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    Cycles without Testosterone: Why you should avoid them at all costs

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    These threads keep popping up. Oral only cycles, injectables without testosterone , etc... Like many others, I get pretty tired of explaining why testosterone should be the base of every cycle. So hopefully this article will put an end to the nonsense. Plus I can just link to this article instead of explaining it each time. The name calling will be my constantly failing attempt at humor. Don't take it personally, Dummy, cause I'm gonna have fun with this one...

    Why People Choose Orals Only

    #1 - Too Scared To Inject Myself:
    This is the main reason why folks consider oral only cycles. They're too scared to inject. Scared of a tiny little needle that wouldn't even hurt a kitty cat. Here's a fun fact: If you're not ready to inject, you're not ready to cycle. So... Locate your Gonads, man up, and inject.

    #2 - Not All Steroids Shut Me Down:
    Lol. You're killing me with this. Seriously, ever consider a career in comedy? Because you're a funny fụcker! So get on stage and let's see how many people heckle you. Steroids lead to suppression, period. Don't think that mild steroids don't suppress your HPTA. The word 'mild' is generally referring to hepatotoxicity. And yes, your super expensive and precious Anavar is suppressive, too.

    #3 - I'm Only Going To Run This One Cycle:
    Yeah, me too. I'm going to run this one cycle as well. Until the next one. Don't kid yourself, kiddo. You will not run a single cycle and stop. Furthermore; that is the silliest reason to avoid testosterone as a base. Regardless of how strong willed you are, it's not relevant.

    #4 - All Of My Friends Did it And Got Big:
    Well, no shit, Sherlock. Of course you can get big. Does that mean they're healthy? Heck no. Listen, Dummy, please don't tell me about this guy and that guy. It does not matter what they tell you. It is NOT all true. Unless you live with the guy, eat with the guy, sleep with the guy and shit with the guy... you don't know the guy! Besides, if you're shitting with the guy, you've got issues.

    #5 - I Don't Care About My HPTA:
    Cool. I don't really care about your HPTA either. Breed not you shall! I can't tell you how many times I've had ding dongs complain to me about constant issues they're having. Same guys who didn't care about anything but putting on muscle or shedding fat. Stay tuned, ding dong, you shall see how crappy your results will be.

    #6 - Bodybuilders From the 60's and 70's Did it:
    You have got to forget about the 60's. Seriously, I don't even get this argument. We know a whole lot more today, than they could possibly fathom back then. Heck, Hepcidin, the hormone that is suppressed and causes high hematocrit levels wasn't even discovered until the year 2000! So please, forget about 40+ years ago. Hey... 1970.... population: YOU! Well, you and Rich Piana. LOL. I laugh at my own jokes.

    Why You Should NEVER Cycle Without Testosterone

    Well, let's establish something real quick. Are you a man? If you answered no, you should leave this thread now. If you said yes, then I ask you another question... Do you want to function like a man on cycle? If you said no, please click here. While the rest are watching the linked video, let's continue...

    The biggest issue really, is that most people start taking steroids in order to get in shape. You guys have this completely backwards. You're supposed to get in shape first! Because if you can't get in shape naturally, steroids will do nothing for you! So buddy over here, is at 26% body fat and wants to run anavar or winny for 8 weeks and turn into Andy Dick, but with muscle. Not going to happen! Sorry, Charlie. Ain't nobody got time fer dat.

    Now. Let's say that you're still stubborn. Testosterone compliments other steroids. Literally, it says.... "Hey Winny, you lookin' mighty fine today". But seriously, your results would be far better in the presence of testosterone than your little colorful pills alone. Why waste such valuable time for crappy results when you can amplify them with testosterone?

    Furthermore, I hope you're single and hate porn. Because your little peepee is likely to be staring at the floor the entire time. All shriveled up like an old catcher's mitt. A tiny one. And probably after your cycle as well. So keep your 'head' up high, and use testosterone as your base. Be a man, function like a man, and keep that Libido strong, ya big dummy.

    Lastly, if you're so pumped up to run your oral only cycle, let me just remind you that without testosterone you'll become lethargic and weak. We already know you're weak minded, since you're too scared to inject, but now you're physically weak. Even with your pretty-little-colorful-magic pills! So there goes all your half-assed efforts down the drain. You are seriously wasting time and money. Your trainings will suffer. Your energy levels will be depleted and you'll be very disappointed in your final looks (which is pretty much going to be about the same) and all the money you spent.

    In Closing...

    You don't even need a whole lot of testosterone. You just need enough to function like a man. I'm not telling you to go out and buy 10 vials of test. Just one, one vial is all you need. You can run as little as 150mg per week to function like a man. That one 10ml vial of test enanthate (250mg/ml) will last you over 16 weeks at that dose! Holy moly, Batman!

    If you're scared of a 1 inch needle, get a half inch 27 gauge needle and inject subcutaneously. If you're running 150 mg per week, that's less than a quarter of a CC twice a week. Sheesh! How much easier do you want me to make it?? Don't make me call you a WAAAAAMBULANCE!

    Have a powerful day,

    ~ Austinite
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    I can't believe I'm the first one to comment. Austinite, you're awesome and should be awarded the gold star for your effort and research and knowledge. That's why you're my go to person! Thanks a milli...

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    Quote Originally Posted by base4291ball View Post
    I can't believe I'm the first one to comment. Austinite, you're awesome and should be awarded the gold star for your effort and research and knowledge. That's why you're my go to person! Thanks a milli...
    Well, thank you. Since you like guns... I changed the AVI
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite
    Well, thank you. Since you like guns... I changed the AVI
    Nice! That looks like a m1 grand but can't tell by the small pic on my phone. All I can see is a huge a2 front sight on it so I know it's some kind of carbine. Nice so austinite, are you a girl or a dude, I can't tell by the pic it's confusing me lol PM me or whatever....

    But back on topic after all this reading I don't see ever doing a cycle without test. I mean it only seems logical because your testosterone producers shut down when you add in other substances. Is this correct to an extent? I can't wait to start cycle 1 next Monday. HCG will be in tomorrow & cycle starts Monday @ 8am. Test 1 cycle & in every cycle, just like the article suggest!

    Another great write up 'tinite. Awesome yob! -_-

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    ^ Every steroid is suppressive.

    That's my mom in the picture, not me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite
    ^ Every steroid is suppressive.

    That's my mom in the picture, not me.
    Mom, right

    So shitty that you have to write this, but you pretty much do. I asked the same damn question like 6 years ago.

    Guys just like the idea of popping pills & not having to mess with real injectable gear.

    There's absolutely no reason to run a oral or a PH only cycle. PH is just straight crap(I'd still like to see some BW while running a PH cycle). & running oral only is like getting brand new rims without tires. It's just straight pointless.

    But, a lot if guys genuinely not know. Then when they do, they still hate the idea of having to pin their gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by < <Samson> >

    Mom, right

    So shitty that you have to write this, but you pretty much do. I asked the same damn question like 6 years ago.

    Guys just like the idea of popping pills & not having to mess with real injectable gear.

    There's absolutely no reason to run a oral or a PH only cycle. PH is just straight crap(I'd still like to see some BW while running a PH cycle). & running oral only is like getting brand new rims without tires. It's just straight pointless.

    But, a lot if guys genuinely not know. Then when they do, they still hate the idea of having to pin their gear.
    I hear where you're coming from too, because I'm a newbie. I'm not scared by the farthest means of this planet or any other I'm just unsure exact place and how deep is good enough or too deep. Just uneducated on exactly the exact way. I mean you can be told and shown 100 times but until I do it I won't be comfortable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite
    ^ Every steroid is suppressive.

    That's my mom in the picture, not me.
    No way that's your mom. That's either you, or your girlfriend or something. Obviously close to her because you have a new pic of her like every day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by base4291ball

    No way that's your mom. That's either you, or your girlfriend or something. Obviously close to her because you have a new pic of her like every day!
    Lmfao can't believe how many times this topic comes up.
    You need your own sub forum Aust

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    Even as a newbie I still couldn't understand why someone would wanna cycle without test. Before I even did any research, whenever I thought of steroids I always thought "TESTOSTERONE ". Its the big boy that everyone has known forever and loved... Why do people wanna avoid it?

    Keep up the great work though Austin. It should be mandatory to read everything you've ever posted before being allowed to make an account (Although that would take TIME, something a lot of newbs don't wanna give)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Do_I_Even
    Even as a newbie I still couldn't understand why someone would wanna cycle without test. Before I even did any research, whenever I thought of steroids I always thought "TESTOSTERONE ". Its the big boy that everyone has known forever and loved... Why do people wanna avoid it?

    Keep up the great work though Austin. It should be mandatory to read everything you've ever posted before being allowed to make an account (Although that would take TIME, something a lot of newbs don't wanna give)
    Amen!

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    back in 2006 i proposed something similar whereby test would be used at a trt dose for any cycle to counter the shutdown effects ...wasnt as well written as this but glad to see it posted in this way

    kudos to you mate.

    (nice ARs btw...)
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    ^ Dang brother. You quoted the entire OP!
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    ouch...just realized it. ill edit

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    here's a link to the post back then: http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...ml#post3432881

    post number 21

    feels weird to go back down memory lane!!! hhehehe

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    ^ lol. Good one.
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    Like always..
    Great posts for beginners and advanced users.

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    Nice read buddy!

    Hope you will save some dbol only KING-KONGS and VAR only Zyyzzs
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    ^ lmao.
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    That was friggin awesome !

    Also congrats on your 200K followers !

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    That was friggin awesome !

    Also congrats on your 200K followers !
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    Quote Originally Posted by justo

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    Damn, that's what it looks like lol

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    It's his mum. True story, ask him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krugerr

    It's his mum. True story, ask him.
    Why do Brits always spell mom like "mum"?

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    It's his mum. True story, ask him.
    Apparently it's mom, not mum. So he says. If he calls her mum she cuts his fingers with her razor sharp abs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Back In Black View Post
    Apparently it's mom, not mum. So he says. If he calls her mum she cuts his fingers with her razor sharp abs.
    Correct. Mom, not mum, or mother.

    FFS!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Back In Black

    Apparently it's mom, not mum. So he says. If he calls her mum she cuts his fingers with her razor sharp abs.
    Bloody Americans, butchering my language. It's 'English' speak the queens or pick another one!

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    Speaking of DLBs abs, I wish I'd gone to meet her at the body expo this year, wanted a damn signed photo! Oh well, too late for Olympia tickets?! She's looking shredded right now!
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    Quote Originally Posted by base4291ball

    Why do Brits always spell mom like "mum"?
    Because that's how we say it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite
    Correct. Mom, not mum, or mother.

    FFS!
    Definitely not mother, mine would give me a clip if I called her that to her face lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Back In Black

    Definitely not mother, mine would give me a clip if I called her that to her face lol
    I always call mine 'mother' - not because I'm a rich boy, it just winds her up!

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    I was being presumptive & probably wrong - Sorry

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    If he's not DLB, I wonder who he is lol

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    Finally, I found the name of that girl :d
    Austinite, is she your girlfriend or wife?

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    She's my mom. Let's stay on topic...
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    Quote Originally Posted by < <Samson> >

    Mom, right

    So shitty that you have to write this, but you pretty much do. I asked the same damn question like 6 years ago.

    Guys just like the idea of popping pills & not having to mess with real injectable gear.

    There's absolutely no reason to run a oral or a PH only cycle. PH is just straight crap(I'd still like to see some BW while running a PH cycle). & running oral only is like getting brand new rims without tires. It's just straight pointless.

    But, a lot if guys genuinely not know. Then when they do, they still hate the idea of having to pin their gear.
    Agree 100%, to bad 75% ppl won't take the time to read it before they post, anavar only cycle. Lool

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    Lol what an awesome FUNNY article. Always a pleasure, always
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    Good work Austin,

    As I started training during 1980 ans a couple of my mates were using I can remember the fear they had back then. These guys, one Mr Universe and one Mr Australia are still healthy and well and older than me. They used for short cycles, but had almost no knowledge. It was the fears that they expressed to me that stopped me using for a long time.
    Its a great shame that today it seems young people just see steroids as a magic potion. I have even had a young man tell me he was going to use, not train and stop when his muscles had all grown big! He found it hard to understand that it just doesn't work that way.

    Please keep up the good work. I appreciate your efforts. Kindest regards, John

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    ^ Appreciate the support, as always, John!
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    Not your usual style of typing lol.
    Love to read every single article that you post brother.
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