Have 60 year old friend with englarged prostate.. safe for him to take small dose?

[pokermonster29]

Hey my friend has englarged prostate and is 60 years old...

He is worried if he takes 200mg's , he''s going to see doc about this, bloodwork etc in few days.

Is him having enlarged prostate already naturally due to his age an issue with him taking TRT 200mg dose a week..

Thats what I take.. well ok taking 300 or so.. admittedly.. was told on this forum on low doses like that wont have to worry about having to take Estrogen right?
Well I said i was taking 200mg's a week.. but as mentioned above upped dose a little bit.

Btw I have been on TRt past 8 months .. 300 mg's a week.. and am getting more women than I can handle.. total life change.. plus never feel tired... jump out of bed.. dont even yawn.. never tired.. better sex... erections.. list goes on and on..
Testosterone is the fountain of youth if there ever has been one.. amazing stuff.. yet important to be educated and use safely obviously.

thanks for advice.

[pokermonster29]

I also read thru some other posts about using saw Palmettos, beta something etc .. have to ask him if he's taking those to reduce prostate...

[pokermonster29]

Also to mention Rick is taking Methadone/ former heroine addict.

Just talked to him on phone and he is not taking anything for the englarged prostate .. lol.. think beta siloute or whatever it was called should be good / read it takes months to work but works best..

thanks

[austinite]

Give this a read: http://forums.steroid.com/supplement...treatment.html

[pokermonster29]

Ok so I"m going to get some Cialis for rick...

So m mani question is it ok for Rick to do TRT with enlarged prostate .. since this is caused by DHT and estrogen in general. not testostorone.. and at low levels.. 200mgs a week estrogen buildup etc should not be an issue whereas taking higher doses obviously need drugs to counteract the estrogen buildup.

So prob ok for Rick to do Trt then? with no complications for his prostate since low doses.
And also getting Cialis to fix that prob for him.
He does take Methadone, 60.. good shape for his age.. full head of hair.. which might signal lower T also right?

[powerliftmike]

First of all what is causing the enlarged prostate? Is it androgen dependent benign prostate hyperplasia (BPH)? How much does it bother him currently? It could definitely increase prostate weight. Perhaps taking arimidex and dutasteride with it could prevent estradiol and DHT buildup to mitigate these effects.

Him having a full head of hair signaling low T? This is unreliable at best and sounds to be pure imaginativeness.

Is this "friend" actually you by the way? Or is this guy just completely uninterested in his own health and defers to you to do the homework?

[austinite]

^^ Excellent questions, Mike.

[pokermonster29]

well i read before that hair loss is associated with higher T.. thus u know soem woemn like bald men prob subconciously due to them having Hight T and being better in bed or soemthing..
coreect me if I"m wrong if anybody knows conclusive well referenced answer on this matter.

NO really friend is not me.. I"m 25 swm, 6, 220.. gained like 20 pounds of muscle since starting trt.. my doctor recommended 200mg's i take about 300 a week.. not taking amridex etc as told that on lowes should not be much of an issue.. on this forum a while back.
No when I did ask if i needed amridex etc I did say i was going to take about 200mg's not 300 though..
think the extra 100mg's a week could make big diff.. ???
Yes I need to get blood test done and admittedly done this little half ass but feel great, super strong, motiavted, never tired.. as steroids put oxygen in muscles so u feel like super human/ or like 20 again..

[pokermonster29]

also his Prostate is naturally enlarged due to age.. Rick has never taken T before..
but told me his doctor recommended it whiel back to him but I guess he's skeptical thinkiing intelligent steroid use and as anybody knows steroids are awesome, make u feel great, and very very very safe as no studies have shown conclusive links to anybody even dying once.. I"m 35.. been on trt.. never felt so good in my life and getting more women than ever.. Always been godo looking but now like super popular.. Thank u steroids.. ha ha

[pokermonster29]

Yeh thanks for replying .. sure Rick will benefit from that advice..
I think i saw u on tv once donig workout show right? mike

[Back In Black]

Are you trying to get him to self medicate, same as you do?

[MuscleInk]

What is the criteria for an enlarged prostate in this individual? Was it diagnosed using serum PSA or serum PSADT (PSA doubling time)? Was a DRE or TRUS performed?

Several factors can contribute to enlarged prostate fossa:
- age
- ethnicity
- nationality
- familial hx
- low zinc
- elevated calcium
- decreased dietary selenium
- elevated testosterone, DHT, estrogen
- decreased omega fatty acids
- cellular mutations (most commonly malignant in nature)
........and more.

Increasing testosterone in ANY form will up-regulate androgenic receptor sites and increase gene amplification of androgenic receptors leading to an over expression of the protease enzyme (PSA). 5-10mg Cialis PO, QD as recommended by Austinite is a good preventative approach and can reduce elevated PSA and enlargement of the gland itself - depending on causal factors of course. Dietary corrections as noted above in my response would also contribute to a healthier prostate. Saw palmetto is inconclusive and many urologists believe the benefits are both overstated and false positive. I do take saw palmetto in addition to 10mg of Cialis PO QD, but the saw palmetto I use also contains zinc and it is THIS specific essential mineral that I am after in the saw palmetto-zinc combination.

MI

[John Andrew]

I am in a state of shock.

Your friend has a prostate problem and is an ex addict.

Why is he not asking his doctor?

Before I started to use steroids I took my doctors advice, that's why I use them, he was an old friend and a straight shooter. As my home country makes using so damm difficult I live where I can do what I want legally! USA and Australia have the worst lawmakers in the world. Even the UK allows you to take in steroids for personal consumption.

I see my doctor here every few weeks. I want to know I am staying healthy. Surely it's just common sense. When I want information on steroids I look here. As a near 58 year old man I am responsible, it's just stupid to hear of a 60 year old who needs somebody else to ask his questions. Sorry, John

[MR10X]

What is the criteria for an enlarged prostate in this individual? Was it diagnosed using serum PSA or serum PSADT (PSA doubling time)? Was a DRE or TRUS performed?

Several factors can contribute to enlarged prostate fossa:
- age
- ethnicity
- nationality
- familial hx
- low zinc
- elevated calcium
- decreased dietary selenium
- elevated testosterone, DHT, estrogen
- decreased omega fatty acids
- cellular mutations (most commonly malignant in nature)
........and more.

Increasing testosterone in ANY form will up-regulate androgenic receptor sites and increase gene amplification of androgenic receptors leading to an over expression of the protease enzyme (PSA). 5-10mg Cialis PO, QD as recommended by Austinite is a good preventative approach and can reduce elevated PSA and enlargement of the gland itself - depending on causal factors of course. Dietary corrections as noted above in my response would also contribute to a healthier prostate. Saw palmetto is inconclusive and many urologists believe the benefits are both overstated and false positive. I do take saw palmetto in addition to 10mg of Cialis PO QD, but the saw palmetto I use also contains zinc and it is THIS specific essential mineral that I am after in the saw palmetto-zinc combination.

MI

Whats your thoughts on someone who had PCa and had seed implants ADT and Igrt treatments,Psa went from 11.4 to 0.1 PSA.Still has no test TT 32 at last bloodwork 6 months after treatments. Onocologist said it is OK to have normal test levels.Never had enlarged prostrate. Most doctors are anti androgen after PCa and refuse to do TRT if needed.I have been told by a doctor online that prostrate is probably completely saturated even at low levels of testosterone and high levels would make no difference as confirmed by older men getting prostrste cancer at a time when their test levels are very low.Although androgen is not known to cause PCa it cause it to grow faster once you get it.ADT is used to slow the growth and shrink the prostrate for better treatment.Do you feel its safe to do Trt after you have been treated for PCa and your PSa is low or normal.

[MR10X]

well i read before that hair loss is associated with higher T.. thus u know soem woemn like bald men prob subconciously due to them having Hight T and being better in bed or soemthing..
coreect me if I"m wrong if anybody knows conclusive well referenced answer on this matter.

NO really friend is not me.. I"m 25 swm, 6, 220.. gained like 20 pounds of muscle since starting trt.. my doctor recommended 200mg's i take about 300 a week.. not taking amridex etc as told that on lowes should not be much of an issue.. on this forum a while back.
No when I did ask if i needed amridex etc I did say i was going to take about 200mg's not 300 though..
think the extra 100mg's a week could make big diff.. ???
Yes I need to get blood test done and admittedly done this little half ass but feel great, super strong, motiavted, never tired.. as steroids put oxygen in muscles so u feel like super human/ or like 20 again..

Researchers Link Early Hair Loss and Prostate Cancer

However, researchers from the European Georges Pompidou Hospital in Paris, France, reached a different conclusion. Reporting on a study of 669 subjects in the Aug. 22, 2011, issue of Annals of Oncology, they found that patients with prostate cancer were twice as likely to have male pattern baldness, or androgenic alopecia (AA), at age 20 years.

Why the inconsistency?

Beyond the possibility of faulty memories of study participants filling out questionnaires, Steven Freedland, M.D., associate professor of surgery at Duke University Medical Center in Durham, N.C., believes he knows why. “To me, the androgen hypothesis is not wrong; it just means we’ve been looking in the wrong place. We should be examining the tissue, not serum levels, which doesn’t accurately reflect what’s going on in the prostate.”

Fillon M. Researchers Link Early Hair Loss and Prostate Cancer. Journal of the National Cancer Institute. Researchers Link Early Hair Loss and Prostate Cancer

[MuscleInk]

Whats your thoughts on someone who had PCa and had seed implants ADT and Igrt treatments,Psa went from 11.4 to 0.1 PSA.Still has no test TT 32 at last bloodwork 6 months after treatments. Onocologist said it is OK to have normal test levels.Never had enlarged prostrate. Most doctors are anti androgen after PCa and refuse to do TRT if needed.I have been told by a doctor online that prostrate is probably completely saturated even at low levels of testosterone and high levels would make no difference as confirmed by older men getting prostrste cancer at a time when their test levels are very low.Although androgen is not known to cause PCa it cause it to grow faster once you get it.ADT is used to slow the growth and shrink the prostrate for better treatment.Do you feel its safe to do Trt after you have been treated for PCa and your PSa is low or normal.

MRX10....great question and I just gave a talk on this in Boston on 8/13/2013. When I get to my computer I'll give you a more thorough response.

MI

[ironbeck]

In one post you say your 25, another you say your 35, and your name suggest your 29.....well which is it?

[pokermonster29]

Sorry had typo in past message.. will try to edit more in future..

I"m 35, 6 feet, 220,

[crazy mike]

I will just speak of my present situation and experience. I am older then 60 and I have had an enlarged prostrate for 5 yrs. I used to take Flomax, but I don't anymore because it just didn't help my stream. I've been back using Testosterone continuously for the past 9 months. I am on Test E 1,000mgs wk and 350-450 mgs of Test Prop.

My doctors are on top of everything. I don't seem to have a problem. My doctor knows and I'm good to go. I just recently started Cialis by my doctors prescription to help my erections. That's all. ...crazy mike

[powerliftmike]

Saw palmetto is inconclusive and many urologists believe the benefits are both overstated and false positive. I do take saw palmetto in addition to 10mg of Cialis PO QD, but the saw palmetto I use also contains zinc and it is THIS specific essential mineral that I am after in the saw palmetto-zinc combination.

That is true, some urologists recommend saw palmetto and some think it's crap. All agree, and I can personally attest, that zinc does indeed help the prostate. I prefer the ZMA product over straight zinc.

[crazy mike]

That is true, some urologists recommend saw palmetto and some think it's crap. All agree, and I can personally attest, that zinc does indeed help the prostate. I prefer the ZMA product over straight zinc.

Thanks for this info Mike and MI. Good learning for me. ...crazy mike

[powerliftmike]

u know soem woemn like bald men prob subconciously due to them having Hight T and being better in bed or soemthing..

You have some interesting conclusions. lol. While the vast majority of women prefer bald over the comb-over; I think a head of hair is preferred. Male pattern baldness is a largely genetic condition tied to skin sensitivities to DHT and the resultant immuno response.

Being good in bed could help a relationship, depending on the girl; I doubt it has much significance during the attraction phase or that your "skills" get better and better from increasing testosterone levels.

[MR10X]

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