting not everyone is the same and dont go into details about mine. Not typical age related or just a little stiff/sore. Multiple injuries, surgeries, permanent and recorded damage etc. :( lolQuote:
Originally Posted by asiandude
I am using and have for years teh glucosamine, MSN and many other things including anti inflammatory and pain meds. :( Sometimes they are a necessary evil.
It's funny you guys are saying you liked deca for strength. For some reason when I was running it with test e my body had the best look and most mass ever but the strength really seemed to be lacking for me.
Well, lacking as opposed to other cycles anyway.
So deca actually does help rebuild joint tissues? Not just lubricant them correct?
Problem Deca in the western world is primarly used for muscle wasting in Aids patients, so being prescribed it for joint pain most likely wont happen. Here it seems some endo's are more knowledgeful in this area and are willing to lend a hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by lovbyts
Let me know your outcome.
Yeah Im guessing probably not and I dont think I want to fake like I have Aids... lolQuote:
Originally Posted by wmaousley
Ill have to see on my next apt, not sure when that is though.
Is it a good idea to stack a small dose of deca along with my weekly TRT dose for joint health? Like indefinitely?
It depends on many things such as why you have joint pain, what you have used to try to get rid of them and what your doctor/endo has to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaturalJohnny
I really don't know why I have joint pain. It's in my wrists and elbows. I can only guess it has to do with weightlifting since I never had pain before lifting. I've gone through a bottle of cissus for it and it didn't seem that effective.
What would the long term affects of low dose deca be? Would it even be effective at a low weekly dose?
have you tried changing your workout? change the angle, change the grip? change posture, elbow, feet placement? or lighten the weight once in a while? wrist straps?Quote:
Originally Posted by NaturalJohnny
I've had to avoid certain angles that caused joint pain. For example, I do hammer curls and pullups instead of regular curls and chinups because of pain at my elbow associated with my wrist angle. And skullcrushers are avoided due to wrist pain so I stick to close grip bench or dips for triceps. And heavy benching hurts my wrists and elbows so instead I do lighter weight with a lot more reps.Quote:
Originally Posted by asiandude
These pains seem to heal eventually but it takes up to six months or more and then some new pain will develop elsewhere. So I'm just wondering how viable deca is long term. I'm already injecting TRT weekly so why not throw in a 100mg of deca every week?
I'm 36, by the way.
if the changes you made are working, then just give it time to heal.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaturalJohnny
but if you really really want to throw in some deca, i suggest you use it only when you blast, and not as a permanent cruise.