Most Common Beginners Cycles - Look here..

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11-03-2012, 04:44 PM
MickeyKnox

Most Common Beginners First Cycles - Look here..

First and foremost, before you begin your cycle, please have a full blood panel done to determine your hormone values and to give you a baseline for you to gauge any changes before, during, and post cycle. A full Blood Panel that includes a sensitive Male Estrogen Assay is recommended. (Thanks Kel)

Hey guys/gals,

With all the recent new members and beginner cycle questions, I wanted to put together a short list of most commonly accepted cycles for beginners who have decided to introduce themselves to AAS. These cycle were made up with the newbie in mind and kept simple and uncomplicated. There are several ways to develop cycle with a variety of compounds, SERMS, AI's and hCG, however, I feel you will agree that these include the most common. This doesn't necessarily have to be a sticky, we can simply keep it bumped at the top if you like.

"So many reasons a test only cycle should come first.

1. It is the bodies predominant naturally occurring hormone that will establish muscle mass.
2. Whether u start with it first cycle or not, it will become the base for 90% of all future cycles , and if u think that doesn't apply cause u only wanna do one cycle...i got news for ya- after that one cycle you WILL wanna do more!
3. You need to know the effects of test on your body throughout a cycle - that way when when you do stack other compounds with it you can get a true gauge or feeling for what they provide for you in terms of gains, sides, etc. Almost all other feelings you establish on different steroids will be based on their interaction and synergy with test. This will be your "baseline". Later you might explore how 2 or 3 compounds (maybe more) synergistically interact with one another. But you need an accurate baseline - test will provide that as it is probably the only compound that stacks well with virtually every steroid.
4. IT WORKS...WELL!
5. Straightforward, relatively easy pct
6. Relatively easy to control sides

Oh and did i mention it works..WELL!" (Thank you JimmyInkdUp)

Most Common Beginners Cycles.

Option 1. Long Ester

Wk 1-10 Testosterone Cypionate = 200mg twice/wk e3.5d
Wk 1-10 Arimidex .25mg EOD – monitor and adjust accordingly.
Wk 1- 12.5 hCG = 250iu twice/wk - day before test injection.

PCT
Begins wk 13 to wk 17

Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

*Note: If youre currently on TRT/HRT you skip PCT and simply return to your dosing protocol

Option 2. Long Ester

Wk 1-12 Testosterone Enanthate = 250mg twice/wk e3.5d
Wk 1-12 Aromasin 12.5mg ED MIN- monitor and adjust accordingly.
Wk 1-14.5 hCG = 250iu twice/wk - day before test injection.

PCT
Begins wk 15 to wk 19

Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

*Note: If youre currently on TRT/HRT you skip PCT and simply return to your dosing protocol

Option 3. Short Ester

Wk 1-8 Testosterone Propionate = 150mg eod.
Wk 1-8 Aromasin 12.5mg ED MIN - monitor and adjust accordingly.
Wk 1-8 hCG = 250iu twice/wk day.

PCT
Begins wk 9 to wk 13

Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

*Note: If youre currently on TRT/HRT you skip PCT and simply return to your dosing protocol

Beginners Cycles + (with an Oral)

Option 1, Long Ester

Wk 1-12 Testosterone Enanthate = 250mg twice/wk e3.5d
Wk 1-4 Dianabol (Dbol) = 30mg/day *half life is 4-6hrs
Wk 1-12 Aromasin 12.5mg ED MIN - monitor and adjust accordingly.
Wk 1-14.5 hCG = 250iu twice/wk - day before test injection.

PCT
Begins wk 15 to wk 19

Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

*Note: If youre currently on TRT/HRT you skip PCT and simply return to your dosing protocol

Option 2. Short Ester

Wk 1-8 Testosterone Propionate = 150mg eod.
Wk 3-8 Anavar = 60mg/day dosed 20mg every 8 hours.
Wk 1-8 Aromasin 12.5mg ED MIN- monitor and adjust accordingly.
Wk 1-8 hCG = 250iu twice/wk day before test injection.

PCT
Begins wk 9 to wk 13

Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

*Note: If youre currently on TRT/HRT you skip PCT and simply return to your dosing protocol

**All AAS cycles should include an AI, hCG, and PCT – no exceptions!**

Please read over these links to gain a fundamental understanding of why the above hCG, AAS, SERMS, and AI’s were chosen.

The Young and Steroids

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...s#.UHBeIa7X_fs

Cycles Gone Wrong for the Young

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...*#.UL2db2fX_fs

Nutritional Forum

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdispl...M#.UHNufa7X_fs

Educational Threads

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdispl...S#.TzgpVFF3k34

Testosterone ONLY video. Please watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CPn_mQocv4

Injection Techniques and Questions

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...e#.UMeFJazX_fs

*Aromasin (Exemestane) vs Arimidex (Anastrozole) Unraveled*

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...nraveled*.html

*Esters and Half Life of Steroids - Oral and Depot*

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...*#.UTj3TDcUX0E

Estrogen Control, Treatment, and PCT

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...t#.UJSEImfX_fs

SERM, AI

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-AI-Definition

hCG and Pregnenolone; What you should know.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.UJWP6mfX_fs

Why HCG is So Important

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.UIlhVWfX_ft

Steroid Guide

http://www.steroid.com/steroid_profiles.php
11-03-2012, 04:50 PM
Chx beach 79

Looks perfect!
11-03-2012, 04:51 PM
MuscleInk

What about a link to nutrition or reference to the subsection. Nothing happens before nutrition.
11-03-2012, 04:51 PM
Chx beach 79

Great Stuff!
11-03-2012, 04:53 PM
kronik420

bump

12 weeks of prop... thats alot of pinning lol
11-03-2012, 04:58 PM
kronik420

and check your links mick ;)

the steroid guide 1 dont work

and the 1 under: Estrogen Control, Treatment, and PCT
11-03-2012, 04:59 PM
MickeyKnox

Quote:

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

What about a link to nutrition or reference to the subsection. Nothing happens before nutrition.

Done

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chx beach 79

I mean if on TRT then no PCT

Done

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chx beach 79

Only one exception! TRT means no PCT

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronik420

bump

12 weeks of prop... thats alot of pinning lol

That was suppose to read 8wks :(

Thanks for the critique guys, keep them coming. If you spot something please let me know. :)
11-03-2012, 05:04 PM
MickeyKnox

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronik420

and check your links mick ;)

the steroid guide 1 dont work

and the 1 under: Estrogen Control, Treatment, and PCT

Fixed. Thanks!
11-03-2012, 05:07 PM
kronik420

option 3 still has 12 weeks of prop lol
11-03-2012, 05:10 PM
bigsiv

Long ester (with oral)
Just a note on the dianabol every 8 hours MickeyKnox ? Should that be spaced a bit better during the day? Presuming your awake for 14 hours it should be roughly every 3 1/2 hours.
Bump again good read
11-03-2012, 05:16 PM
MickeyKnox

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigsiv

Long ester (with oral)
Just a note on the dianabol every 8 hours MickeyKnox ? Should that be spaced a bit better during the day? Presuming your awake for 14 hours it should be roughly every 3 1/2 hours.
Bump again good read

Youre right. I was thinking Var. Thanks!

My mind was like jello with all the PCT's, wks, and various esters and what not..lol
11-03-2012, 05:31 PM
Sworder

Thanks Mickey!
11-03-2012, 05:40 PM
SportbikerKid

I really don't see why you differentiate between test E and test C. Basically the same compound.
11-03-2012, 05:45 PM
MickeyKnox

Quote:

Originally Posted by SportbikerKid

I really don't see why you differentiate between test E and test C. Basically the same compound.

Good question.

I included both the common long esters because we get asked about them both. And often the reason is because the member can only acquire one or the other. :)
11-03-2012, 05:46 PM
MickeyKnox

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sworder

Thanks Mickey!

Thanks Sworder! (meaning, youre welcome..lol)
11-03-2012, 05:51 PM
Buster Brown

Nice job!!!
11-03-2012, 05:53 PM
MickeyKnox

Thanks for the vote of confidence BB!
11-03-2012, 05:56 PM
bigsiv

Yeah good info MickeyKnox if only the newer members were as eager to sort their diets and training out as much as they are to stick chemicals inside them the battle would be won lol
Still as long as yourself and the othe vets are willing to give up their time an educate the rest of us there's hope
11-03-2012, 05:58 PM
kmms

i don't know if you can edit titles or not but putting "first cycle" in there would make it easier for search purposes.

some people can't spell beginner and others might chafe at the thought of being considered one haha.
11-03-2012, 06:01 PM
bigsiv

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmms

i don't know if you can edit titles or not but putting "first cycle" in there would make it easier for search purposes.

some people can't spell beginner and others might chafe at the thought of being considered one haha.

Ha ha ha this is very true. It takes a lot to admit your a beginner like me couple if cycles under belt built still scratching the surface I'd AAS and BB
11-03-2012, 06:03 PM
bigsiv

Wow that last bit didn't make sense typing too fast hope ya understood. Lol told you I'm a begginnerr lol
11-03-2012, 06:06 PM
MickeyKnox

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigsiv

Yeah good info MickeyKnox if only the newer members were as eager to sort their diets and training out as much as they are to stick chemicals inside them the battle would be won lol
Still as long as yourself and the othe vets are willing to give up their time an educate the rest of us there's hope

Thanks bro.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmms

i don't know if you can edit titles or not but putting "first cycle" in there would make it easier for search purposes.

some people can't spell beginner and others might chafe at the thought of being considered one haha.

Unable to edit the actual thread title, but i'm hoping to keep this bumped.
11-03-2012, 06:07 PM
bigsiv

Bump MickeyKnox bump
11-03-2012, 10:03 PM
MickeyKnox

Ttt.
11-03-2012, 10:36 PM
kelkel

Very nicely written MK. Forward thinking.

kel
11-03-2012, 10:55 PM
kronik420

lol i dont think any new guys have read this, judging by the new threads that are being started...

bump
11-03-2012, 10:56 PM
austinite

Good job Mickey. As usual.
11-03-2012, 11:19 PM
EngineeredMayhem

Thanks for this, Mickey! (meager bump)
11-04-2012, 06:41 AM
MickeyKnox

Thanks guys.
11-04-2012, 07:22 AM
mikey hulk

Well done good info
11-04-2012, 07:53 AM
Lunk1

Just a cpl thoughts from the cheap seats...up the prop dosage to 150mg EOD so that it falls more in line with the 500 mg EW protocal, switch to Adex on the prop cycle since it starts working right away, consider listing Tbol as an option vs. Dbol and winnie as an option vs Var...

Indeed another progressive and proactive post my Northern brotha from anotha mutha
11-04-2012, 08:04 AM
MickeyKnox

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Just a cpl thoughts from the cheap seats...up the prop dosage to 150mg EOD so that it falls more in line with the 500 mg EW protocal, switch to Adex on the prop cycle since it starts working right away, consider listing Tbol as an option vs. Dbol and winnie as an option vs Var...

Indeed another progressive and proactive post my Northern brotha from anotha mutha

Always appreciate comments from my big Lunkster buddy from the south.

I chose 100eod as a bit lower dose for the beginner. Although we preach, including myself, that 500 should be used for fist cycle, 350 does in fact work well with a proper diet. In fact, there are Vets on here who have use this protocol to achieve fantastic gains. The first cycle is test cvp @ 400. It doesn't always have to be 500mg dead on.

The transparent truth is, I actual don't like Arimidex at all. It's hard on your lipids, and with its short half life works faster than Aromasin. This is not always a positive feature. Imho, i feel that long esters are more in line with the slower acting Aromasin. Did i mention dex is hard on your lipid panel? ;)

As far as Dbol vs Tbol Vs Winstrol vs Anavar... tomato tomato bro. I chose the most common ones - hence the title to the thread and the third sentence.

Who loves ya buddy! :)
11-04-2012, 08:13 AM
Lunk1

I will not argue your logic...I just prefer to make the first cycle the BEST cycle and while 500mg is not a MUST it a prefered jump off point for me.

A agree also that I prefer Aro but in the case of the short estered cycle of prop I think Dex is the better option...otherwise yup Aro on longs for me 2!

I wish there was a way to replace the COMMONality of Dbol...I ma so unimpressed by it!

Gracias again for the work you put in...it's never un-noticed!
11-04-2012, 08:15 AM
MickeyKnox

Get over here so i can give a big man hug!
11-04-2012, 08:19 AM
austinite

Quote:

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

Get over here so i can give a big man hug!

He is pretty hairy I hear. That would be a bear hug.

OK, back on topic! I like the 100 EOD to start. Folks remember, you produce 50 to 70 mg natty, so 100 EOD is a massive difference and a great start.
11-04-2012, 08:46 AM
Lunk1

Not hairy at all thank you...except for my aas ;)
11-04-2012, 08:50 AM
600@50

Good job there MK. Sticky maybe?
11-04-2012, 11:09 AM
MickeyKnox

Thanks 600.
11-04-2012, 02:00 PM
freddy1418

Bump STICKY good job MK
11-04-2012, 09:33 PM
kronik420

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