Need some input on this cycle

Hey guys, I just wanted to get some input on a cycle I'm getting ready to start. This is easily my most advanced cycle I've taken, I'm tarying to cut up for summer and prepare for a show at the end of the summer. Let me know what you think..

Weeks 1 - 10
Test Cypionate 750mg per week
Masteron 200 600 per week
Tren Ace 500 per week
Winstrol 50 mg per day
Clen/T3 combo - 2 weeks on/2weeks off for 8 weeks

Weeks 5-10
Increase Winstrol to 100mg per day

Post cycle:
One week after last injection 20mg of Nolvadex for three weeks.

That's an awful lot buddy what are your stats?
Just nolvadex pct no clomid?
No ai mentioned
No prolactin control mentioned either

This is probably my 6th overall cycle.

I'm 25, 5"11, and about 195 lbs currently. I'd say around 14-15% body fat.

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Originally Posted by Jhall23

This is probably my 6th overall cycle.

I'm 25, 5"11, and about 195 lbs currently. I'd say around 14-15% body fat.

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6 cycles at 25 that's a lot!!!
What about the other things I mentioned?

See, I wanted to mix in Clomid with it but a buddy told me that wouldn't be necessary. This is why I'm posting to see what I need to add to this.

and elaborate on the other stuff, I'm not familiar. And yeah about 5-6 cycles, everything else has been just Test Prop though, nothing major. Taken Winstrol with it before as well.

i think starting tren ace same time with Test Cyp is big mistake...
cyp wont kick in until week 5-6 and tren ace would really cause alot of problems cuz it would be basically like running tren only
i would switch to test prop and run it at TRT dose and keep tren ace at that dose or lower it to 350mg/wk if its you have no experience with tren
t3 dont need to be ran for 2 weeks on 2 weeks off you just keep running it
clen YES 2 weeks off and 2 weeks on
i would drop the winstrol , no need for it as you are running masteron
get your diet on point and you are good to go...
im sure that you did 6 cycles you know how to use AI, prolactin antagonist, and HCG during cycle
Nolvadex and clomid or torem for pct...

Alright, I like that.

I was actually thinking about running test prop with it for the first 4 weeks, just mixing it with my tren and pinning.

What dosage do you think with the t3? I've read to start at 50mcg a day, then taper up to 100mcg.

Diet is def on point, I usually have no problems with that.

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Originally Posted by Jhall23

This is probably my 6th overall cycle.

I'm 25, 5"11, and about 195 lbs currently. I'd say around 14-15% body fat.

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Mate, those stats are exceedingly poor for somebody after 2 cycles let alone 6. Care to share your nutrition plan for bulking and also the one for your proposed cut?

The PCT is where I want the most input, All I've ever taken was nolvadex, and it's been great. But I figured with amping up my cycle i'd need a bit more

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Originally Posted by Granovich

im sure that you did 6 cycles you know how to use AI, prolactin antagonist, and HCG during cycle
Nolvadex and clomid or torem for pct...

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as far as dosage goes, what would you suggest?

I think something is wrong, but my opinion would be to run the test for 2 weeks then use the tren the last 8. That is so many compounds, and judging by your stats, you seem to be doing something wrong. Is your diet adjusted? Also, if you're wanting to cut, I'd use less than 250 test, more like 125.

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Originally Posted by warmouth

I think something is wrong, but my opinion would be to run the test for 2 weeks then use the tren the last 8. That is so many compounds, and judging by your stats, you seem to be doing something wrong. Is your diet adjusted? Also, if you're wanting to cut, I'd use less than 250 test, more like 125.

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I haven't done a cycle in quite awhile. I overshot on the bf %, i'm actually at around 12%. And my diet hasn't been well the past 3 months or so. But I just started dieting about 3 weeks ago and dropped 10 lbs so far.

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Originally Posted by Jhall23

I haven't done a cycle in quite awhile. I overshot on the bf %, i'm actually at around 12%. And my diet hasn't been well the past 3 months or so. But I just started dieting about 3 weeks ago and dropped 10 lbs so far.

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Can you post a picture fella I think something's a miss here
Dropping 10lbs in 3 weeks isn't good there will surely be lbm in that.
You've done 5-6 cycles and only hitting your body weight
Seems to me your relying in aas to do all the work and not diet and training

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Originally Posted by panntastic

Can you post a picture fella I think something's a miss here
Dropping 10lbs in 3 weeks isn't good there will surely be lbm in that.
You've done 5-6 cycles and only hitting your body weight
Seems to me your relying in aas to do all the work and not diet and training

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I know my diet has been on point, but it is now, haha. I really do know what I'm doing as far as my diet and training plan. I really just need advice on my gear.

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Originally Posted by Jhall23

I know my diet has been on point, but it is now, haha. I really do know what I'm doing as far as my diet and training plan. I really just need advice on my gear.

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Lets see the diet plan then.

Active Days:
Protein= 1,417 calories/ 4= 354.4 grams/ 7= 50 grams
Carbohydrates= 1,063 calories/ 4= 265 grams/ 7= 38 grams
Fat= 1,063 calories/ 9= 118 grams/ 7= 17 grams

Non-Active Days:
Protein= 1,023 calories/ 4= 255 grams/ 6= 42 grams
Carbohydrates= 768 calories/ 4= 191 grams/ 6= 32 grams
Fat= 768 calories/ 9= 88 grams/ 6= 15 grams

Meal 1: 6:30 am
1 scoop whey protein ~ 24g Pro., 5g Carb., 1g Fat

Meal 2: 7:30 am
3 whole eggs, 3 egg whites w/ tbsp Olive oil (Coconut) ~ 24g Pro., 14g Fat
1-2 slice of Eizekel Bread ~ 16g Pro., 3g Carb.
1/2 steel cut oats ~ 5g Pro., 54g Carb.
1/4 blueberries~ 20g Carb

Meal 3: 10:00 am
1/4 cup of Dark Chocolate Almonds ~ 5g Pro., 14g Fat., 9g Carb
Protein (SEE OPTIONS)

Meal 4: 12:30 pm
8 oz Tilapia w/ Olive Oil ~ 40g Pro., 0g Carb., 16g Fat
1/2 cup mixed vegetables ~ 0g Pro., 5g Carb

Meal 5: 3:00 pm (Active Days Pre-Workout Meal)
8 oz Whole chicken breast w/ Olive Oil ~ 40g Pro., 0g Carb., 16g Fat
1 cup of Brown Rice ~ 4g Pro., 37g Carb., 1.5g Fat

30 Minutes prior to exercise:
“Pre-workout of choice”

During workout:
1 scoop of Gatorade powder mixed w/ BCCA’s (SEE SUPP. OPTIONS)

Post- exercise meal:
2 scoops Wheybolic Extreme 60 w/ ~ 40g Pro., 3g Carb., 1.5g Fat
2 scoops Waxy Maize ~ 60g High GI Carbs.

Meal 6(7):
8 oz whole chicken breast (SEE OPTIONS) w/ Olive Oil ~ 40 grams Pro., 16g Fat
1 sweet potato ~ 57g Carb.

TOTAL CALORIES: Protein= 329 Active/ 270 Non, Carbs= 270/ 210, Fat= 82

This your bulking diet right?

What is your intended macro split? You have a crazy amount of protein and fat in there.

Why do you vary your protein and fat amounts on rest days?

This was made for me by a nutritionist.

my goal is to build but also lost body fat.

and he told me that's what I needed to do. I really don't know how to answer some of the questions you're asking.

You will NOT get lean on that diet. For me (with similar stats) that would make me fat, fat, fat. Can I suggest you pick a goal, bulk or cut and follow that through?

We have an excellent resource being the nutrition forum. You should spend some time there and learn how to diet for yourself before considering any further cycle.

What do you know about your nutritionist? Qualifications? Is he/she a bodybuilder? Was he/she referred to you?

What questions that I asked are you struggling to answer?

He's a bodybuilder and a sponsored athlete.

I'm trying to cut more than anything. Like I said, I've always been pretty active but I've kind of lingered away from eating right the last 3-4 months due to some personal stuff.

Right now I'm eating like this:

Breakfast:
6 eggs (1whole, the rest eggwhites)
2 rice cakes

Mid morn snack:
1 can of drained tuna
2 rice cakes

Lunch:
6Oz chicken breast
1 cup of broccoli or asparagus

Pre-workout meal:
6 oz chicken breast
1 cup broccoli

Post workout meal:
6 oz chicken breast or tilapia
1 sweet potato
asparagus

The only supps I take are oxyelite, fish oil, cla, multivitamin, and preworkout.


By all means, if you have any suggestions that's why I posted.

I also do cardio M-Sat at 6 am, as well as lift around 5 pm. I rest on sundays.

Also include HCG at 250 IU's x 2 per week throughout your cycle. Plus the aforementioned clomid for pct.

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Originally Posted by kelkel

Also include HCG at 250 IU's x 2 per week throughout your cycle. Plus the aforementioned clomid for pct.

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alright cool, I have no experience with HCG at ALL.. how would you take that? and how would you dose the nolvadex and clomid?

Well, his diet would make me extremely fat and yours would likely have me losing all my muscle tissue.


Read this

http://forums.steroid.com/nutrition-...1-cutting.html

I think you should be eating approx 2100 cals to cut. You can eat more on workout days and less on rest days but the 2100 should be an average. My preferred split for cutting is 50/30/20 (p/c/f)

In all honesty, and this isn't intended as a flame, even if you have had 3-4 months of poor dieting your stats are still poor for having done 6 cycles.

Can I ask, have you ever had any bloodwork done to check your hormone levels?

No I haven't. And like I said the cycles I've done before have all been 8 week cycles with Just test prop. And have been scattered throughout since I was 18.

And I understand my stats are poor. Hence why I'm taking the steps to improve them, I just want to make sure i'm doing it the right way.

Did you always run a PCT?

I'd have to recommend a blood test before a cycle too in order to see where you are at.

Yeah, I've always done Nolvadex at 20mgs per day. Start it one week after my last injection and run it for 3 weeks.