What are the consequences of not running an AI or SERM during a cycle ?

[VRamos]

What are the consequences of not running an AI during this cycle:

500 mg of cypionate + 500 mg EQ Boldenone

I've done it for 4 weeks, withou AI and my sympthoms were morning sickness, chest pain, loss of apetite, and started to feel depressed ... :/ but I don't think AI or SERM would do anything about these sympthoms. I also have more erections that last longer... but HEY! that's not bad!

Im 5'7, 168 lbs, 7-8 % BF, 20 years

I KONW IT'S A STUPID CYCLE AT A STUPID AGE, BUT I STOPPED ALREADY.

I'm planning on having nolvadex 18 days after last EQ injection.

Do you guys think I should take arimidex until there?

P.S. - I gained 5 pounds in 3 weeks and reasonable strength and definition

[XxAndreaxX]

results: bitch tits and accordeon dick, and less muscle than at the beginning
you have more erecctions because of the test. take 10mg of nolva ED, and then do a proper PCT. and due you're under 21, I've got to say to end cycle now, and start PCT

[gixxerboy1]

The depression can be from high estrogen. And high e can cause a ton of other issues u cant feel. Not using an ai is just stupid

[Stosh_112]

Yes run an AI up until the first day of pct. Some will run the AI a week or two into pct. Maybe a vet can give an opinion?

[jrlabat]

not running an ai is plain stupid bro .. why take a change at getting gyno, killing gains an many other things..an like gixxerboy said it just not what you can see high e can cause problems inside to!! the big loin on top of this page can help you get an ai

[MuscleInk]

If you're asking this question, you shouldn't be cycling yet. Understanding how test aromatizes and the dangers of rising estrogen is fundamental. If you are going to manipulate hormones, understand the necessity of doing it with diligence.

[MuscleInk]

If you're asking this question, you shouldn't be cycling yet. Understanding how test aromatizes and the dangers of rising estrogen is fundamental. If you are going to manipulate hormones, understand the necessity of doing it with diligence.

Sorry....tried to post this link before but didn't copy & paste correctly from my phone:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...y#.UN-LC0K9Kc0

[VRamos]

No...I mean, I understand but I thought that I wasn't taking enough test to worry about the aromatization... after all 500 mg are EQ which doesn't convert at high rate. But I wanted to know your opinion guys. Thanks for the thread man

[ironbeck]

Your dick will fall off lol and some ppl won't make money off you?

[MuscleInk]

No...I mean, I understand but I thought that I wasn't taking enough test to worry about the aromatization... after all 500 mg are EQ which doesn't convert at high rate. But I wanted to know your opinion guys. Thanks for the thread man

No worries. It's worth the read if for nothing more than extending your knowledge.

[VRamos]

Yes run an AI up until the first day of pct. Some will run the AI a week or two into pct. Maybe a vet can give an opinion?

thanks bro no, I don't need a vet but I understood you meant that due to the EQ, funny guy

[Bio-Active]

First off a serm should be used for pct and you use an ai to keep e in check during your cycle.

[VRamos]

ironbeck

wtf ? are you on mushrooms or something?

[VRamos]

I know but, since i stopped taking Test injection, do you think I should run an AI during next two weeks? after all, EQ will remain at least 15 days in my system

[Bio-Active]

The benefit of running an AI on cycles is much better than the risk of not running one unless you are willing to run labs to determine if your E levels are low enough

[kelkel]

Read this as well. Disregard the word "aging."

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2008/...ng-Male_01.htm

[ma_fighter]

thanks bro no, I don't need a vet but I understood you meant that due to the EQ, funny guy

I think he meant vet as in veteran I like the way you think though!

But for future reference, when using anything more then TRT doses, an AI of some sorts is quite handy!
Your body produces around 5-7mg of test each day for an average guy, thats 35-49mg per week! Although this varies from person to person. Some produce 4x more then others, but I believe 5-7 is the average.

It may be 5-10mg/day, but if that was the case, even at 70mg/week, which would put your conversion into estrogen in the normal range, you still get no where NEAR the levels from 500mg test/week. And even though EQ converts at about a 50% lower rate, that added with the test is still equal to having 10-20 times as much test available for aromatization as normal.

Anyways, again: good on ya for stopping!
Let us know how things go mate, hoping for the best

/Maf

[ma_fighter]

I know but, since i stopped taking Test injection, do you think I should run an AI during next two weeks? after all, EQ will remain at least 15 days in my system

If you have it handy, I cant see a reason not to

[Sgt. Hartman]

thanks bro no, I don't need a vet but I understood you meant that due to the EQ, funny guy

I'm a veterinarian may I be of some assistance??? Lmfao

He meant vet as in veteran someone with more experience.

And kel has answered your question. Read his link.

[Soar]

I'm curious as to why you would want to take a gram a week of gear at the age of twenty? That's nuts man...

[Coeus]

If your Avatar is recent, I question your BF stats. You need to concentrate on training and eating correctly at your age. Just keep off the gear and go to the doctor and get a blood panel and get some counsel after telling him about your AS use. I doubt you will have any permanent side effects. At your age, you should be able to make consistent gains via a clean bulking diet, supplementation, and mastering training cycles. Max out your potential naturally for a few more years, then if you want to use AS you will see better results and have less risk of injury and side effects as your hormone regulation balances.

[supraman]

gyno, ed, depression, extreme bloat, really fun stuff bro

[VRamos]

Yes Coeus, my avatar was taken last week (3 weeks in the cycle). I think my BF is 7-8%, but what's your opinion?

I have a healthy diet bro. Eat 6 meals a day. Always clean, most of my carbs are complexe (brown rice, cereals, oatmeal, etc..) 100g protein per day, but I only take one protein shake: that's after training (the rest of protein comes from tuna, cereals, milk and mostly white meat). Lots of water

[VRamos]

Thanks ma fighter, you're awesome man! have been a great help!

[ma_fighter]

Thanks ma fighter, you're awesome man! have been a great help!

You're welcome bro!